Debate of the week!_Old vs New - Page 9

Hey Roja akka,

it is our chance first to refute - cos 4 old vs 2 new - grr... naan wait pannindu irukken 😆 😆 😆

awww Giri, not that I want to do it now,
want to know the rules, that is all 😃

😲 Roja akka, neengaluma ennai Hitler endro sollureenga😭 😭 , you
have joined force with that drama queen Basu?? 😆

i am okay with it, but its up to our mod, have PMs here. Giri akka, usha and
caryn from ur team are busy, but they will come up with their part soon...let
us say that this debate will last for more than a week..oki - next time we will
manage a better schedule😉

Im soooo sorry for the delay. I was havin high fever and flue for the past 2 days. Just recovered. I will prepare my debate after work today and post it at night. Sory 😳

I would ask all my IF friends not to use Hitler to describe any one. 😊 Hitler was evil personified and his name is worse than Sakuni or Ettapan. I am sorry but I feel very strongly about it and I am sure many people think like me. Thank you for your understanding. 😊

No problems Meli - any new venture will have its
teething problems. On line debate is not an easy
thing - with so many varying factors!! Also, do
not worry about the time factor , we can take
it easy and make it a monthly event as well - not that
any of us are in a hurry for the decision 😃

Originally posted by: rojapoooo

No problems Meli - any new venture will have its
teething problems. On line debate is not an easy
thing - with so many varying factors!! Also, do
not worry about the time factor , we can take
it easy and make it a monthly event as well - not that
any of us are in a hurry for the decision 😃

😆😆😆

My IF friends, herewith I am sharing some of my views and strong points in support of OLD songs in terms of some reply too.


Ilamai idho idho
Inimai idho idho
College-u teenaged pengal
Ellorum en meethu kangal

SAKKALAKALA VALLAVAN (1982)

(In his dreams!!! )

Now, what message is that song supposed to convey? That every teenage girl, who are innocent and pure, are eyeing this middle-aged Lothario and that is what "youth" and "enjoyment" is all about??

Yes; We accept this song does not convey anything, but you really tell the truth from your heart does this song is as bad as below two's!!!!

(Movie: 7G Rainbow Colony, 2004)


Naam vayadukku vandhom

Nam illamaikku vandhom

Intha 20 varudam ada veenai poonom

Ini kankalil yellam ilam pen mugam varum

Dhinam Kanavugal thaane nam unavai maarum


Nee Baby yenkirai

Pin baby kodurikai

Un vaarathai poi yada

Un vaazhai poi yada

Nee thottu thottu rasika

Pengal onnum oorga lethuda



(Movie: Boys, 2003)


yaarai kaettu endhan nenjil

idappakkam needhaan nuzhaindhaayoa

undhan uyiril undhan peyaril

valappakkam en peyar saerpaayoa


D-A-T-I-N-G


You and me were meant to be,

Yeah, I can clearly see

Dating is a Fantasy


We accept the fact that some not worth songs are also present in the old songs. Can anyone tell the percentage? If it is 80% good and 20% bad exist in old songs, it is just reverse with the new songs 80% bad and only 20% good. One had to accept the fact that more percentage of songs has more impact. Means it is self explanatory.


Kalyaanam thaan kattikittu oodipoolama
Illa oodi poiye kalyanam thaan kattikalama…
were bad????

Have you heard of this song completely????? I mean full lyrics. Can you sing this song in your house when your kids are there? If so I am sure no one will support New songs.


Therefore if anything, it is the old songs that started the double meaning trend that seemed to have seized the Tamil community in a tight and relentless grip.


Old songs are also conveyed many uncountable good things, example


(Movie: Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey, 1983)


Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey

Ippa thoogiputtu pinnadi yengathe

Pattu kottai vaarthigali pottu

Namba porachiyaaru paadi vachu paattu

Kanna muzichukada neeyum itha kaetu


....


Naama muzhikitta irukum poothu kooda

thalaiyila molagai ariaka aalirukaan kooda


....


Thoogama ooduthada aaru

athu thoogiputta namaku yethu sooru

ooyama suthuthada boomi

athu ooi vedukum naal iruntha kaami


....


Karnana poola vazhthiruntha veeran

Kumba karnana pool paduthiruntha mooden

nee verana pool vazhanuda thambi

itha ooru ulamgam irukutha da unna nambi



This song has excellent lyrics. There is no need to think so much to pick such songs from old collections. But, one must think a lot to get such a song from new collections.


Immediate example:


(Movie: Unnal Muidyum Thambi, 1988)


Unnal mudiyum thambi thambi

Unakul irukum unnai nambi

Thoolai uyarthu thoogi

vizhu naattai yezhuppu

yethaiyum mudikum idayam unnidam kannden


Same movie has song which cares about this society.... No one can denies its beauty in lyrics and simplicity in expressing.


punjai undu nanjai undu pongivarum gangai undu

vanjam mattum innum ingu maaravilla - intha

baaradhaththil soaththuchchanda theeravilla

veedhikkoru katchiyundu saadhikkoru sangamundu

needhi solla mattum ingu naadhiyilla - manam

nimmadhiyaa vaazha oru naalumilla - idhu

naadaa illa verum kaadaa - idhaik

kaetka yaarum illa thoazhaa


Can you get some new song which has excellent lines like this? In old songs we can give many songs similar to these lines.


The song which speaks about women rights...


(Movie: Mandhil Urithi Vendum, 1987)


kannin maniye kannin maniye poaraattama -un

kanngaLum enna kaNgalil enna neeroattama

penn munnetram ellaam verum paechoduthaana -pazham

paattoduthaanaa athan yettoduthaana

naaL thoarum paadum oomaigaL thaana


saathirangaL penn inathai moodi maraithathamma -antha

aathirathil baarathikkum meesai thudithathamma

veedaalum penmai inge naadaalum kaalam vanthum

oomaigal polave endrum oayaamal kaNNeer sindhum

yaenendru kaetkathaan ippothu aaL illai

sama neethi kaetkindra sattangaL yaen illai

ulagamellaam vidintha pinnum

ungaLin iravugal vidiyavillai

.....


The above song explains the state of women in present situation. Even though the song came in 20th century, this holds good for 21st century too.


Is it possible to get huge collections of good songs with nice lyrics which reached people, means still remains as ever green hits??? The song which describes the nature


(Movie: Mullum Malarum, 1978)


Senthaazhal poovil vanthaadul thendral

Yen meedhu mooduthamma

Poovaasam media pooduthamma

Penn poola jaadai pesuthamma

Amma amma aanantham……


Azhaku mikutha rajakumari meha maaha pookiraal

Jarikai neliyum selai kondu malaiyai mooda paarkiral

Pallam silar ullam yena yaen padai thaan aandavan

Pattam thara thedukindren yenge antha naayagan


These are just two songs that I can remember off the cuff.


Yes, b'cos it is difficult to get good songs from new trend and bad songs from old trend. I totally agree that both good and bad are present in both the generation. The life itself is mixed of both but see the percentage of good and bad. In new songs, bad lyrics and bad collections are over riding the good thoughts that has to reach young generation.


From all above I strongly conclude that even though some good songs are present in new generation and bad songs are present in new generation, uncountable no of collections of old very good songs with excellent lyrics can not be compensated by new ones.

Sorry Sorry, I had no idea I got a pm from Alli rani 😉, she was talking to me and then she sent a pm😳, anyhu just saw it today. Yes you can refute Roja, but remember to follow all IF rules e.g., No abusive language etc. I would really appreacite if you guys wait until new thread is posted. Which will be done sometime today. Anytime you guys are busy and cannot post something, It would be nice to let me know, or if you are waiting for you turn, send me the post i will post it for you

Regards

Anju

okay guys, I lock this one. please kindly use PM service to discuss between
you guys!


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