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Posted: 15 years ago
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sherma,so we all love sushant,wat we shud do?go get him @ANY COST😆😆sorry,no offense,but shravni knows shez not loved back,no love promised,somebody is losin his love and sleep and peace-she askin for greater balidaan from Manav in the name of her love using baby card,promise/zim card- BIG TIME oxymoron-ing
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Posted: 15 years ago
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even i really luv sushant a lot, must b tats y i dnt lik ankita. i am kind of j wid her. NOW cumin bck to d show, y shld shravani bck out she luvs manav. y cant manav say tat he cant get married to her causes he luvs archana. shravani is dng dis causes she luvs manav, y r armaan dng dis. y is archana getting married to jai,to spoil his life also in name of sacrifice.ANYWAY NOW its too late for them to even speak abt them getting bck together, shravani is almost livin in wid manav, the first post leap episode i saw i thought they were married. I Had always had a opinion tat armaan r themselves responsible for their seperation, they had chances to get together but they dint. from past 2 yrs shravani is living wid a dream to get married to manav and armaan accepted their fate.BELIEVE ME wen dreams break it hurts a lot.Y SHLDNT SHE ShoW TANTRUM wen manav tells her to leave now,they hav wasted her 2 yrs convincing tat he wil get married to her.she wasnt d 1 to propose manav for marriage,nor was she emotionally blackmaild him to get marry to her. it was his decision and archana followed him. i am not saying shravani is totally right but armaan r totally wrong.they hav always made wrong decision and consequences every1 had to suffer.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Sherma Ji -yes,ArMan gotto suffer for throwing away their marriage,all agreed.They don know a thing abt togetherness
But this thread is about shravni,and so I beat her up happily😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Actually u r rite. i am so very angry on armaan these days,just want reason to bash them. BUT I STILL FEEL SHRAVANI IS NOT WRONG. U ENJOY UR BASHING,BUT JUST FIND IT RUDE WEN PEOPLE Make her hate club, or call her choodail or sumting lik dis. u enjoy.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: SaffyFlower

I disagree again DI😆ok,no mahabharat😆I was just trying to point out how important
ones intentions are.
We are discussing why shravni is a hated character.
ArMan are NOT exonerated - yes,Manav shud back out his promise,its intentions and consequences are not morally correct.He chooses to be a Yudhistr,wrong role model-ing😆gud lookin guy do 'other' modellin pls,no more vests😆
Archu shud not feel duty bound to Manav anymore.Again wrong role model-ing,sati savitri sans sindoor😆overzealous overboard-ing 😡
And yes,it IS Shravni's fault.😆
1) When she was about to fall off the steps after screaming at Archu and Girish catches her,he tells her,'why r u here,let us leave'. She tells him 'No,I cannot leave,if I leave now Archu will win Manav' => Pure dirt this stand of hers,ArMan were not even divorced then.She cud have left Manav right then,her father was supporting her,there was no abortion option anymore either.But her ego trip had already started.But she alone gets credit for being insecure,she is innocent young gal,blah,blah.Her dad was advising her well,but nope,she already on Manav dope -
Archu is far far more innocent than this one is,Archu has never done anything other than wat family and Manav tell her to do
2) When she ran away she wrote she did not want to separate ArMan,but came back knowing that she is gonna do exactly that -where is she a person of word then? At least ArMan are trying to be people of their word,just trying=>verdict ->Her fault ALSO.When can she stop pretending to be the victim?
So if ArMan tell her to abort the child in that station or donate to an orphanage,she wud listen to them or wat?Why did she have to listen to them when it is convenient for her?Why not listen to her father,he was ok with ArMan getting together.
She aint a weak character like Archu either,she speaks her mind and does exactly wat she wants-
SO her staying around the Ds for soo long,is BECAUSE she wants Manav @ any cost-BAAD INTENTION,period.😆
Even if he tells her to leave,she will throw a major tantrum.She aint goin anywhere herself,believe me,she just aint that type😆😆

Bad intention ? Pure dirt ? May I know WHY ? Coz she fell in love with Manav and refused to let him go ? I am not even gonna ask here wHETHER MANAV EVEN WANTED TO GO , the way u guys r going on as if he was straining at the leash or something and wanted badddddly to go to Archu [ which is a laugh ] .................when he stood FIRM AS A ROCK TO HOLD THIS GIRL WITHIN HIS FAMILY FOR HIS BROTHERS CHILD .
So her falling in love and holding on is BAD INTENTION AND PURE DIRT while ARchu's obsession for him is DIVINE INTENTION and PURE LOVE i suppose ? Says who ?😆😆😆 Who says the monopoly of obssesive love lies only with Archu and that others cant have it too ? Who says that the extent of obsession for one who is walking out and doing almost prostitution on the lovers demand is perfectly ok but holding on tight to him and accepting crappy treatment from him at home by never letting him go is PURE DIRT ?If that is HUMAN why isnt this HUMAN too ?
I dont understand this ! He treats Both women like crap , and both women take it and r still hanging on to him and one woman is singled out and called as evil as Duryodhan bcoz it seems she is in it while Manav doesnt love her back ? Btw do u really think Manav loves Archu back ? Just as he doesnt love Shravni he doesnt love Archu either . U need any more proofs ?
The only difference between these two women is Manav supposedly loves Archu back and doesnt love Shravni back so Archus hanging on like a leech from afar is tolerable but Shravnis isnt inspite of the promises Manav made to her once upon a time .It seems she shud NOT as a human have hope that ok rite now he still hasnt gotten over his EX but one day I might change him with my love . Oh boy no , she is a evil witch , a party pooper .
Which party did she poop ? Ohhhh ARMANs party , Shravni broke up ARMANS marraige ! Did that marraige even EXIST ? This may come as a shocker to u guys but there was NO MARRAIGE ! Filling sindoor and being married on paper aint marraige , one needs to be together , have sex , have feelings interwined in that sex , procreate , LIVE together ! Within fifteen non consummated days she was OUT of that house , and the next was the court order stay of 3 months when hhubby told her ur now wifey only on PAPER , there is NO MARRAIGE LEFT ! Did They have what Ajit Vandu had or Satish Varsha had or Manju Vinod had or Vaishu Dharmu r having ? And suddenly in those 3 months this Girl Archu started acting as if she was married to him for 50 years at least ............how did so much love come after just 15 days of simple observation of a man likeone does hesitatingly on an unsure date and after hearing just one Tape ?So that tape exonerated HIM ............hOW DID IT BRING FORTH SO MUCH LOVE ?
What Archu is in lOVE with , repressed female that she is , is with the IDEA OF MARRAIGE , more than MANAV . Thats why the talk in the train to the stranger woman about my SUSRAAL , MY BACHA , MY PATI < MY GHAR .
All the rest of the imperfect characters had marraiges .When ARMAN never even had one , which marraige did Shravni break up ?
And Manav was running after Archu is it , trying to bring her back ?When ?I didnt see it ? But yes I defo saw him REQUESTING shravni Not to go . Many Many Times .And if that girl takes that as a positive sign and feels encouraged she is EVIL but inspite of ZILCH encouragement when Archu hangs on its DIVINE ? Hell , he asked her to MARRY ANOTHER MAN , how much more clearer can a man get ?YETTTT she she hanging on !
As i see the show without the Chashma of romanticism , or Archu Bhakti or Manav Bhakti or ARMAN Bhakti , but simply as a story , i see it as two women crazily obsessed by a man who is not worth it , and who is very practical , egostic . and interested only in doing his duty by his mom . The first gal [ The brief Wife] is so crazy abt him that she stands far away from his family , his life at his bidding and is hanging around pathetically from there , the second , foolish enough to believe his initial maskabaazi of always making HER his priority is still hanging around INSIDE his house although he still hasnt married her , aT HIS BIDDING . Theres no difference and I dont see any reason why only the Brief Wife shud be regarded as a victim and the second one shudnt .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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😆I think the topic of the thread is askin shravni's character to be dissected -if we want to beat up Archu and Manav,so be it but the topic was not so

And if it is still necessary to compare Archu and Shravni,ok -
ARchu's psyche comes from a v v traditional Hindu concept of 1 husband for 7 lives and to heaven.Hinduism in itself does NOT have the concept of divorce.Archu subscribes to this hindu concept due to her upbringing.Even bfore SHravni's arrival Archu was clear that she wanted to stay away from MAnav bcoz he did not trust her suspecting her with Satish,but there was no way she wud accept anybody else as a husband.She told Manav that clearly -'meree chitha hi mujhey aapse alag kar sakthee hai'.Period.Till date Archu has stuck to this principle of hers,she is consistent on this one.
The divorce was only on paper bcoz her hubby wanted out,she made no bones about it -from chawl cats to shravni,everybody knew her stand on her marriage.
Manav and Archu consider that they still have wat Manav himself termed as bina bole bina suney mann hi mann nibhaya jaata rishta,since during the first separation itself.This is a traditional approach,many bollywood movies have shown where the first wife has to actually die for rishta to be khatam.This psyche is still a deep rooted one in the society,probably not among urbanites,that is all.
That is why Manav's murkiness is of no effect to Archu,he may as well be stone,she wud still consider herself married to him.
I am not saying this level of pativrata is right at all-Divorce is a great practical concept.But she is consistent in her approach
Shravni on the other hand is being the oxymoron.She is NOT consistent in her approach to marriage.
She has no problems about pre-marital sex,thatz ok,modern times.She had no problems declaring love to a man right in front of his loving wife-how about calling that cruel,ok,maybe thatz modern.How about waiting until the divorce is over and accept him legally as husband,talk about love,expectations then-correctly modern.On one hand,she has no problems declaring love to a still married man in front of his still married wife,and then having a live in relationship for a year,and on the other see herself as a sati savitri even bfore marriage?That is big time Oxymoron-ism.
There is a lack of consistency in her behavior here.If she was sooo traditional minded,she wud'nt declare love for him when she is not his wife and he is not yet parted from wife Archu,and nor live in.
If she was modern she wud'nt call him pati even bfore marriage.If she had done this mere pati,moving in stuff after having at least legalized her marriage with Manav even only on paper ,she wud be consistent-normal wifey.
Her love is not equated to Archu's becoz Archu loves Manav only and only bcoz they had the saat pheres,legalised in front of God,ArMan's POV.So she sees it as pure and legal.
Wat is Shravni's love-traditional or modern?yes,its unrequited(not wrong) but as it does not have legality,it does not stand to be ELEVATED until she is married or until Manav does stop considering Archu his wife,declare love for her etc.
Bashing ArMan for their current behavior is acceptable and blaming them for their own woes is correct but declaring Shravni as innocent is injustice as well here.
Manav gave her a promise under duress,why does she insist that he follow it up on the pretext of her love for him?She is playing the promise card but calling it her love,that is wat I dislike.Be consistent-
either say yes,he promised he better keep it,watever be the cost for Manav
Or say,I love him so there will be no unfair preassure on him
On one hand she is demanding rights from Manav in the name of her love and in another she is taking away his love from him,the love for archu he has declared openly,by holding the promise over his head-
clearly she is doin no justice to Manav,just as he is doin no justice to her-they r even
This is wat makes her ALSO a fraud
And I am not disputing ArMan are also fraud-ing,ur gettin me wrong here time and again.
I have said this bfore,just bcoz ArMan make a mistake,it does not make others mistakes disappear-to each their own,and they all shud pay for it at the level in which they put themselves knee deep.
So her falling in love and holding on is BAD INTENTION AND PURE DIRT while ARchu's obsession for him is DIVINE INTENTION and PURE LOVE i suppose ? Says who
Falling in love is not inappropriate,but with whom and when is the factor for consideration-there is a time for everything and everything has its time
And I will really like to know how many girls r considered to be proprietary and nicely human when they wud declare in front of a man's wife that she loves the wife's husand,also well knowing that he loves her too and considers her his wife- if a man does this,he wud be considered a lecher.
if this is so,then watz wrong in ArMan flirting after being engaged,after all they r in LOVE,let them do adultery if not physically,do it emotionally after marriage,watz wrong,after all they r in LOVE.Doesnt that sound HUMAN? Why bash them?
They never said they r not in love.Archu said it clearly to Jay 2 times and MAanv to Shravni umpteen times.
no matter u might consider Archu's marriage a non-marriage,due to non-cosummation but until divorce,it IS a marriage.And the seal on it is that ArMan consider it soo as well-for them non-cosummation did not matter-the mann hi mann is marriage for them,becoz it has been sealed by the saat pheres already
There are many overseas marriages where the husband does Nikah on phone and wife does not join him for a long while due to visa and things like that.Wat does that mean?He can love,she can love,anybody can love them and declare it and say,hey,they don have a marriage?
Edited by SaffyFlower - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Excuse me for butting in .....

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Bad intention ? Pure dirt ? May I know WHY ? Coz she fell in love with Manav and refused to let him go ? Shravani fell in love with Manav when Manav was still someone's husband. No matter what she was promised and what were the circumstances, the knowledge that Manav's wife wanted to save her marriage and still loved him should have been enough reason for Shravani to relieve Manav of his promise. Even if she wanted to hang on to Manav's promise for sake of her child, how could she bring herself to fall in love with a man who was not even divorced from his wife and whose wife was still in the house and with the knowledge that they still love each other and that the misunderstanding that separated them was cleared. OK Savita did instigate her to fight for Manav but can anyone fall in love just coz someone is instigating her to do? I am not even gonna ask here wHETHER MANAV EVEN WANTED TO GO , the way u guys r going on as if he was straining at the leash or something and wanted badddddly to go to Archu [ which is a laugh ] .................when he stood FIRM AS A ROCK TO HOLD THIS GIRL WITHIN HIS FAMILY FOR HIS BROTHERS CHILD .
So her falling in love and holding on is BAD INTENTION AND PURE DIRT while ARchu's obsession for him is DIVINE INTENTION and PURE LOVE i suppose ? Says who ?😆😆😆 Who says the monopoly of obssesive love lies only with Archu and that others cant have it too ? Others can have it too but only on first cum first basis, Archana was first to come in Manav's life and was legally his wife so she has right to be in love and even more reason to love Manav is that Manav loves her too Who says that the extent of obsession for one who is walking out and doing almost prostitution on the lovers demand is perfectly ok but holding on tight to him and accepting crappy treatment from him at home by never letting him go is PURE DIRT ?If that is HUMAN why isnt this HUMAN too ?
I dont understand this ! He treats Both women like crap , and both women take it and r still hanging on to him and one woman is singled out and called as evil as Duryodhan bcoz it seems she is in it while Manav doesnt love her back ? Btw do u really think Manav loves Archu back ? Just as he doesnt love Shravni he doesnt love Archu either . U need any more proofs ?
The only difference between these two women is Manav supposedly loves Archu back and doesnt love Shravni back so Archus hanging on like a leech from afar is tolerable but Shravnis isnt inspite of the promises Manav made to her once upon a time .Actually Shravani is hanging on like 'Leech' just coz of promise Manav gave once upon a time, inspite of declaration of Manav that he'll always love Archana and blatantly telling her that she is only his responsibilty, inspite of treachery that Deshmukhs meted out to her just before ArMan divorce, inspite of seeing Manav sticking to Archana in rain even after 1.5 yr of their living togather, inspite of seeing how passionate Manav is about Archana even after divorce that he is ready to beat a man to death and has no regrets for it or for losing his job It seems she shud NOT as a human have hope that ok rite now he still hasnt gotten over his EX but one day I might change him with my love . Oh boy no , she is a evil witch , a party pooper. I am curious to know why is Shravani's shortcomings always termed as 'human' at the same time Archana's shortcoming is termed as 'hypocrisy, Leech etc etc ' anything but 'human'???
Which party did she poop ? Ohhhh ARMANs party , Shravni broke up ARMANS marraige ! Did that marraige even EXIST ? This may come as a shocker to u guys but there was NO MARRAIGE ! Filling sindoor and being married on paper aint marraige , one needs to be together , have sex , have feelings interwined in that sex , procreate , LIVE together ! Within fifteen non consummated days she was OUT of that house , and the next was the court order stay of 3 months when hhubby told her ur now wifey only on PAPER , there is NO MARRAIGE LEFT ! Did They have what Ajit Vandu had or Satish Varsha had or Manju Vinod had or Vaishu Dharmu r having ? And suddenly in those 3 months this Girl Archu started acting as if she was married to him for 50 years at least ............how did so much love come after just 15 days of simple observation of a man likeone does hesitatingly on an unsure date and after hearing just one Tape ?So that tape exonerated HIM ............hOW DID IT BRING FORTH SO MUCH LOVE ?
A more worthwhile question to wonder would be how did Shravani came to love her dead fiance's(whom she loved dearly and was pregnant with his child) elder brother who was still married and still loved his wife, at least ArMan were married and each others first love. Their marriage is non consummated so their marraige is not a marriage , so the rituals, mangalsutra, vedic mantras and pheras means nothing in a marriage, why ? just so that Shravani can be pardoned for breaking this non-existent marriage?
And Manav was running after Archu is it , trying to bring her back ?When ?I didnt see it ? He went to Archana's house next day after Satyanarayan pooja, after being slapped and humiliated by Sulochana, he tried to convnice her during Garbha when he burnt his hand, he went after her in train, he tried to return her mangalsutra and had so much faith that Archana could not file for divorce....... But yes I defo saw him REQUESTING shravni Not to go . Many Many Times .Really when? He stopped Shravani from aborting her pregnancy and he said whatever he had to say to save the delicate situation ,then he brought her back when she ran away from house on her wedding day, on Archana's insistance and that too didn't look like he was pleading at all and he didn't ask her to stay back when Shravani threatened to leave with Sachu, he just tried to give justification, it was actually Archana who did the talkingAnd if that girl takes that as a positive sign and feels encouraged she is EVILwhy does she only selectively takes so called 'positive sign' and ignores the facts like Manav's confession to Tarun that she heard, Manav's cold behaviour to her, Manav's declarations of his love to Archana and so on but inspite of ZILCH encouragement I saw plenty of reasons of encouragement when Manav went out of way to help Karanjkars in Vaishu's wedding, when Manav beat hell out of a co-worker for Archana, in all the dialogues ' mein bahut khushnaseeb hoon ki yeh pyaar ka ehsaas mere paas hai etc etc' when Archu hangs on its DIVINE ? Hell , he asked her to MARRY ANOTHER MAN , how much more clearer can a man get ?Archana is well aware that Manav doesn't want her to get married to another man and she is aware that Sulochana went to Manav so that he can convince Archana. If Manav is asking her to move on its coz he wants better future and security in life for Archana YETTTT she she hanging on !

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: sherma

Actually u r rite. i am so very angry on armaan these days,just want reason to bash them. BUT I STILL FEEL SHRAVANI IS NOT WRONG. U ENJOY UR BASHING,BUT JUST FIND IT RUDE WEN PEOPLE Make her hate club, or call her choodail or sumting lik dis. u enjoy.

Hi Sherma,I have elaborated on why she is hated.
Please feel free to debate on my points,no offense.
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Saffy brilliant analysis of Shravani. 👏👏👏 It was very enlightening. Only this afternoon I mentioned that it was hard for me to evaluate her as she never confronted Manav about anything. She always trusted him😡 but not Archana.
She is too modern for my liking and I totally disapprove her "come hell or high water" attitude of fighting for a man. Just too despicable.
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I know Karen -wat does she mean by-I trust him,I respect him-
and then telling Archu -Manav is with u,its ur fault
What is this trust then if she is sure he is with her?wat respect if she is sure he is with her?She is beating up Archu behind his back,thatz all
I get supremely bugged Karen when women blame women -believe me,in the muslim community here,even in NA,bigamy is happening -and men r rarely blamed,the second wife blames the first,the first blames the second -they both do not blame the guy at all and actually hold him in esteem !
here Archu being the first does not blame shravni nor manav as she does not want the legal marriage part
but shravni does not blame manav at all -I mean,ArMan's relationship is 2 sides of the same coin-
how come she does not blame manav,holds him in esteem then and blame archu?
she is simply playing out with the weaker of the 2,thatz all - I find no strength of character,no honesty of heart,no meaningful courage nor any nobility in her at all.And this is not even out of comparing with Archu,am sayin it in an absolute stand alone sense
Her character lacks a foundation itself,that is the fundamental flaw in it
And there is nothing aam ladki abt her @all,one whole group of aam ladkis have a hate club for her actually-not really hatred per sey,but a disapproval with her mean-spiritedness
And her age is not sufficient enuf a reason to discount soo much of flaws in her character - circumstance elicits and makes a person mature,courageous,noble etc.,age as a factor is not everything
I sympathize with her situation as she is a woman,thatz all-but do not absolve her of any flaws.
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