Drawing the line between ego/pride and self esteem

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@coldy07

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Posted: 14 years ago

Hmm I liked the episode today, mainly because it revolved around my 3 favourite characters 😃 IMV, Devki and Vaibhav.

Although not much was done, with respect to the Rakesh Mehra issue, still I liked it.

Oh and I so loved the scared look on IMV's face when Praveen mentioned that it was some Mehra's phone call from Switzerland 😛 And especially the moment Vaibhav entered, he was totally caught off guard . 😆

To start with IMV's plan of making Devki hear the conversation was a little too typical, of vamps on TV serials,😛 still it did the work. So finally Devki comes to know that Vaibhav was behind the financer.

As expected she even told him , that this hurt her self esteem, her confidence in herself, and all her dreams thus lay shattered. And bang on, she just said what we have been saying on the forums all along, She realised, that she was nothing without Vaibhav and the Virani's help.😔 All along she was served and given everything ready, nothing which she achieved due to her own hard work. She had failed to impress any financer, in her projects. I liked how she said, she was not angry with Vaibhav, just upset with herself.

Coming to Vaibhav, I loved his dialogues too. I liked the confidence which he showed in Devki that she could make that small amount real big in due time.He gave it as a help, a friendly gesture and not due to pity as Devki said.[ but I am really not convinced. What was his real motive. The one which he had told his dad/ the one which he told her today. I strongly wish it was the one which he told Devki.😛 ]

He told her not to confuse her self esteem with her ego/pride. Pride and arrogance do no good to anyone.. I so wish he would explain the same to his Dad also. 😃

I liked how he asked her to think, whether she would react the same way had Nirali/ Charu helped her. And in the end, he said, maybe he'd never be able to help anyone with a kind and open heart again. 😔😒 Maybe the feelings which Sabina invoked in him, are again dying. Guess it's Devki's turn to rekindle the warmth and compassion in his heart again, although there's loads of time for that. 😍

So finally Devki has again lost everything. And what was with IMV's dialogue, that now she will be forced to join Vaibhav group now? I though he was going to send her to prison, on grounds of corruption? 😕 Will he take a person, who is convicted of corruption, in his business?

Precap looks interesting. Oh, wrong timing Praveen, he should not open his mouth in front of IMV👎🏼

Maybe I'll stop now. It's the first time I've opened a topic to comment on an episode. Sorry for any mistakes.😊

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sonali.19281

@sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

reserve big time.. u got me excited to watch it esp after yest...its like the makers are reading our pulse here.. not bad.. lemme watch the epi and get back to you..

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sonali.19281

@sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

I am glad you opened the topic.. so that I can just take it fwd.. and not re-iterate 😆 which I do a lot these days.. ok before I get anywhere.. can I say I was uber thrilled to see the VD scene esp one of Vaibhav's lines just made me😲.. its one of those times when you feel happy about gauging the relationship right.. ok couple weeks back I had posted in anup's topic.. I am pasting bits of it..

Only thing I find intriguing in this scenario is the gradual progression in VDs equation.. although they are not quintessential husband wife vaibhav quite comfortably shows his dislike and frustration on her.. which goes to show that she isn't a stark stranger anymore.. coz you don't do that to stark strangers.. the thing is they both care.. to some extent.. which is rather nice.. there is a gradual comfort level building.. which can't be given any connotation.. but is very realistic.. where both can voice each other's opinion rather honestly to each other.. esp coming from 2 very diff places.. at most times..

and coming to today.. he said the exact same thing.. that we don't fit into a specific relationship.. but you are not a stranger to me.. and Sam I don't think its either or.. that's Vaibhav.. a very practical man with a heart of gold.. so he did help Devki due to his relationship.. coz he did relate to her dreams... he does admire her.. but at the same time he could see his dad's insecurity.. that's why he decided this was the best way to rest the debate.. if he had meant either statements and not both.. he would have told his dad about the investment.. but he did not.

you know one thing through the whole scene that jumped out.. is something I had been thinking about for a while.. the age difference.. the maturity in Vaibhav vs the idealism in Devki... somehow between Sabina and Vaibhav both were on the same level of maturity.. and experience.. but Devki is like Nirali to him.. in terms of age.. and experience..an extremely smart girl but with lofty ideologies.. so he stops her whenever she goes overboard and gives her food for thought.. like he did once again.. with the arrogance and pride thing.. nothing is black or white.. there is a thin line demarcating realism.. and one needs to have a grip of it.. I repeat again.. Vaibhav is one of the best guys to have as a companion.. a friend.. and a guide..

will come back for more on Devki;s and IMV's take after dinner once I get out of my hype on Vaibhav..

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Anmol Jain

@intruderfast

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Posted: 14 years ago

uff it was one of the best episode of mb

i am so glad d did not balme v for this folly, i kind of expected it from this character mostly cos it concentrated on 3 most imp characters of the show, d ,v and imv

imv , cunning brain he has, he played a masterstroke here😈

but the most touching part has to be the v and d conco

who is the dialogue writer of this show, applauds 4 him👏

it has to be in my eyes the best v and d scene that day

loves the matured talks between them

if it would have been some other show, they would so much dramatised where d would crate a ruckus and says aapne mujhe dkhoka diyaa and all that

here d did not blame v

abd v what to day abt him. he is now permanently in my fav list ahead of everyone😃

the way he tried to convince devki

he has been dead right , self esteem should not be so much that it turns into arrogance

i understand d did not wanna take her family help but its not bad if they help her.

there is nothing wrong in taking support from vaibhav

in the end when v signed papers and left, she is still pondering, she will change and accept vaibhav investment now, his words r making a strong impact on her

d makes mistakes but v understands her intentions, r noble, right, she wants to do good, he always keeps her in check. v is a gr8 husband to have d is indeed very lucky to have a gem of a person like v in her life

now she should make sure v also gets his deserved happiness, v also needs support though he does not show it, he needs it

i feel praveen might recollect it convey it to v and i think vaibahv will get the hint somehow,go to switzerland and caome back at the nick of the time to save his wife😊 very excited now

btw i like praveen , imv ki acchi tarah leta hain, kyaa taunts mar raha tha kal😉😆😆

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sonali.19281

@sonali.19281

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Posted: 14 years ago

@Anmol: U r not helping me here.. I am trying to see the whole epi apart from V and you bring me back to him.. time and again.. man this character is gone wayyy beyond my expectations.. loving each and every bit of detailing.. and how very genuinely nice is it for him to trace that manager down to hongkong.. he is an epitome of a responsible man.. do they make them like that anymore.. 😆 can a real vaibhav virani please stand up..

ok lemme try to put my mind on Devki.. I sincerely loved how she channelized her hurt.. I do that too.. take it all on myself.. coz I have tons of expectations from myself but zilch from others.. I loved how she said.. she is upset that she overestimated her efforts. that she thought she was that good.. when its proved otherwise now.. it must hurt real bad to think that the project she made from scratch and thought was appreciated wasn't even instrumental.. so her little dignified outburst was justified.. and isn't this all about being spouses.. sharing your insecurities.. your POV easily to each other.. things you can't with someone else.. I bet she hasn't been so approachable to even Nirali or Charu.. they have cruised to this comfort level with each other unconsciously.. and yes Vaibhav's words have made her re-think.. and maybe she will hold on to her decision till the case.. and esp after seein the extent V goes for her.. in this.. she may actually take his money.. and hopefully assure him. .that she will make him proud by doubling his investment.. just as he intended😃

IMV's funda was crystal clear.. people with ideals are unidimensional.. and predictable and hence easy to manipulate.. but what about those with tons of practicality and subtle convictions.. aka Vaibhav.. I really think he has a bigger comp in Vaibhav than Devki at this point..

as for Praveen.. always loved his oneliners.. rem when he showed how Vaibhav would romance Devki by referring to blank checks and business lol.. he has the best timing with such lines.. hopefully his dimaag reciprocates to all the pressure he was physically infusing.. 😆

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Anmol Jain

@intruderfast

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: sonali.19281
@Anmol: U r not helping me here.. I am trying to see the whole epi apart from V and you bring me back to him.. time and again.. man this character is gone wayyy beyond my expectations.. loving each and every bit of detailing.. and how very genuinely nice is it for him to trace that manager down to hongkong.. he is an epitome of a responsible man.. do they make them like that anymore.. 😆 can a real vaibhav virani please stand up..
uff kyaa karoon v has totally surpassed all the expectations, now, he is truly a character u can take inspiration from .

ok lemme try to put my mind on Devki.. I sincerely loved how she channelized her hurt.. I do that too.. take it all on myself.. coz I have tons of expectations from myself but zilch from others.. I loved how she said.. she is upset that she overestimated her efforts. that she thought she was that good.. when its proved otherwise now.. it must hurt real bad to think that the project she made from scratch and thought was appreciated wasn't even instrumental.. so her little dignified outburst was justified.. and isn't this all about being spouses.. sharing your insecurities.. your POV easily to each other.. things you can't with someone else.. I bet she hasn't been so approachable to even Nirali or Charu.. they have cruised to this comfort level with each other unconsciously.. and yes Vaibhav's words have made her re-think.. and maybe she will hold on to her decision till the case.. and esp after seein the extent V goes for her.. in this.. she may actually take his money.. and hopefully assure him. .that she will make him proud by doubling his investment.. just as he intended😃

yup thats the thing i like abt d, and glad she conveyed her hurt to vaibahv , she is very good

yes she shares all with vaibahv , and thats what i like abt v and d the most, the way they have been honest towards each other from day one. person , she just needs to buck up a littlem more than imv it should be vaibah who she should think as a guru😆😆

IMV's funda was crystal clear.. people with ideals are unidimensional.. and predictable and hence easy to manipulate.. but what about those with tons of practicality and subtle convictions.. aka Vaibhav.. I really think he has a bigger comp in Vaibhav than Devki at this point..

yeah he is underestimating vaibhav , he does not know his what his on is capable of 😆

i think no one knows it . i get a feeling v might well come to know that imv is behind this but he may force the bank manaager not to reveal imv name, as he is his father, but after that , he will stand against him, mujhe bas aisa lag raha hain, cos if v is able to get access to manager , imv name will come out too

as for Praveen.. always loved his oneliners.. rem when he showed how Vaibhav would romance Devki by referring to blank checks and business lol.. he has the best timing with such lines.. hopefully his dimaag reciprocates to all the pressure he was physically infusing.. 😆

yaa that was awesome, v was so embarrased😛😆, i think he is also intelligent in his own way, he understands ppl very well, he was very susupicious of imv throwing the party for d

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@coldy07

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Posted: 14 years ago

Nice inputs all of you! 😃

Yea, Devki was really influenced by Vaibhav's small talk. She could actually not look into his eyes later. Maybe she felt guilty of not placing him at an equal comfort level that he had. But you know what , when they talk so openly this itself proves how they have come along. And yes as intruderfast mentioned, I also liked how she didn't start crying or hurl accusations on Vaibhav of doing this and that 😆

And Vaibhav,That's what I like about him. He speaks so less, quickly , and the message is clear and even good. I was really convinced by his talk. Guess Devki will also re think about her decision.

Btw, I don't get why did IMV mention about Vaibhav losing his love during that conversation? As it is , Devki knew about it. but still when I saw the scene, I felt that pinch on Devki's expressions, that small thing which kinda hurts you. Any comments? 😊

As for the bank manager's truth, maybe Praveen will tell to Vaibhav, hopefully. But how on earth will they manage to catch hold of him, make him speak the truth, is another thing. Or maybe only Devki comes to know that IMV was behind it, and she keeps quiet, knowing that Vaibhav may never beleive this. Waiting for Monday.

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Anmol Jain

@intruderfast

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: coldy07
Nice inputs all of you! 😃

Yea, Devki was really influenced by Vaibhav's small talk. She could actually not look into his eyes later. Maybe she felt guilty of not placing him at an equal comfort level that he had. But you know what , when they talk so openly this itself proves how they have come along. And yes as intruderfast mentioned, I also liked how she didn't start crying or hurl accusations on Vaibhav of doing this and that 😆
only v has the power to convince her , otherwise madam kisiki sunti kahaan hain. vaibhav devki ko hamesha chup kara deta hain , thats quite an achievement😛😆
glad she is so different from the normal bahus of tv,

And Vaibhav,That's what I like about him. He speaks so less, quickly , and the message is clear and even good. I was really convinced by his talk. Guess Devki will also re think about her decision.
yaa but uske har baat mein dum hain , he speak sense, no nonsense 😆

Btw, I don't get why did IMV mention about Vaibhav losing his love during that conversation? As it is , Devki knew about it. but still when I saw the scene, I felt that pinch on Devki's expressions, that small thing which kinda hurts you. Any comments? 😊
yaa it might hurt, to know that ur husnband loves someone other , it hurts u a little, and d has fallen for vaibhav or will in short time, the ilu part might come soom from her mouth😆

As for the bank manager's truth, maybe Praveen will tell to Vaibhav, hopefully. But how on earth will they manage to catch hold of him, make him speak the truth, is another thing. Or maybe only Devki comes to know that IMV was behind it, and she keeps quiet, knowing that Vaibhav may never beleive this. Waiting for Monday.
devki madam ne v ko joru kaa ghulam bana diyaa hain😆😆😆woh khud toh kuch nahin kar rahi, v still has one day left, he might go to switzerland and come back at the nick of time just wehen judge is going to announce his verdict,😆
he will come in a typical scene , rukiye judge saahab , main gawaah le aaya😆
typical movie scene, and i wont mind it if they show it😆

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khamosshhh

@khamosshhh

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Posted: 14 years ago

@coldy07

@anmol

@sonali

Totally agree wid u guys. Hey Anmol I don't think dey'll show any grand entry of V wid Mehra in d courtroom...dis show is too subtle for dis kind of a dramatic showdown.😉

Luved V-D scene...actually if these scenes wouldn't been done just d way dey r done, then Devki wuld end up luking very foolish. So👏👏👏 4 d creatives 2 write d scenes just right!

Somehow I feel dat although D nd Manhar will b proved innocent, but the diabolic designs of IMV will remain unearthed...😭 For d time being D will hv 2 gv up her dreams of getting BB's company out of trouble nd she'll end up joining IMV.

Anyways the coming weeks episodes will b interesting.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

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3 things he told her were very striking . They made him shine .

1] There is a very thin line between ego and self respect .

One shud not go so overboard with the self respect thing that he or she does not realize that it has turned into ego . When one dreams big , when one is in no position to really decide WHERE the finances shud come from but actually needs to grab the first ...ANY crutch that she gets to prop up her grandfather's sunk business , and when she starts talking big and refusing help given to her voluntarily by someone who was sensitive enough to take care that her feelings are not hurt by giving the help in total anonymity ...it shows the insufferable ego that has surely but steadily developed around idealism .

Many idealists have it . Devki proved to be no exception .If even before STARTINg she has this much unconscious ego ...that I want the credit ...I did it on MY own and she loses the capacity to be thankful for the gracious act but instead tells Vaibhav that NO , I'm not angry with you for daring to help me ...YES Devki has an ego .

And so , the talk Vaibhav gave that idealist girl who is immature in that scene and rather impractical ...was needed .

2] If you can use BB's name , why not Charulata's name as she is a veritable mother to you .

Again , 100% correct . Devki uses BB's former reputation in the share market to procure loans . Its not Devki Shah's name that gets the money , she is a novice . She depends on BB's former reputation . But she refuses the Virani help . Why ? If you want DEVKI alone to shine , throw away both crutches ...BB 's name and Virani name and do it on your own as DEVKI alone . Let us see how far you can go .Let us see WHO gives big loans to a novice called Devki .

3] From now on I will think twice before helping anyone with an open heart .

So true . His time , energy and feelings cannot be wasted like this on immaturity . He first wasted it on arranging finances for her , then on finding that bank manager for her ...he infuriated his father by not attending an important business meeting beneficial for HIS business . Why ?To be told tomorrow by Devki that I can manage , thanks but no thanks ?

Born rich , but immensely mature , handling both his Dad and his wife in the optimum way , Vaibhav Virani gets my vote in the scene yesterday .