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@Aahaana

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Posted: 17 years ago

#41

Okay guys, here by I annonce the debate to start.

Time period for old songs are from 1972 - 1990 while the new teams will
be
from 1991 to present time 😃

Please use the PM service to take contact and communicate with each
other
and not here in the thread itself! No rude remarks or attacks!

The mod for this debate will be the one and only
Basanthi aka Anju

any doubts or request should be asked to her via PM, her id: basanthi

Good luck to both of the teams!😳

Edited by meli - 17 years ago

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Shanthy Rajan

@usha_pooja

Dazzler

Posted: 17 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: Vani19

Agree agree agree, we want Giri to be our Leader. 😃

yeap agreed.

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rojapoooo

@rojapoooo

Sparkler

Posted: 17 years ago

#43

Topic: Lyrics in Tamil songs -
old vs new - which can you appreciate more and why?

Good morning/evening Ladies and Gentle men. It gives
me great pleasure to make the opening statement for
this online debate. On behalf of Jas , our team leader
and on behalf of my fellow team mates, Kavi, Fluidd,
Vinu, Jay and Jagdu, I extend a warm welcome to one
and all.

Kannile enna undu kangal than ariyum
Kallile eeram undu kangala ariyum?
Yen manam ennavenru ennai yanri
Yarukku theriyum?

Neruppenru sonnal neerilum anaiyum
Neer enru sonnal neruppilum vegum
Naan konda neruppu anaikkinra neruppu
Yar anaipparo Iraivanin poruppu.

I would like to start our arguments with an absolutely
wonderful song - I am not going to name the lyricist
here - That might be getting personal and I always
believe that the lyrics will speak for themselves - they
need no support like big names or big banners etc, etc.,

The movie is "Aval oru Thodarkathai" - sung by the character
who burns herself for the sake of her family. The character is
a mystery to all around her and this song aptly describes her.

At this juncture, I have to acknowledge the music director's
part - we were allowed to appreciate the lyrics - what if he/she
had chosen to submerge the lyrics by some loud incongruous
music score??

Coming back to the lyrics - her countenance totally masks her
inner turmoil but the lyrics of this song express her hidden
feelings in such a way that even a layman can perceive her
sorrow. She has no clue as to what future holds for her. She
leaves it to destiny/God. She sings this when she has to sacrifice
her love for the sake of her young widowed sister - Kallile
eeram undu, Kangalaa ariyum?? so true!!!

For our part, we shall only talk about how good the old songs
are -in terms of lyrics or music composition - we will not get in
to any kind of criticism about the opponent's beliefs. Our
selection of songs will speak for themselves. Sit back, relax
and tune your ears to some interesting arguments folks -
Old is gold.

Edited by rojapoooo - 17 years ago

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Sound

@Vinuthasri

Inactive

Posted: 17 years ago

#44

Rojakka: Good start with a meaningful, impressive song.
Waiting for the opposite team now.

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girivanam

@girivanam

Rocker

Posted: 17 years ago

#45

Hello everyone,

I am under the impression that this debate is on a lighter topic & it is supposed to provide us some fun and laughter like the patti mandapams we are forced with, by all our tamil channels during festival holidays. So I give my opening speech in tamil. Hope you will bear with me for this😳😃.

Madhippirkuriya naduvar avargale ,anbana periyorgale thaimaargale, enadhu katchiyai serndha Caryn, Karthikka, Usha, Netra, Vani, Pokkri anaivarukkum en vanakkam. Kazhudhaikku theriyumo karpoora vaasanai enru solvaargal. Adhu pola, indha pattimandabathil ennai pudhiya padalgal enra thalaippil pesa utkaara vaithu vittargal. Kazhudaikku unmaiyileye karpooram vasanai pidikka theriyuma enru ennakku theriyadhu, aanal pudiya paadalkalin vaasanaiyai moppam pidithu , adhil moozghi muthu edukka vandhullen😃.

Indha ulagathil engum niranbi iruppadhu Anbu. Adharkku pala parimanangal undu – kaadhal , paasam, nesam. Kaadhalai arumaiyaga velipaduthum pala pudu paadalgal irukinrana.

Let me tell you a situation, the lead pair gets married and on their nuptial night, they have a song and dance sequence

"Athikaai kaai kaai aalangai venilavae………..

kannikkaay aasaikkaay kaadhalkonda paavaikkaay
angaekaay avaraikkaai mangai endhan koavaikkaay…"

(Please don't jump on me because this is from a movie of 1960s😉. I am not trying to criticize the lyrics here, actually it creates a good ambience for the couple to get ready for the next day's kitchen duties).

But in such a situation, were he to sing

"Goly gundu kannu (edhir katchi thalaivar ennai parthu idhu pola paaratti irukiraar😆), kova pazha odhadu, paala pola pallu, padiya veccha vagidu, aalai thinnum kannam, alatikkaadha kai, solathatta kaalu, sokka vaikkum vaai…"

This song also has milk, vegetable , maize crop.. 😃Still, wouldn't the lady be floored? This is taken from a movie Emtan Magan.

Idhu ponra manadhai mayakka koodiya paadal varigalai kondadhu, pudiya paadalgale enru koori , engal anikku valu serkka innum pala vaadhangalai en katchikaarargal veipaargal enbadhai ninaivupaduthi vaaippukku nanri koorugiren. Vanakkam😊

P.S – We also ensure that we will not hurt the feelings of anyone, but do everything within our means to justify our stand😃.

Edited by giriadimai - 17 years ago

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rojapoooo

@rojapoooo

Sparkler

Posted: 17 years ago

#46

👏 👏 👏 well done Giri. Much as I would
like to argue in Tamizh, I have to agree that my
vocabulary is limited and more colloquial!!! Also, I am not
sure how many of our members can appreciate/understand the nuances of the language when written in Tanglish - I leave it to the moderator and the organizer to decide.

Our leader is in a different time zone and so I take the lead - It is our turn now - any in our team, who is around, please proceed. Vinu, Fluidd, Kavi, Jagdu, Jay????

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287618

Suspended

Posted: 17 years ago

#47

Ladies,

Meli Ammu has got me into trouble so that i can trouble you guys, Since we are going to be debating, I should start with, " En eniya thamiz makkaluku anayga namaskarangal" , thats about the amount of tamil i know😆.

Anyhu keep going Good luck to both the teams Regarding the usage of Tanglish, Well I think for now it should be permitted, if one cannot follow certain tanglish words its better to ask ? to me meli or the person who has posted it for meanings

I hope that answers your questions, since roja has already started the thread, I would like to know how you want to play this debate, so that I know what is going on 😉 Like round one 2 and stuff like that 😃

Note : Can you kindly give the movie the song is taken from please 😃 for every song you post. Becoz some fo them I might not know and i think we would like to hear it too 😃

Rounds:

one chance to each speaker - 3 chances for each to augment/counter argue and then the mod sums up.

Regards

Anju

Edited by basanthi - 17 years ago

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rojapoooo

@rojapoooo

Sparkler

Posted: 17 years ago

#48

Welcome and thanks Anju. The first song quoted by
me is from the movie "Aval oru Thodar Kathai" directed
by the great K.Balachander. We should have a first round -
one opportunity to each member , alternating between the teams. Then may be 3 members to augment/counter the
arguments and then summing up?? Since we are in different
time zones, any one who is on line can choose to answer -
but of course needs to have the guidelines in mind. We are open to suggestions and guidelines. 😃

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287618

Suspended

Posted: 17 years ago

#49

Ok I get the overall procedure, I am asking the names becoz i would like to check the year it was made, you know just to make sure you are in your old and new module 😆 Yes Lets have One round of songs from everybody once it is done I think I will give you like 3 themes you guys could come up songs which are apt for the theme and justify how it is better and more apt, let mek now if you like it ?

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Uma

@Fluidd

Inactive

Posted: 17 years ago

#50

My Dear Friends,

Thanks a lot for everyone for providing this opportunity to me to talk about old song lyrics.

What is Song? What is the purpose of the song? Why it is has become so popular? How do you differentiate good song from other songs?

The song is the one which should convey good information to all kind of people with apt music. It can be classical, folk, rap, or nattupura paattu. Song is the convenient weapon to convey message to all ages.

When one listens to song, initially the music may be attractive, but after few years only LYRICS will stand in everyone's mind. The attraction towards music remains forever due to strength of the lyrics and meaning conveyed in the same.

Coming to cinema songs: In cinema, the songs should convey not only message but also should describe whole story in a small and simple lines.

(Movie: Puthu Puthu Arthangal, 1989; Song: Kalyana Maalai Kondaadum penne…)

Vaalibangal oodum vayadhaga koodum

Aanalum anbu maaradhadhu

Maalai idum sontham mudi poota bandham

Piri vendra solla ariyaadhadhu

Azhagaana manaivi anbaana thunaivi

Amainthaale pear inbame

These lines convey the message how one married couple should lead a life and what is the meaning of the marriage. Next two lines describe the aim of the story too.

Koovukindra kuyilai koodukul vaithu

Paadenru sonnal paadathamma……

Naal thoorum rasigan paaratum kalaigan

Kaavalgal yena killaye ….

Dhukam sila neram pongi varum poothum

Makkal manam pole paaduven kanne

Yenn soogam yennodu thaan

These lines exactly describe the entire story of the film. I am sure this will be easily identified and remembered by everyone from young generation to older generation.

Coming to another song

(Movie: Moonram Pirai, 1983; Song: Kanne Kalai Maane….)

Kanne kalai mane Kanni mayil yena kannden unai naane …….

decribes how he found one unmarried girl

Oomai yendral oru vagai amaithi

Yezhai yendral athil oru amaidhi……

These lines furnish what is the state of the girl and

Kaadhal konde kanavinai valarthean

Kanmani unai naan karuthinil niraithean

Unnake uyir aanen, yennalum yenai nee maravathe

Yeno theiyam sathi sedhathu

Pethai pola vidhi seidhathu

describes the whole story, how he loves her and he can not live without her, but god has played in her life and fate has made her to suffer from short-term memory loss.

I will say some latest hit song and just give me the answer in film it has come without thinking even for a second.

Manmadha raasa manmadha raasa kalli manasa killadhe……

Can any one will be able to provide lyrics immediately. No, b'cos even though the song is hit that is temporary hit. Every day new movie is coming and songs are getting hit in the screen. What is the position of the song after few years? The song which has very excellent lyrics only will stand in mind forever.

If the song lyrics contain some words like below which will stand in the mind of younger generations.

Kalyaanam thaan kattikittu oodipoolama

Illa oodi poiye kalyanam thaan kattikalama…

I am not criticizing any song, but one has to think how the younger and growing generation will be spoiled by thoughts from such songs.

There may exists many songs describing nature, love, affection, friendship, sorrow, nationality, etc… but which one remains in mind as ever green hits, the one which has good lyrics.

From all these I conclude that

Nenjil Nindravi

Ninaivoodu kalanthavai

Pazhamaiye yendrum Perumai

Athan varigalil ulla Arumai

Ketpatharkku yendrum puthumai.

Yenru koori vaipalithamaikku Nandri Nandri Nandri.

Edited by Fluidd - 17 years ago

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