How has Shravani tried to win over Manav? - Page 2

I agree with u that ALL 3 have egoes .I totally agree with u on that .

But since u questioned judgement by saying what kind of judgement is THAT , I ask u this .................so all rich girls behave like Shravni ? They adapt so easily to living in a chawl , travelling in trains , within meagre incomes when their pocket money is higher perhaps than fiancees monthly income ? I am not saying ALL RICH GALS R SPOILT so dont misunderstand . All I am saying is out of 100 rich gals , 10 will have this adjusting capacity .............PREGNANT BEFORE MARRAIGE OR NOT .

A pregnancy does NOT take away life long habits . Who says so ? Everything was in her hands , the TRUMP CARD was always in her hand . The Baby .Right at the outset she could have made this full family move with her in bigger flat , not given up her style of living and have EVERYTHING on her terms and conditions . Yet we see her REALLY using this trump card with FORCE only once ....the day she threatened to walk out with her baby after catching ARMAN in the rain . Yes I know , many feel she uses baby ALL the time , sorry I dont agree . I saw her really really using the baby once only . And boy was she justified like hell then . My point is .............saying that she is adjusting not coz she is great but coz its her need is BULL . She is doing it coz in her own way she loves Manav ........she cud have Manav and Savita at her feet if she REALLY WITHOLDS THE BABY FROM THEM PLUS HER RICH LIFESTYLE . Belittling her good points and saying oh she does it coz she is needy or coz she chose to marry Sachin is not at all fair , sorry . Sachin was going to states , and her lifestyle wasnt gonna change . And even if Sachin had been alive he was NO MANAV . He wud have GRABBED the OCEAN VIEW FLAT and moved there , totally agreeing with SAvita . Sachin and SAvita always liked her richness , remember that .

Regarding WHY DOES SHE WANT TO MARRY SOMEONE WHO SHE KNOWS DOESNT LOVE HER ..................agreed its stupid , but then same question applies to the GREAT ARMAN too , WHY R THEY MARRYING SPOUSES WHOM THEY DONT LOVE WITH SUCH OBSTINACY ? But they are regarded as doing a human mistake , so why not she ?

I dont question judgements normally but since this question was asked of me , I ask that inspite of noticing so many facts about her , dismissing all her adjustments and generosity as something all rich people normally do , nothing great in that , what kind of judgement is THIS ? A bias ? Or being purposefully myopic while judging her character coz ARMAN need to be glorified whatever BS they do ? And this question isnt directed personally at u .Its for ALL who hated her enough to start a hate club .

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I agree with u that ALL 3 have egoes .I totally agree with u on that .

But since u questioned judgement by saying what kind of judgement is THAT , I ask u this .................so all rich girls behave like Shravni ? They adapt so easily to living in a chawl , travelling in trains , within meagre incomes when their pocket money is higher perhaps than fiancees monthly income ? I am not saying ALL RICH GALS R SPOILT so dont misunderstand . All I am saying is out of 100 rich gals , 10 will have this adjusting capacity .............PREGNANT BEFORE MARRAIGE OR NOT ........Archu was also from a higher middle class then Manav. Yet she adapted just as much. As for rich girls not being able to adapt, well that goes for any girl rich or poor. When u go to a new home, nothing is like your maternal home, comprimise is a women's second name. So I am sorry but i can't commend Shravni on that. She knew how the family was even before all this happened, she fell in love with Sachin so she knew she would have to move into a chawl and live a different life. So her adjusting capacity was acquired a while back its nothing new. She had made her mind up on that a long time ago.

A pregnancy does NOT take away life long habits . Who says so ? Everything was in her hands , the TRUMP CARD was always in her hand . The Baby .Right at the outset she could have made this full family move with her in bigger flat , not given up her style of living and have EVERYTHING on her terms and conditions . Yet we see her REALLY using this trump card with FORCE only once ....the day she threatened to walk out with her baby after catching ARMAN in the rain . Yes I know , many feel she uses baby ALL the time , sorry I dont agree . I saw her really really using the baby once only . And boy was she justified like hell then . My point is .............saying that she is adjusting not coz she is great but coz its her need is BULL . She is doing it coz in her own way she loves Manav ........she cud have Manav and Savita at her feet if she REALLY WITHOLDS THE BABY FROM THEM PLUS HER RICH LIFESTYLE . Belittling her good points and saying oh she does it coz she is needy or coz she chose to marry Sachin is not at all fair , sorry . Sachin was going to states , and her lifestyle wasnt gonna change . And even if Sachin had been alive he was NO MANAV . He wud have GRABBED the OCEAN VIEW FLAT and moved there , totally agreeing with SAvita . Sachin and SAvita always liked her richness , remember that . Agree that sachin and Savita always liked her richness, but that is not what the problem is. The matter of the situation isn't about her adujusting and by adjusting she is proving to be a good human being. Absolutely not. Any girl can do that if they want to. For one, she knows that Manav would never agree to it so for her to even bring up the subject to live a better life is out of the question. She knows that very well. So that isn't any type of greatness. And she has been using her trumph card all this time. Sachin is what has kept her in the house and in Manav's life.

Manav is different and she respected that as much as she could , thats the blunt truth . . Cooking is not necessarily expected from UNEDUCATED middle class women . Rich women can ccook too , I know .But they have money and its NOT A COMPULSION . When u have money to fall back on, learning to cook , sew etc becomes a CHOICE not a necessity . And if she exercised that choice , she shud be applauded , not belittled or contemptuously dismissed . We cud have seen her making Savita run around and ordering everyone , we DONT SEE HER DOING THAT . I totally disagree. I don't think you should be applauded that you know how to cook and clean and do household chores when you really arent expected to because ur rich?....I come from a very finiacally secured family, I have had "choices" all my life. Yet, I cook my own food, i love to do arts and craft, I clean my own house. I have money to fall back on. But i don't get applauded for what I do. In fact I get yelled at my husband if its a little messy....he is a sweetheart otherwise........😆 But I suppose she is not to be praised . ARMAN r the sufferers ! The mechanic with the ego of an elephant who feels he is beyond correction and Archna who is the model of rectitude in boot licking him ..........when actually she needs TREATMENT . Arman are no longer the sufferes. I think most of the forum would agree on that one with me. I think we all have come to one conclusion after the divorce, that it is now their own fault that they are in this misery.

Regarding WHY DOES SHE WANT TO MARRY SOMEONE WHO SHE KNOWS DOESNT LOVE HER ..................agreed its stupid , but then same question applies to the GREAT ARMAN too , WHY R THEY MARRYING SPOUSES WHOM THEY DONT LOVE WITH SUCH OBSTINACY ? But they are regarded as doing a human mistake , so why not she ? Exactly correct. They all should be asked the same question. Each of them is not only ruining their life but the life they are joining with. You should never marry a person that you love, marry a person that loves you.

I dont question judgements normally but since this question was asked of me , I ask that inspite of noticing so many facts about her , dismissing all her adjustments and generosity as something all rich people normally do , nothing great in that , what kind of judgement is THIS ? A bias ? Or being purposefully myopic while judging her character coz ARMAN need to be glorified whatever BS they do ? And this question isnt directed personally at u .Its for ALL who hated her enough to start a hate club . As for the hate club, well like every villian, we hate the person that splits the leading couple. The hate is not for what Shravni does do, but for what Shravni doesn't do. Not realizing her place in life, other peoples happiness. She has become very self-centered. One this is for sure, Arman's decision as wrong as it may be, they gained nothing out of it. There was not self plessure in it. They did it for the happiness of someone else. That single reason puts them on a higher pedestal then Shravni. Her actions and reactions is for herself only. As many have said, what is the point of a name now?? The kid has been running around without a father's name for a year. Everyone knows who is the father. So then why? As for settling for the poor, well as you said Shravni has money to fall back on. If this whole situation was solely for Sachin then she should know that she can give him a better future on her own with her father. Something Manav will probably never be able to provide. Has she thought of that?So its not about Sachin either. Its only about her. It has become her ego to obtain Manav, and that is where she is wrong.

Originally posted by: taral83

by the way very interesting convo.......no hard feelings....just discussing..........sorry if anything comes out harsh....not my intentions......😊

Originally posted by: SaffyFlower

Disagree with you KoolDi

Shravni is hated because she is considered to lack a sense of morality and honor- and this has nothing to do with her having a baby out of wedlock

In Mahabharat,technically,wat was wrong with the Kauravas?They won the dice,Yudhishtra promised the kingdom and draupadi,lost both.Draupadi was the slave now,why her sari being pulled is considered adharma,evil??

Reading the fine prints,Arjuna and Bhima were exposed before the first year and so the Pandavas lost again.But still they are considered to be on the side of Dharma

THe Kauravas treated the kingdom well,just like the Pandavas -as u said,SHravni cooked,stitched-Duryodan took care of the Pandavas kingdom quite well.Why is he considered Unjust,evil?

After all a promise is a promise and Duryodan demanded it to be followed up by the Pandavas and Draupadi -but the whole world calls Duryodan to be wrong !

Why?Because his deed might be legitimate but his intention,the niyat was wrong-so everything about him is wrong-all this due to selfishness,greed,jealousy

Same goes for Shravni - she holds this dishonorable promise on ArMan's head saying -promise is a promise

On the day of divorce,when she heard the divorce may not happen,she went to her father and conspired to punish Manav for trying to break the promise

Shravni is hated bcoz her deed might be legitimate but her intention,motive of breaking up a loving couple is wrong - so everything about her is wrong--all this due to selfishness,greed,jealousy

In corruption both the giver and taker are punished - but the taker is punished more - ArMan are being forced to give due to a promise in duress,but the taker here Shravni should be more severely punished then

The morality of the intention behind the deed of extracting the promise, is considered of prime importance here.

Just as Draupadi was willing to be a committed slave but her whole being revulsed at her being dishonored in public,Manav is committed to this promise but his whole being is revulsed at

him being dishonored is some way as he has to live with another woman other than Archana.

Her intentions have been questionable on her coming back as well -she wrote she did not want to separate ArMan,but came back knowing that she is gonna do exactly that -where is she a person of word then? At least ArMan are trying to be people of their word,just trying

Archu's stand - its considered pativrata -nonsense anways

My take - Manav shud tell Shravni to leave with her kid -why honor a dishonorable promise?Not required at all.

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Ok I can agree with that. Any day Shravni is 100 times better then Manju. But we hate Manju too......lol😆, plus she is a minor character. Where as Shravni isn't. That is why we expect more from her. I guess for me at least I hate her for her emotional blindness. Nothing else. Her inablity to see what is right and wrong is just killing me. That negative aspect in her which isn't something small washes out all her other goodness maybe. But agree, she does respect Manav and his family to a certain point. But she doesn't get point for cooking and cleaning. I don't care who you are....doing things for urself and family should never be considered a achievment. 😊

Edited by taral83 - 15 years ago

Originally posted by: taral83

That blindness will go soon . What apalls me is the blindness of the LEADS . They r literally creating HAVOC .

Doing things for oneself and family isnt achievement , true . But HOW it is done is indeed worth observing .For instance , a rich gal will see to it that meals r provided for family , children r educated . But then she may have servants to cook for her and tution teachers for her children .All she may be doing is supervising the servants and packing the children off on time . The end result may be same ....meals r there on the table on time and children r getting good grades in schools . But then there may be another rich lady who cooks herself and personally teaches her children and she too may be getting same results .I wud applaud the second one , coz she is different inspite of having money . Thats the only thing I tried to say all along . Even middle class girls dont adjust as much as Shravni did. The only part where she is wrong is in her obsession for Manav , just like Archna is crazy about him and I am with u on this that this BHOOT must go .

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Her intentions have been questionable on her coming back as well -she wrote she did not want to separate ArMan,but came back knowing that she is gonna do exactly that -where is she a person of word then? At least ArMan are trying to be people of their word,just trying

My dear saffy dont even get me started on the Mahabharatha 😆😆😆😆coz its my fav research topic and if I start , ARMAN KI KHAIR NAHI

About Shravni and Duryodhan .😆😆😆😆 The biggest difference between these two characters is ...........Shravni went THRICE away from ARMAN's life and was bROUGHT BACK BY THIS DUO .Duryodhan didnt even pretend to give the land to the Pandavas .In fact he clearly said .........I wont give land even on the pin point of a needle to the Pandavas .

Now many say Shravni did drama . Perhaps . My point is KISNE BOLA THA GO < ENTERTAIN HER DRAMA AND BRING HER BACK ? Leave her with her drama na ! Lets see if she is coming back or no ! Did ARMAN give us this chance ? No na ? So now watz point in saying ohhh she did drama ?

When she went home during divorce day , Girish clearly told Archu ......I cud have done many hurtful things , I DIDNT . He was not intending to corerce Manav at all .

On day Shravni ran away , Girish told ARMAN before gods wish what can i say .

No, its NOT Shravnis fault . Its Manav who is projecting to be a big BHEESHMA [ if at all u want mahabharat analogy] and its all about HIS WORD and HIS EGO .

And Krishna had told Bheeshma.........A personal word is NOT more important than the greater good . Are Arman achieving greater good by their stupid masochistic sacrifice ?

I dont see it .