Understanding Pallavi: The Deshmukhs, Raghav, and her Redemption? - Page 5

Loved the post ❤️

I always wanted Makers to show little more of Pallavi’s struggle / pain of being orphan via Her childhood Flashbacks and FBs of days when ppl troubled her for being young widow and how Deshmukhs supported her

Only then her D fam love would atleast be understood 🤪

Right now we have seen Raghav’s painful past so his yearning for his Amma and doing extreme stuff makes kinda sense to us

Atleast audience understands why he behaves in a certain way 😆

Infact they’re showing his sub conscious self too now

There’s not much background shown of Pallavi nor are her inner thoughts explored much

So as a character she is lil hard to relate to 😆

Both characters are precious but flawed ❤️

I hope like this arc is for Raghav’s growth

Next one will be for pallavi’s growth ❤️

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I definitely feel Pallavi was both selfish and wrong in her reaction to that whole incident. I think her rage stemmed from both her helplessness at the storm that hit her family, and that she genuinely believed Raghav created the public spectacle deliberately, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. I also don't like that Jaya sent Raghav to apologize for this, and I'm glad it played out in a way that he didn't end up apologizing. He was an innocent bystander caught in this family's messy dynamics. However, beyond a point, while I disagree with Pallavi, I don't hold her guilty, per se, because she didn't actually act out in retaliation. Lambe lambe dialogue to bol daale, but jab usne kuch kiya hi nahi, toh kya ilzaam daalun uspe, beyond the fact that she needs to learn patience and critical thinking? I'm okay with her not thanking Raghav- he did what he did to clear his name, which he has every right to, but she (in her misplaced sense of love) was happy to carry the blame for Mansi's sake, and the situation imploded because of his tamasha. She never asked for or wanted him to clear her name. So yeah, she doesn't really have the right to be angry at him- if anything, she should be at Sulochana, and he owes her or her family no apology, but I also think she owes him no gratitude.

I totally agree that she didn't ask her to help him out. And he really did what he did because he wanted to clear his own name. Ok even if she hadn't thanked him, she should have acknowledged that it did help her to clear her own name. Her sense of love and care for her adopted family is highly misplaced and I want that acceptance from her at some point of time. But instead I am sure they will sweep it all below the carpet. Bcoz hse after all the FL and this is an ITV show and FLs are never wrong.

PS: See I am neither Pallus fan or Raghavs fan! I watch the show and I call out whenever I feel things are highly misplaced!!

I completely agree. Pallavi has no bad bone in her. She’s a genuinely good spirited girl, with a pure soul. She doesn’t even cause harm to people who have hurt her. She’s so soft and naive too. Almost like she doesn’t belong to this cruel world. A good example is what Raghav did to her - she gave him a second chance. I’ve always been worried about her mahanta not because it annoys me but more coz I feel it will land her in great trouble. The night of the confrontation was just big talk from her. She has no idea how she’ll get back at him because she’s not the kind to do such things. Even her dialogue in the wedding promo- I knew she will not succeed. She gave him a cold shoulder but that too didn’t last for a long time. That’s Pallavi. The chili incident was innocent too. I also knew that Raghav already figured it out as he ate the food but he continued eating just for her satisfaction. The man is reeking with guilt and I’m happy we got a redemption arc for his character. Most shows forget that the ML was a douche bag and make him wallow in self pity when he finds out the FL was right. Then with lazy writing without apologies, the ML hopes the FL will fall in love with him. Raghav by far is a different character, he’s not holding such hopes yet, because he knows it’s a long process and he’s hes long to go the extra mile for her. He is destructive and doesn’t hold back. I also agree that Raghav is a great judge of character and gets blinded when it comes to his family. Otherwise he’s too sharp to be taken as a fool. The only difference is that Raghav has a nice family and Pallavi has a toxic family and it will take her time to realize her worth, and that she too can be loved without any strings attached. The D’s as I believe have always used her and also emotionally drained her.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

One of the most adorable thing about Pallavi's character is her childlike innocence. For all her big words like 'tumhara kaal banke aaungi' and 'tumhare paison se tumhara ghamand todungi', the girl doesn't have a vindictive bone in her body. Remember that scene the morning after the abortion fiasco, where Raghav and Pallavi meet outside her house and she's on her scooter? It splatters a little mud on his car, and she gives such a victorious smile, as if this has been some big lesson for him. Now also, with the mirchi, she chose something that I've made my own friends do during games of truth and dare. She's too good at heart to carry ahead with any actual 'revenge'- and Raghav knows it. Which is why he just smiled and laughed and said 'bring it on' when she gave that 'saat janmon tak yaad rakhoge' waala dialogue at the abortion clinic after the revelation. That's why he was so conflicted when he thought she was guilty, her doing something so damaging doesn't make sense, and unlike Pallavi, Raghav is a great judge of character. But like Pallavi, he too is blinded by love for his family and it gets in the way of rational thought, and again unlike her, he actually does know how to be vindictive and destructive, and that's exactly how he responded.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Not gonna lie..that was excruciatingly long..but worth it :) Is it the show or the general decorum of this forum that encourages awesome writers like yourself to pen down their thoughts? I'd like to think its a bit of both.. 😊

About your post, agree with most part..all of it actually maybe except about the part on Ayi. Not only do I not doubt her genuine affection for Pallavi but I also think that she did everything in her capacity as a mother to see to it that Pallavi doesn't miss a mother figure in her life, not just be words but by actions too.. She always stood up for her, be it against Sulochana or even her own husband..I can't imagine what a real blood related mother could have done differently than what she did..she was even ready to walk out on her husband..even now it's only Vijay's health issue that is stopping her from voicing her opinion openly which is understandable. I think she did everything a parent possibly can to instill that confidence in Pallavi, where she should not have to think twice before sharing her problems with her but its Pallavi's nature or the way ITV FL's are portrayed in general where they try to be superwoman and handle everything on their own.. I think that is the main reason for her being upset with Pallavi, which she shared with Milind too..not that she doesn't trust Pallavi..she trusted her even without Raghav giving any proof of her innocence..She was genuinely happy for Pallavi when she saw Raghav stand up for her infront of her own husband..that just goes to show how magnanimous she is .. Right now she is hurt because she feels failure as a mother who was unable to be be there for her daughter when she unilaterally decided to sacrifice everything for them.. its not always the parent's fault..is what I think in this case.. Rest everything I agree with..

Haha, thanks for making it through the excruciatingly long essay. I promise to work on brevity next time 🙈

I get what you're saying. I was on the fence with Sharda through most of the show, but idk, she let me down post-wedding. Unlike Vijay, she understands what circumstances the wedding happened under, and I don't doubt her love for Pallavi... but I'm again falling down to impact and not intent with her. Sure. she stood up for Pallavi and Raghav in front of Sulochana and Amrutha, and it was sweet to see her pray today and instinctively include her daughter and son-in-law. But Pallavi is so alone right now. I understood her anger when Jaya took Pallavi to meet her the day after the wedding, even the cold behavior when Pallavi called her after Raghav's panic attack. From where she's standing, Pallavi has ruined her own life purely due to stubbornness. But parents don't scold, get angry at, lash out at children who mess up- they don't cut them off like this, especially when they suspect that they're trapped in a miserable situation. And I think what left me most put off was the fact that she didn't even melt after Raghav told her that Pallavi had been very sick, and just calling out for her mom in that state. Even after that, she managed to turn away Pallavi's request for a simple hug.

I wish she had at least just hinted some love and support towards the poor girl- she's a mess, and it would do wonders for her mental health, even if she hints that support secretly, like Milind did to Raghav.

Originally posted by: Keerthi.02

Great post op. Agree with most of your points. Dont have anything else to add except below.

I have read many POVs praising aayi with her removing sindoor and walking out act. I appreciate her for supporting pallavi and truly considering a daughter. But I would have loved the character had she justified the act saying she believed Pallavi to be right or at least said Pallav needs her right now. Or something like you how dare you try to emotionally blackmail me. Anything but a woman would choose her children between children and suhaag. It was not right on her part to compare and rank relationships.

Well there were more terrible things we were struggling with than these smaller things. But I just consider this significant in case mandhar returns - where would aayi place him. In her ranking of relationships mandhar would be the top as he is the first born and he is the one who has made her a mother.

Would she still be capable giving the love pallavi currently gets and raghav would win over in some time. And God help Raghvi if he comes back with some injury and had a genuine reason for disappearance.

Fully agree. My bigger takeaway from that scene though was her just calling the bluff- that he's all words and isn't gonna act on these suicidal threats. So often we get to see wives have mini-panic attacks on TV at their husbands just joking about death, and here she's like, you can't blackmail me with all that, marna hai to maro, but I'm not siding with you here. But yeah, I also wish it was more about who was right and who was wrong in that moment, and not about husband vs child.

Originally posted by: Diya2021

Brilliant post. Loved reading it and a special appreciation for your patience in analysing and writing in such detail. Keep posting.

wow, went through some of the pages and many replies are all so long. Is there any way to bookmark this post so that I can read each reply in leisure 😄 This is what I like this forum. So many different views to read and it makes the watch more interesting.

Thank you! Yes, this forum is so engaging! I look forward to reading people's takes here as much as I look forward to the episodes themselves..makes the experience exponentially better!

Originally posted by: Radiant_Eyes_

Loved the post ❤️

I always wanted Makers to show little more of Pallavi’s struggle / pain of being orphan via Her childhood Flashbacks and FBs of days when ppl troubled her for being young widow and how Deshmukhs supported her

Only then her D fam love would atleast be understood 🤪

Right now we have seen Raghav’s painful past so his yearning for his Amma and doing extreme stuff makes kinda sense to us

Atleast audience understands why he behaves in a certain way 😆

Infact they’re showing his sub conscious self too now

There’s not much background shown of Pallavi nor are her inner thoughts explored much

So as a character she is lil hard to relate to 😆

Both characters are precious but flawed ❤️

I hope like this arc is for Raghav’s growth

Next one will be for pallavi’s growth ❤️

There's so much to explore with Pallavi's past, but tbh I'm keeping expectations low. From past experience, I think such shows give significantly better writing to the male lead, and especially with what a breakout hit Raghav has been, I doubt we'll get much on Pallavi's history. I'd love to know about her life with her brother. when and how her sister-in-law entered the dynamic, how she and Mandaar met. In that confrontation between her and Raghav after he finds out the truth, she says something along the lines of 'bohot pyaar se in rishton ko seeja hai' and 'bahu se beti tak ka safar', and that was probably the one moment where I genuinely understood her love for the family, else it seemed so senseless. Another great scene was her telling Krishna how Mandaar never had any expectations of her being a perfect homemaker, but he wanted her to be a true member of the family. I'd love to see more such scenes delving into Pallavi, but let's see what we get.

I'd love to see Pallavi's growth next!! You know, I'm so uneasy about this Raghav-in-Deshmukh-house arc, because I'd like for it to end with Pallavi realizing they're not gods, but I'm so scared that it will end with Raghav also doing Deshmukh-bhakti and singing their praises. The makers have been great at subverting expectations so far, so I really hope they prove my fears baseless here.

Originally posted by: vimeo

I totally agree that she didn't ask her to help him out. And he really did what he did because he wanted to clear his own name. Ok even if she hadn't thanked him, she should have acknowledged that it did help her to clear her own name. Her sense of love and care for her adopted family is highly misplaced and I want that acceptance from her at some point of time. But instead I am sure they will sweep it all below the carpet. Bcoz hse after all the FL and this is an ITV show and FLs are never wrong.

PS: See I am neither Pallus fan or Raghavs fan! I watch the show and I call out whenever I feel things are highly misplaced!!

Hmm, well I think I disagree because why should she acknowledge that he inadvertently helped her when she didn't want that help? Like, an acknowledgement would be warranted, say, had Pallavi been on a mission to clear her name, told Raghav to stay out of it because she can do it herself, and he ended up indirectly helping out. She didn't want the help, she didn't want that end result, she didn't want her name cleared. It's pretty senseless of her and I wanted to reach into the screen and shake some sense into her. but that's where her mind was, so what was there for her to acknowledge or appreciate?

I think we see hints of Pallavi's realization that the Deshmukhs aren't perfect every now and then- I liked that she acknowledged today the Vijay was equally at fault for the escalation between him and Raghav, and stopped him from apologizing more out of concern for his self respect and Sharda's rising stress levels than for Vijay's stress. We have also seen her lash out at Mansi and Sulochana. But I also do fear we'll never get actual acceptance of the true nature of her shitty so-called family, because like you said, ITV doesn't do that :(

I'm with you on not being on either character's 'team' while watching a show! It helps that they've both been shown to have good and bad qualities, pure intentions, and genuine regret for their mistakes. Often, in a bid for high-voltage drama, one character crosses far too many lines, and then when you fall into the loop of being completely on one side, it becomes hard to enjoy the couple, because the debate of who does or doesn't deserve the other overpowers.

Originally posted by: Viewpoint

I completely agree. Pallavi has no bad bone in her. She’s a genuinely good spirited girl, with a pure soul. She doesn’t even cause harm to people who have hurt her. She’s so soft and naive too. Almost like she doesn’t belong to this cruel world. A good example is what Raghav did to her - she gave him a second chance. I’ve always been worried about her mahanta not because it annoys me but more coz I feel it will land her in great trouble. The night of the confrontation was just big talk from her. She has no idea how she’ll get back at him because she’s not the kind to do such things. Even her dialogue in the wedding promo- I knew she will not succeed. She gave him a cold shoulder but that too didn’t last for a long time. That’s Pallavi. The chili incident was innocent too. I also knew that Raghav already figured it out as he ate the food but he continued eating just for her satisfaction. The man is reeking with guilt and I’m happy we got a redemption arc for his character. Most shows forget that the ML was a douche bag and make him wallow in self pity when he finds out the FL was right. Then with lazy writing without apologies, the ML hopes the FL will fall in love with him. Raghav by far is a different character, he’s not holding such hopes yet, because he knows it’s a long process and he’s hes long to go the extra mile for her. He is destructive and doesn’t hold back. I also agree that Raghav is a great judge of character and gets blinded when it comes to his family. Otherwise he’s too sharp to be taken as a fool. The only difference is that Raghav has a nice family and Pallavi has a toxic family and it will take her time to realize her worth, and that she too can be loved without any strings attached. The D’s as I believe have always used her and also emotionally drained her.

As much as Pallavi needs to distance herself from her blind love for her family, don't you think Raghav should too? Like, his is definitely less abrasive on the surface, but they don't seem like 'family' either. As enraging as it was to see Vijay tell Raghav that he should have been killed as soon as he was born, his own mother said the very same thing to him in one of the earlier episodes- it's so damn gross. When she was ill, and he was running pillar to post to help her, she said she'd rather die than take his help. This kind of emotional abuse has been going on for, what, a decade? And then to use his love for him to bind him into a loveless marriage with someone he hates, just because you think you know better? Yeah, it worked out because Raghav and Pallavi are the leads of this love story, but imagine if it didn't? Just like we call out MLs who force FLs into weddings, the men shouldn't be forced to marry against their will either.

And I also think that the reason that Keerti's relationship with Raghav feels so detached is because Keerti would have been so young when Raghav was estranged, she's grown up with Jaya spewing that kinda venom about her brother, where will she develop love and affection overnight from?

Just like Raghav being regretful for a few days isn't enough to make up for what he did to Pallavi, Jaya's newfound maternal warmth after the wedding is so terms-and-conditions-apply, I don't think it compensates for how she's treated him for years. When the truth comes out about his past, he better actually be really guilty, else I find Jaya to be a terrible mom. He lost family members to death, and then lost the alive ones as well.

I actually was more interested in Jaya's reaction to his severe illness today rather than Pallavi's. I found her concern and worry so hard to digest. You're panicking so much today, what if he'd consumed mirchi and died two months ago, back when you were explicitly telling him you wish he was dead? Would she have cared? Does his worth, in her life, come from the fact that he's married and trying to be a better person, else he could live or die for all she cares?

Oh yes definitely Raghavs amma has had a drastic change after the change of actor. She never wanted to talk to him and blamed him for his father and brothers death. Amma has definitely played by her cards and Raghav has been forced as much as Pallavi has been forced. It’s also hard for me to understand ammas concern coz she seems to have taken a complete turn. Raghav must have been ill and lonely so many times in a decade and and If she did not care then, I don’t get how she cares now. Her character is something the entire forum has been discussing. What Raghav really needs to do is clear his name because he’s literally soaking in so much guilt right now that if amma tells him to give his life, he will. We don’t know if he was responsible for the destruction in his past but yes he was involved and it was an issue with some girl. He doesn’t live for himself so in that’s context, they are toxic because as family they’ve never really reached out to Raghav emotionally. Keerti was always cold towards him but she’s changed as well. There’s been some character changes in them, and I think it’s due to the need to bring them in the same frame.

It’s also why I don’t want amma to be the catalyst of their love story. They’re two mature adults and can develop feelings without amma always trying very hard. She’s already emotionally blackmailed Raghav enough times. If they sit down for once and think of what he goes through, they’ll probably realize their follies. But Raghav is known to hold it all in.

In this context, both Raghav and Pallavi have families they would die for, but their respective families don’t care about them as much. Both of them are lonely people and we can only hope that the story progresses in a way which allows both of them to be each other’s friend and family. A friend they never had, and a family they both craved for.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

As much as Pallavi needs to distance herself from her blind love for her family, don't you think Raghav should too? Like, his is definitely less abrasive on the surface, but they don't seem like 'family' either. As enraging as it was to see Vijay tell Raghav that he should have been killed as soon as he was born, his own mother said the very same thing to him in one of the earlier episodes- it's so damn gross. When she was ill, and he was running pillar to post to help her, she said she'd rather die than take his help. This kind of emotional abuse has been going on for, what, a decade? And then to use his love for him to bind him into a loveless marriage with someone he hates, just because you think you know better? Yeah, it worked out because Raghav and Pallavi are the leads of this love story, but imagine if it didn't? Just like we call out MLs who force FLs into weddings, the men shouldn't be forced to marry against their will either.

And I also think that the reason that Keerti's relationship with Raghav feels so detached is because Keerti would have been so young when Raghav was estranged, she's grown up with Jaya spewing that kinda venom about her brother, where will she develop love and affection overnight from?

Just like Raghav being regretful for a few days isn't enough to make up for what he did to Pallavi, Jaya's newfound maternal warmth after the wedding is so terms-and-conditions-apply, I don't think it compensates for how she's treated him for years. When the truth comes out about his past, he better actually be really guilty, else I find Jaya to be a terrible mom. He lost family members to death, and then lost the alive ones as well.

I actually was more interested in Jaya's reaction to his severe illness today rather than Pallavi's. I found her concern and worry so hard to digest. You're panicking so much today, what if he'd consumed mirchi and died two months ago, back when you were explicitly telling him you wish he was dead? Would she have cared? Does his worth, in her life, come from the fact that he's married and trying to be a better person, else he could live or die for all she cares?