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Posted: 15 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

{ My dear Jay , thats what she expected from Shravani when Shravni was yelling and yelling that go away from our lives ........she expected Shravni to tolerate it and LIKE HER .}
Archu looked unconvinced . { She WONT break with Manav } Sulo heard her DEVI DAUGHTER"S KARTOOTS WITH A CHUBBY THUDDING HEART . NO CONTROL OVER DEVI DAUGHTER .
My comments : Jay was PERFECTLY right and so was his mom . Its Archu who is totally WRONG . What the hell u mean he is ur DOST ? R u still harping on ur stupid PAVITRA RISHTA ? Then why r u marrying ? Go , be his MISTRESS ! When Shravni said these same things , people HATED her coz they felt Shravni was in no position to demand even the most normal of emotions .....like wanting her fiancee all to herself , that his EX shud be out of the picture .Today Jay is saying SAME thing . This is what i ALWAYS said .........that No hubby or wife will LIKE THE EX HOVERING IN THEIR LIFE AS ARCHU MANAV R DOING .To become EX instead of HUBBY WIFE VIA DIVORCE was THEIR DECISION .So why not HONOR IT ?Neitherdid they honor their MARRAIGE , NOR THE DIVORCE , nor THEIR PLEDGES TO NEW LIFE PARTNERS . Their rishta is not PAVITRA , its SICK .

While I and almost everyone agree 100% that Archana and Manav should stay away from each other after divorce but when you draw comparison between Jaywant and Shravani saying that Shravani was equally right in her expectations, there are some subtle differences between the two and their approach in this matter.
Jay took matters to his fiancee, he didn't go to Manav to tell him to stay away from Archana, neither did he display any jealousy towards Manav. Jay spoke to Archana in such a dignified manner without a hint of accusation in his tone. On the other hand Shravani seldom confronted Manav but she called Archana 'the other woman' and not so nice denominations and that too when Archana was the legal wife and not even an 'Ex'.
Jaywant knows Archana and Manav's relationship and reason for their separation and he respects their feeling, even though their sacrifice has nothing to do with him and that's why he spoke so judicously. Shravani also knows everything and she herself is part of the reason why Archana and Manav had to separate, yet she has no compassion for Archana whatsoever( and no gratitude for ArMan sacrifice). Why should Shravani ignore what Archana and Manav have done for her/Sachu and only focus on being Manav's fiancee and being possessive about Manav?
After divorce Shravani was right in not wanting Archana and Manav to work togather but she was wrong in going to Archana and asking her to sacrifice her job to fulfill her wish.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I m glad Tanya u got ur money back. It is a lottt of money. Once we were charged for some transactions in Quebec. We told the bank we never went to Quebec! We got our money back. Its really important to keep track of ur accounts and cards. My dad is usually in Pakistan so I take care of everything here and I make sure I m not paying a dollar extra or a dollar is missing from our account. Learned everything from dad😊 I m really liking the new chip credit cards. I think they r more secure.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Arien_03

While I and almost everyone agree 100% that Archana and Manav should stay away from each other after divorce but when you draw comparison between Jaywant and Shravani saying that Shravani was equally right in her expectations, there are some subtle differences between the two and their approach in this matter.
Jay took matters to his fiancee, he didn't go to Manav to tell him to stay away from Archana, neither did he display any jealousy towards Manav. Jay spoke to Archana in such a dignified manner without a hint of accusation in his tone. On the other hand Shravani seldom confronted Manav but she called Archana 'the other woman' and not so nice denominations and that too when Archana was the legal wife and not even an 'Ex'. Let us see how long this continues .It wont be long before he talks to Manav , and very sharply too . No one can tolerate the type of nonsense that aRMAN try to sell under the name of Pavitra Rishta . As far as Shravni goes , she lived in the same house and saw the Raas Leela daily under her nose when both were promising something ELSE . And thats precisely my point , why the hell promise if u can't deliver and r soooo much in love ?Raas Leela continues even after divorce btw . And ur so right Archna was the 'legal wife' .........never a real one , Manav NEVER gave her the status , EVER after she came back and told her , ur the legal wife on paper only . I am marrying Shravni .
Jaywant knows Archana and Manav's relationship and reason for their separation and he respects their feeling, even though their sacrifice has nothing to do with him and that's why he spoke so judicously. Shravani also knows everything and she herself is part of the reason why Archana and Manav had to separate, yet she has no compassion for Archana whatsoever( and no gratitude for ArMan sacrifice). Why should Shravani ignore what Archana and Manav have done for her/Sachu and only focus on being Manav's fiancee and being possessive about Manav? Why should she be GRATEFUL FOR ETERNITY and worship Archanas feet as the DIVINE EX Forever either ? Coz this Manav Archu jodi seemed to expect just that ! That fling a marraige on her face and expect her to UNDERSTAND THEIR PAVITRA LOVE .......to allow Archna to waltz in and out whenever she pleased and to LOVE IT ! That she lOST the right to be possesive about Manav or feel jealous coz his ex wife Archu was a dEvi and she herself was entering a compro marraige is beyond me Arien . Feelings r feelings they dont go away just like that .Armans FEELINGS r still there , post divorce , why wud Shravnis go just coz she became unwed mom or coz she entered a compro marraige ?
After divorce Shravani was right in not wanting Archana and Manav to work togather but she was wrong in going to Archana and asking her to sacrifice her job to fulfill her wish.Yes and Archna rightly refuted her there . Supported her there . Wont be long before Jay tells something similiar to Manav too , ARMAN push people to these extremes by acting totally unreasonable . Like today Archna said Manav is My DOST . Which fiancee will like this answer ? Jay will see to it that Manav gets kicked out , women like Shravni throw emotional tantrums which r far less hurtfull , when it goes to the level of men , they r far more ruthless when jealous .

Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool, seeing the trend of the discussion on the labour problem, I understand one thing. Most of you are settled in the US and are unable to appreciate/empathise with the difficult conditions in India. India is very different from the US. It is a desperately poor country where there are no social security systems in place. This is so even for organised labour which is less than 10 per cent of the total workforce. The other 90 per cent work as casual labour who have no rights whatever. India is transiting from a socialist system which permitted strong unions to a form of robber-baron capitalist system where the poor are very badly shortchanged. The State has still to put in place regulators. For a lot of people like Manav, there is neither the protection offered by unions nor any kind of state protection.
Industrialisation is not a simple process where at the snap of a finger you acquire land and build factories for a wonderful future. Today there are massive -- really massive -- battles going on between the corporate sector which wants more and more land for industry and millions of poor people who are loath to give up the only thing they have as security. Even the most vociferous advocates of rapid industrialisation -- I was one until recently -- are now beginning to understand that there are no easy short cuts to solving problems relating to tribals, land, and workers' rights. During recession people went bankrupt even in the US where nobody dies of starvation and where there is a safety net for retrenched folks.
Manav's family ( or any family like his) lives on rent in a chawl, has hardly any bank balance, and constantly fights to keep body and soul together. When a member of such a family falls ill, there is no insurance cover. I cannot even begin to imagine the miseries that will land on such a worker when he loses his job. I am amazed at the argument that Manav should have good-naturedly accepted the shock of his dismissal. People on the forum are angry with him for losing his temper with Archana. But is that not a human thing to do? I just cannot get over the fact that school pass/fail archana is no 3 in Dharmesh's company but Manav can be dismissed without so much as a by-your-leave. D may have a right to downsize but surely manav and co have an equal right to go to court and argue that the dismissals were arbitrary? I also fail to understand the point about asking for compensation. Assume for a moment that the injured man is in a coma, and his family is illiterate. Will Dharmesh say he was not asked for compensation so he does not see any reason to give it?
I am not trying to say that workers are always right and management always wrong. Not at all. I am only trying to point out the complexities involved in livelihood issues.
The first time Manav got into a brawl with Prakash he was given a warning. Fair enough. But the next time, it was not his fault at all. It was Prakash who nearly killed him. Yet when Manav went back, D sacked him on the spot. Manav begged for a week's time but his employer was abominably rude.
He relented after an idiotic tour of Mumbai's chawls conducted by archana. What absolute nonsense.
And D has made a habit of not consulting his partner. How do you all accept this? If he was a such a good businessman -- which seems to be the consensus here -- he would not constantly bypass his partner. If he must have his way all the time, he should simply break his partnership with Satish. I hope he does that
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Vidhyasu ur post👍🏼
u r entry in forum😎
If u don join us more often on relevant issues(n it is a learnin for some of us)😔
r u a boy or a gal😕sorry stupid q pls,no gender bias from me when readin posts,wunderin whether women have less exposure to such social conditions bcoz we deal with it less?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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saffy i am a female like most you. I came in only because the soap brought up social, livelihood issues, and I was dismayed by the majority reaction to these issues.I seen an ideological gulf between people like me and the younger lot who have obviously grown up without seeing hardships. I guess that is natural. Sass-Bahu stuff does not interest me. And yes, why are females portrayed as either totally dumb or totally wicked on most soaps? Why can't we have an intelligent female lead who is sensitive and yet thinks clearly and is able to formulate mutually acceptable solutions? I have not heard one intelliegent syllable from archana whose idea of work is merely to hold a folder.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Dharmu goggled . He looked like a batatawada who has been slightly over fried . What satyanaash has happened of my business , he wondered as he stared helplessly at this English speaking Smarty Pants woman . It was running so smoothly , truly . Now suddenly , any decisions he took had mommies of the workers barging in and holding his collar , and he was held accountable for EVERYTHING . Manavs mommy , now Ajit's Mommy . Most troublesome duo , this Manav Ajit pair , he thought uneasily .THEY MUST GO . Then these mommies wont bother me . But How yaar , he wondered .HOW . Dharmu vowed that the next batch of workers he employed wud be ORPHANS . That wud be a NECESSARY CLAUSE in the hiring process . NO MOMMIES . NO NO NO NO .
My comment : Dharmu shud go and get HIS MOMMY . 😆😆😆😆😆😆
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gr8 commentry di...
completely agree that arman must stay away frm eachother now,...
expectation frm their wuld b is normal.... if they can't forget eachother or cant stay away frm eachother then wy divorce?...
shravni toh chali gayi thi na?...
i don't get wy they r betraying jay n shravni....
till they don't completely 4get each other its a betrayel to their partners...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: vidyasu1

saffy i am a female like most you. I came in only because the soap brought up social, livelihood issues, and I was dismayed by the majority reaction to these issues.I seen an ideological gulf between people like me and the younger lot who have obviously grown up without seeing hardships. I guess that is natural. Sass-Bahu stuff does not interest me. And yes, why are females portrayed as either totally dumb or totally wicked on most soaps? Why can't we have an intelligent female lead who is sensitive and yet thinks clearly and is able to formulate mutually acceptable solutions? I have not heard one intelliegent syllable from archana whose idea of work is merely to hold a folder.

Totally agree with u Vidya.That is why I did not vote nor make any comments on the union thing - For all of us who r working as skilled personnel,we know v little abt the humdrums of unskkilled labor force,there is no moral right and wrong that can be strictly applied on the poor,I mean we sympathise with homeless kids who r hungy and grab a bun from the roadside foodstall in movies,but fail to understand the overall perspective of poverty on families like Manav's.But still,Dharmesh has the right to retrench if he needs it to save his buusiness.
U r bang on the Archu wrkin thing - I gave no bhav to Dharmesh' s character jus for that 1 stupid apptment he made - I mean,if she was reporting to Jay,wud still make some sense even in terms of family favoritism,bein his superior is just nonsense.But there is no comparison of Manav and Archu's job profiles,he is considered under manual labor and she is techno-mgt(😆) I think
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