Understanding Pallavi: The Deshmukhs, Raghav, and her Redemption? - Page 2

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Posted: 4 years ago
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ok now as read you full good essay happily , first i want to welcome such a genius silent member in our family wholeheartedly🤗 please to welcome you on board❤️


as i read you full essay you need to read my too🤣 vrna hum katti ho jayenge😆


1. You said i penned down my fews words🤣, you have written full essay of almost 90 complete episodes and push me to read saying few words🤣🤣 naughty girl

2. You said in very first line about deshmukh that you hate all of them. you won the heart of whole fandom❤️👍🏼 they are indeed trashmukhs

3. The real line about each characters chipaku bwa milind and 🐍( mansi) and nikhil

4. I m rooting you for your line that SD n VD never deserves the title aae and baba 🥳👏👏👏 so true girl aae and baba are not just word but whole life for any human being

5. Your explaination about sharda empty words to share her childs insecurity are bang on🥳👏 perfectly true she never provide that motherly security to dumbo(pals) and yes totally agree she is indebted not bcz love but for giving her shelter and provide shield from social stigma bcz she herself didn’t experienced family before.

perfectly said about VD’s mistrust on her n questioning RR about their relation and then bwlieving him showed us ( VD is not only kan ka kacha ,dimag ka dumb , ankhon ka andha so all in all we called him handicapped not physically but mentally👍🏼)( here handicapped is not used in any negative term or to make a fun of any individual but just representing situation word, kindly consider)

6. coming to her and RR relation i think your more on her pov rather than dual relation so explained point as just dumbo’s pov not real senarios so far

7. They are showing redemption before love is the extremely beautiful part and yes you very explained that👍🏼

8. I agree she has started melting with him already and i m completely ok with that.


And here we start with you and me disagreement over dumbo redemption track

1. yes they are not perfect, no one is perfect infact every human kind is grey or other shades can’t be total B/W or perfect. here lies the ans...as they both are not perfect we need redemption for both ,one is already doing in great ways and the concept of his accepting his mistakes and proudly announcing in front of world that i was wrong n i will redeem needs great or i would say tremendous amount of courage which merely few of us have, and RR, the man of values had that courage so kudos to him🥳 he ll surely do it great till the end n forever consider his learnings as lesson for life

2. She needs redemption for her brother first, in whom’s lap she opened her eyes in this beautiful world and no matter how but he raised her with great efforts without parents and gives her great value added upbringing, best moral values, taught her every good things , so he is parent figure for her but for in-debt and insecurities she totally disrespect the best relation god had ever gifted her for her long 22 years ( don’t you want redemption for this tell me)

3. from very first day keerti is person who always stand by her , as good friend never at a single point when keerti question her nor take her for granted till date but this dumbo always took her for granted ( if you called this a friendship or dumbo’s mahanta then sorry i can’t agree with you )

she never even said thank you to the girl, who selflessly help her to shoot n complete that web portal work against her own brother ( you accept aur not all these behaviour of dumbo with her own blood brother n keerti made her hypocrite)

4. She needs redemption for jaya and keerti’s misery bcz if she thinks rr is responsible for chipaku and mansi’s scene then she is equally responsible for amma-keerti scene too bcz in both cases in case 1 RR didn’t do anything but she consider him guilty till date so in case 2 she didn’t do anything but we call consider her guilty till she ll apologise to amma-keerti for the jail trauma and society misdeeds ( you can’t say only rr to redeem bcz he tarnish her image, her so called loved cause the same to his fam too and she needs to redeem bcz she stated him guilty without reason)

5. she hv to redeem to RR for her nonsense talks of badla , my family is never wrong, you enter in my life destroy everything (sorry big no no no .... you can’t clap with single hand ... if he is wrong there , she was equally reciprocating those adverse situations.. and finally the result was her dignity being crashed bcz the reason for his act was equally dignity of his mom-sis crashed so we can’t take only dumbo’s dignity at priority and leave’s other ladies dignity at side.


PS: So all in all this was best discussion we had, i read your full piece so now read my counter part and open for your views 👍🏼....

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunshine_94

Nice analysis from pallavis pov. Raghav has to go a long way to go to set things right he has messed up.


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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: aye-masakalii


Aajkal masters ki padhai chal rahi hai. Har hafte 10-12 page ka analysis maanga jaata hai, toh short mein likhne ki aadat nahi rahi. Sorry 🙈


fir toh hum master complete kiye hue 4 yrs ho gye hai but apko revert me lamba essay thamaye hai... time mile tb aram se pdhna🤣🤣...sorry ki toh jarurt hi nhi hai humko... dilwale hai hum🤗

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Welcome to the forum!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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i think most of the points you have mentioned here are true--and I loved the fact how detailed your analysis was

I really loved what you have said from Pallavi's pov---and Raghav has done all the things intentionally (he should know that his actions would have caused great damage not just to Pallavi but everyone related to her)

and cheers everyone here hates Deshmukh clan

Raghav has long way to go to convince Pallavi--only because of the reason that his actions were delibrate and intentional and not for some silly fun or prank...and it took a lot of time for him to agree with the fact he has to redempt for his action and didn't agree he took a wrong decision

Pallavi--her actions unintentional (didn't know abt Raghav's allergy) was just wanting to take a revenge for insulting her family( because for her they are god)--and mirchi is not a common allergy which you can find everyday and Pallavi's redemption is be immediately after her actions unlike Raghav

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Really loved your post. The clarity of thought, from all.perspectives, was awesome to read.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Well I love both..but having seen Pallavi being harassed from the beginning almost 65 episodes.. it would not be convincing if redemption is done in 4 to 5 episodes.

P.s i luv the character of both raghav and Pallavi

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Hey y’all! I’ve been silently around the forum since I first started watching the show back in its second or third week. I tend to silently stalk forums of most of the shows I watch, but the discussions and analyses that go on here are leaps and bounds ahead of what I’ve seen anywhere else recently, and I couldn’t help but chime in with my own two cents. I also have the guts to do so, because till now I’ve only seen healthy discussions here without irrational bashing of characters or toxic fan wars, which has been so refreshing after some of the other forums I’ve lurked in. Hope there’s room for another member!

I sense Pallavi’s been losing out on support a little bit in the fandom recently (more so on Twitter than here, from what I can see, but there’s definitely been a tipping of scales when it comes to fandom support across the board). And I think that’s largely because the show has given us more of Raghav’s perspective than Pallavi’s in the past couple of weeks, especially with Shivangi’s absence in a few episodes. So, just to try and balance the scales a bit, I thought to pen a few words on Pallavi’s point of view.


Pallavi and the Deshmukh Clan

Ugh, okay, so I hate them all. From my reading of the scenario, it feels like Pallavi has been trapped in a deeply abusive relationship with that family. Only Nikhil cares a damn about her. Sulochana and Amrutha have not hidden their disdain, so I see no reason to address it. Mansi has turned out to be quite venomous herself. Milind, I believe, does care but I also believe in ‘impact, not intent’. As well intentioned as he may be, not once has he acted in a way to positively impact Pallavi’s life.

As for Vijay and Sharda, I don’t think either of them deserve the title of ‘Aai’ and ‘Baba’ from Pallavi. Apart from the night Sharda called Vijay’s bluff and walked out with Nikhil to find Pallavi after the kicking-out incident, neither of them have acted like parents. In the very first episode, their insistence on getting her remarried, even though she was visibly distraught at the idea, put me off, and it’s been downhill from there. Vijay was appropriately called out by Raghav for trusting him instead of his so-called daughter when he followed her to his house to investigate the nature of their relationship. Foreshadowing for when Vijay would once again believe Raghav over Pallavi when he assassinates her character. Sharda, while less abrasive, has also not been supportive. She can insist however much she wants that Pallavi should share her troubles with her, it’s all empty words for she’s never given her that comfort and security. The onus for developing that sense of security is not on the child.

That said, Pallavi has never had parents, she doesn't know what to expect. Her brother obviously did his best, but she doesn’t know what healthy, large families look like. What she does know is, her husband died on the night of their wedding, and when this family could have turned her out, and like often happens, blamed her for bringing ill-luck upon their young son, they shielded her from society and had her back. I believe she feels indebted to them. Add to that her promises to Mandaar, and I understand her unhealthy hero-worship of this undeserving lot. She’s aware she’s being mistreated- she has called out Mansi and Sulochana to their faces, and every word she said to Sharda when she came to stop the wedding was true, she didn’t pull it out of thin air- those are her actual emotions. Yet, the feeling of debt and the overwhelming desire to hold onto the family, makes her overlook it.

Also, holy shit, this is a slap happy bunch. From the barrage of slaps to Raghav, to Milind slapping Sulochana, Sulochana beating up Amrutha, Vijay slapping Farhad, Mansi’s slap to Nikhil and the physically violent way in which Pallavi was thrown out of the house….yikes. This is unacceptable, no two ways to it, and it really needs to stop. Between here and another show I've been watching on the channel, there's just too much normalizing of physical abuse, especially against men. I am not defending it, and will never do so. It's plain wrong.

I would love to see Pallavi realize that she needs to get distance from this lot, and become Pallavi instead of ‘Deshmukh-parivar-ki-vidhwa-bahu-who-they-accepted’, and I was so glad to see Raghav bring this up! Definitely won him some points from my end, and I’m so excited to see him follow through on that. But, it’s also important to acknowledge that moving away from the Deshmukhs needn’t mean moving towards Raghav. And coming to that…


Pallavi and Raghav

I’m so impressed with the redemption arc we’re seeing with Raghav right now. I think it was such a brilliant decision to execute this before the two fell in love- I’m so very glad that we get to see him repent not because he’s in love with the person who he inflicted his tortures upon, but because he’s a good person who made some terrible mistakes, and is man enough to own up to them and earn forgiveness. Similarly, I look forward to Pallavi’s forgiveness not because she’s in love with her former tormentor, but because she sees his genuine regret. It allows us to progress into the inevitable love story without the dark clouds of past deeds.

That being said, Pallavi has not seen what we’ve seen. She doesn’t know that the panic attack she walked in on was triggered by his guilt towards her. She hasn’t seen him cry at her bedside when she collapsed. She isn’t seeing his genuine attempts with the Deshmukhs. She isn’t witness to the conversations between him and his alter ego. So, what does Pallavi know?

She knows that the first time she met this man, he burned up her sari material, critical to her livelihood and that of her family’s, without a second thought or a moment of regret. She knows he purchased her shop with seemingly the sole purpose to make her life miserable. Sure, she shouldn’t have slapped him in the market without finding out what was going on- but he got back at her by kidnapping her and tying her down in the path of a speeding truck, so let’s call it even (though in my heart, that was disproportionate retribution). He then barged in on every wedding function of her sister, again, without any real reason (as far as she knows), despite her repeatedly telling him to stay away because it was causing issues for her.

The relationship between them mellowed down after the harrowing night with Lion, but the pregnancy-abortion drama immediately following, and him once again being desperate to get her to shut shop and leave the city didn’t help. Yes, he helped clear her name in the abortion mess, but from where she’s standing, he deliberately made it a bigger, more public affair than it had to, just to get under her skin. And once again, her misplaced attachment to her family prevents her from seeing beyond Mansi’s pain in that moment. Raghav’s only fault here was a lack of tact, but with the storm that hit her family after this, she couldn’t see beyond that and understand his point of view. Definitely selfish, and an error on her part, but given the state of the family that day (recall the night she walks around her house seeing every single family member in pain), I can’t say I don’t understand.

What happened after this was a complete shitstorm. He acknowledged her victory, and under the pretence of selling her the shop with dignity, got her to sign incriminating paperwork. For no apparent reason except his own shits and giggles, he broke shocking news to her family that she’d been covering up for the fear of her father’s health. Insinuated that she was a wh*re in front of her whole family. Yes, what happened next shows that these people have never been family, but that doesn’t mean Raghav didn’t trigger the sequence of events that lead to her being thrown out of her home, insulted and disowned, in the middle of a stormy night and her father ending up critically ill. As if this wasn’t enough, he gets her brother arrested and corners her into a marriage against her will. When he realizes he messed up, he comes to her, and doesn’t immediately apologize- he talks about how pathetic and undeserving the family he caused her to lose is. Yes, they are. However, it should have been her journey to realize that and cut them off, not an accidental and brutal consequence of his thoughtless actions.

Just think of what Pallavi has been through physically in the 13 odd days since the wedding- she’s fainted due to stress and trauma twice, while also recovering from chicken pox. Emotional trauma, explained above. When it got too much, she decided to leave, and when Raghav begged for a chance, she responded with tons more empathy and dignity that I would have in her position by giving it to him.

Now, yes, Raghav is being genuine and heartfelt. But, it’s just been a couple of days. The last time he was genuine and heartfelt, he agreed to sell her the shop, and we saw how that ended. She is wary, she should be wary. Again, we know he’s legit, she doesn’t. And even if she knows he’s genuine- she does not owe him forgiveness. Yes, it was sad to see her not consider him her husband, and the beautiful Tum Hi Ho sequence tugged all my heartstrings...but just because he accepts this marriage, she does not have to. His acceptance doesn’t change the fact that she was blackmailed into this situation. She does not owe him acceptance.

And to be honest, she is melting already. It’s so evident. In fact, it’s a testament to how kind she is that she’s seeing his efforts, she’s able to smile with him, and have conversations with him after everything that has gone down.


Pallavi’s Redemption?

Pallavi has gotten a lot of backlash for the mirchi thing today, and I am just unable to take that criticism seriously. Old Pallavi would have gone at Raghav, guns blazing, for daring to misbehave with her father, even to the extent we saw (and I’m sure Amrutha added spice to that tale, and Milind, as usual, watched disapprovingly). Instead, she responded with a harmless prank. How’s she to know about his allergy?? She assumed he’d have a bite, cough, have a glass of milk, and be over with it. Ab woh khud khushi khushi kha raha hai, toh Pallavi ko sapna aayega that he’s gonna have a deathly reaction to this? Come on, cut her some slack. We all know that had she had even a hint of the allergy, she wouldn’t have gone ahead with this in her wildest dreams. Raghav being masochistic here is not on her. And once she finds out, I’m sure she’ll respond with regret and care, and I think the matter can end there. One other demand I’ve been seeing quite often has been for Pallavi’s redemption...I’m sorry, what? Why does she need to redeem herself with Raghav? When has she wronged him?

To be honest, the one thing for which I’m disappointed with Pallavi right now is the lack of a conversation between her and Keerti. I think that’s a result of the shooting restrictions- recently all of Keerti’s scenes have been video calls with Sunny. I don’t think it’s on Pallavi to punish Sulochana and Amrita for what went down. Raghav, Jaya and Keerti have all the evidence and contacts they need to carry this through. If they’ve chosen not to (god only knows why), she doesn’t have the right to overrule them. I believe it would actually be disrespectful of her to do so. Nor is she now considered a member of the Deshmukh family, and she can’t respond through that channel. However, a quick hug between Pallavi and Keerti after she found out, even without any dialogues, would have been wonderful. For my own peace of mind, I’m choosing to believe this happened offscreen. While I don’t hold Pallavi responsible for what happened (and clearly, neither do Jaya and Keerti), Keerti is the one person apart from Nikhil who has consistently acted in Pallavi’s best interest and wanted her happiness from episode one. With the kind of empathy Pallavi has shown even Raghav during the worst of their relationship in the past (the accident, for instance), it’s impossible for me to believe Pallavi didn’t feel for her friend here, even while grappling with her own traumatic situation.

All in all, I’m definitely not claiming that Pallavi is perfect, but neither is Raghav (especially from her point of view). But honestly, if they were perfect, we wouldn’t watch them. It wouldn’t be a compelling story. A few days of kindness can’t undo the pain he’s caused her. Her eventual forgiveness is also not going to override his issues with love, as he said to Farhad today. They both bring baggage of exes who turned their lives upside down. I’m excited to see them learn to trust and love together- that’s the journey I signed up for!

Apologies for the massive word vomit here, and if you’ve made it till the end, would love to hear your thoughts!


All right I have not watched these kind of shows.But seeing some promos & in the middle of one episode on TV I saw Raghav commenting to Pallavi that he's not gonna let her leave out of their wedding even if its a deal whatever so its a good sign.


As per the short Synopsis Raghav is an arrogant & Rich Businessman with Grey shades-Kind of like the Tadipaar SSO of Ishqbaaz whereas Pallavi if not an orphan still has that rebellious attitude within herself-somewhat like Anika.


In short its the attraction of Opposites even though there might be a clash of ideologies here.


While both the characters Raghav & Pallavi would have their separate or reunited Fan Clubs all I can say that unfortunately as has been the tradition of our Telly Land its incumbent upon the FL itself to change her mate-the Grey Shaded Hero.


So if Raghav has apologized & pledged to make things better for Pallavi with the condition that if he failed he would sign on the dotted line of Divorce within 1 month its pretty clear that he's not gonna leave her now.Don't know the name of Vamps or Villains here who would try to create troubles within their Budding Relationship but its upto the Raghvi Duo to tackle the same & sort out the mess here.


SSO or even the famous Arnav Singh Raizada had to break the norms of Patriarchy/Society & Other Boundaries to reclaim the Love for their respective Wives Anika & Khushi.


While the story of Raghav-Pallavi might be different from the above mentioned couples the common factor is even though their husbands/lovers came from elite backgrounds both Anika & Khushi were feisty enough to earn both the respect & the love from their husbands-SSO & ASR.


The moot question is Raghav needs to realize that if he's really serious about Pallavi then he needs to go beyond & above the extra mile for her.Shivaay & Arnav inspite of their Grey shades had always gone far beyond & above for both Anika & Khushi bcoz in their hearts they passionately loved their wives-Anika & Khushi.


Raghav has got the mind of an astute Businessman right-so he needs to be on the alert & not believe everything at Face value.The Vamps/Villains would always try to portray Pallavi's wrong side or even implicate her in some wrong situation where she might be there at the wrong time & at the wrong place unfortunately.


I was reading some aspect of Pallavi putting Chilli in Raghav's food under misconception & being bashed for the same but like Raghav there might be flaws in her character too.Raghav's arrogance is shaped by the past betrayals what it is I don't know otherwise he would not have been a Grey-shaded character in the first place.


No character can be totally ideal or perfect be it of any Genre-there would be some flaws however every immoral action cannot be excused or brushed aside.


Its pretty clear that Pallavi's presence in Raghav's life makes him an overall better person-when she was somewhat sick after their sudden wedding he took care of her by putting her under the Blanket.


The most basic flaw or problem when it comes to the Grey shaders is that in their Heart even if they feel a little bit of sympathy or budding love for the Girl their Cold-Heart outrightly dismisses such feelings bcoz of Status/Past Betrayals or other issues.


Both Pallavi & Raghav would have to work hard on their relationship-if Pallavi thinks that its just a one time deal then her efforts even if sincere would be half-hearted.As for Raghav does he really want some Lady Luck in his Boring life?


Its not about Love always-its sometimes about the commitment too.Raghav should not leave Pallavi at any cost if in this 1 month window he realizes that his future is with her only.Raghav unofortunately seems to have some Shivaay like Qualities-Shivaay inspite of loving Anika truly had almost lost her many times due to his overall arrogance/misplaced anger & stupidity.


Its not that Trails & Tribulations won't be there between the couple but if Raghav thinks before he acts then he won't ever lose the Love of his Life-Pallavi.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunshine_94

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Well I love both..but having seen Pallavi being harassed from the beginning almost 65 episodes.. it would not be convincing if redemption is done in 4 to 5 episodes.

P.s i luv the character of both raghav and Pallavi


ap toh dil pe le liye sunshine ji...aise kaise shine krenge fir ap....harassing nhi character dept ki demand kehte hai use....aap positively leke dekhiye...bcz janata cannot accept pallavi with one sided trashmukh jaap infact can't accept with trashmukh name in single word from her....there is no layer to her char nor depth ...batao humare diamond se bhi kimati anna ko hum aise hi kisi ke bhi sath kaise adjust kare to beta ram didi ko diamond tih km se km banana pdega na, uske liye unko janata ka taap sehna hoga tbhi jake makers unke shine ke bare me kuch soch payenge and hume royal raghvi mil payenge....nhi hua toh last me hum tang aake apke username ka thoda shine nikal ke pallu ko bhej denge to shine her so that raghvi can shine with class😛😎 kya bolte ho chlega?...bolo bolo😊

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Hey ya! That was a long post!! But articulated well.

I agree with you on most points, rather all the points except 1. The abortion fiasco. I can't believe she went off after Raghav like that inspite of him being helpful in clearing her name. Who wud in their right mind bother abt their extended family when in fact they themselves were being subjected to such utter callous accusations. She should have thanked Raghav first. And its not like he interfered in her personal space on his own. He was pulled into it... He wanted to clear his name too...

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