Understanding Pallavi: The Deshmukhs, Raghav, and her Redemption? - Page 4

Originally posted by: ImHemangi

ok now as read you full good essay happily , first i want to welcome such a genius silent member in our family wholeheartedly🤗 please to welcome you on board❤️

as i read you full essay you need to read my too🤣 vrna hum katti ho jayenge😆

1. You said i penned down my fews words🤣, you have written full essay of almost 90 complete episodes and push me to read saying few words🤣🤣 naughty girl

2. You said in very first line about deshmukh that you hate all of them. you won the heart of whole fandom❤️👍🏼 they are indeed trashmukhs

3. The real line about each characters chipaku bwa milind and 🐍( mansi) and nikhil

4. I m rooting you for your line that SD n VD never deserves the title aae and baba 🥳👏👏👏 so true girl aae and baba are not just word but whole life for any human being

5. Your explaination about sharda empty words to share her childs insecurity are bang on🥳👏 perfectly true she never provide that motherly security to dumbo(pals) and yes totally agree she is indebted not bcz love but for giving her shelter and provide shield from social stigma bcz she herself didn’t experienced family before.

perfectly said about VD’s mistrust on her n questioning RR about their relation and then bwlieving him showed us ( VD is not only kan ka kacha ,dimag ka dumb , ankhon ka andha so all in all we called him handicapped not physically but mentally👍🏼)( here handicapped is not used in any negative term or to make a fun of any individual but just representing situation word, kindly consider)

6. coming to her and RR relation i think your more on her pov rather than dual relation so explained point as just dumbo’s pov not real senarios so far

7. They are showing redemption before love is the extremely beautiful part and yes you very explained that👍🏼

8. I agree she has started melting with him already and i m completely ok with that.

And here we start with you and me disagreement over dumbo redemption track

1. yes they are not perfect, no one is perfect infact every human kind is grey or other shades can’t be total B/W or perfect. here lies the ans...as they both are not perfect we need redemption for both ,one is already doing in great ways and the concept of his accepting his mistakes and proudly announcing in front of world that i was wrong n i will redeem needs great or i would say tremendous amount of courage which merely few of us have, and RR, the man of values had that courage so kudos to him🥳 he ll surely do it great till the end n forever consider his learnings as lesson for life

2. She needs redemption for her brother first, in whom’s lap she opened her eyes in this beautiful world and no matter how but he raised her with great efforts without parents and gives her great value added upbringing, best moral values, taught her every good things , so he is parent figure for her but for in-debt and insecurities she totally disrespect the best relation god had ever gifted her for her long 22 years ( don’t you want redemption for this tell me)

3. from very first day keerti is person who always stand by her , as good friend never at a single point when keerti question her nor take her for granted till date but this dumbo always took her for granted ( if you called this a friendship or dumbo’s mahanta then sorry i can’t agree with you )

she never even said thank you to the girl, who selflessly help her to shoot n complete that web portal work against her own brother ( you accept aur not all these behaviour of dumbo with her own blood brother n keerti made her hypocrite)

4. She needs redemption for jaya and keerti’s misery bcz if she thinks rr is responsible for chipaku and mansi’s scene then she is equally responsible for amma-keerti scene too bcz in both cases in case 1 RR didn’t do anything but she consider him guilty till date so in case 2 she didn’t do anything but we call consider her guilty till she ll apologise to amma-keerti for the jail trauma and society misdeeds ( you can’t say only rr to redeem bcz he tarnish her image, her so called loved cause the same to his fam too and she needs to redeem bcz she stated him guilty without reason)

5. she hv to redeem to RR for her nonsense talks of badla , my family is never wrong, you enter in my life destroy everything (sorry big no no no .... you can’t clap with single hand ... if he is wrong there , she was equally reciprocating those adverse situations.. and finally the result was her dignity being crashed bcz the reason for his act was equally dignity of his mom-sis crashed so we can’t take only dumbo’s dignity at priority and leave’s other ladies dignity at side.

PS: So all in all this was best discussion we had, i read your full piece so now read my counter part and open for your views 👍🏼....

Love that you took out the time to respond in such detail!! ❤️🤗

To be honest, I hadn't planned to write so much, but once I started, the thoughts didn't stop 😅😅Oops.

Who doesn't hate the Deshmukhs? Duniya ki har buri quality dhoondh-dhoondh kar daal rakhi hai inmein. Pallavi toh nikal aayi, Nikhil ko bachao in logon se koyi, pyaara baccha hai. Truly though, a commendable job by the actors for successfully making us hate them so much. I agree, 'Aai' and 'Baba' aren't words to be thrown around. I am lucky enough to have amazing, supportive parents. No matter what goes wrong in my life, I can talk to them. My mom doesn't have to tell me again and again that she's here for me, I know it because that's how they've always acted. Khair, I'll not go down this route further. Ek aur essay na ban jaaye, let me save it for another day.

When I said Pallavi doesn't need a redemption arc, I meant it in terms of her dynamic with Raghav. I do think she needs to get a bit smarter, and soon. If this hasn't been enough of a wakeup call for her, what will be? She needs to become a better judge of character. Her Dada and Vahini were spot-on with their understanding of what a hell-hole the Deshmukh family is for her. I believe their track had to be cut short because of the move to Hyderabad and limited cast/crew, but I fail to understand why she seemingly has no affection for them. She was just heading off to them in Kohlapur- ek phone call dikha dete toh kya jaata? If the restrictions were too much, it could have been one-sided, where we just hear Pallavi speaking to them. Till today, that's been her true family- Dada, Vahini, Krishna, Keerti and Nikhil. We've seen her go above and beyond just for Nikhil. I definitely want to see her demonstrate her love for the others as well, so I do agree with all the points you've made on that front!

As for Jaya and Keerti's miseries, as I wrote, I am quite disappointed to not have seen an interaction between Keerti and Pallavi. Since we didn't see even a second of the conversation between Jaya and Pallavi when Pallavi finds out the truth, I'm assuming she responded kindly, which would be in character for her. I wish we'd seen that interaction, but at least we know it happened. But as I said, Pallavi's response to Raghav in the abortion incident was selfish and wrong. The fault lay with Sulochana and Amrutha, and she should have blamed them. Similarly, I'd be hypocritical to hold Pallavi accountable for her family's mistakes. While I'm quite unsatisfied with the resolution of this track, if the Rao family themselves has decided to move on, well, that's their call.

Pallavi has said some cruel things to Raghav, but he's never held back in giving it back to her. So as far as the two of them go, Pallavi is still the victim in my opinion. Neither the impact nor the intent of her errors measures up against his, so at the moment, I don't see her need to redeem herself. However, who knows what the future will bring?

Not gonna lie..that was excruciatingly long..but worth it :) Is it the show or the general decorum of this forum that encourages awesome writers like yourself to pen down their thoughts? I'd like to think its a bit of both.. 😊

About your post, agree with most part..all of it actually maybe except about the part on Ayi. Not only do I not doubt her genuine affection for Pallavi but I also think that she did everything in her capacity as a mother to see to it that Pallavi doesn't miss a mother figure in her life, not just be words but by actions too.. She always stood up for her, be it against Sulochana or even her own husband..I can't imagine what a real blood related mother could have done differently than what she did..she was even ready to walk out on her husband..even now it's only Vijay's health issue that is stopping her from voicing her opinion openly which is understandable. I think she did everything a parent possibly can to instill that confidence in Pallavi, where she should not have to think twice before sharing her problems with her but its Pallavi's nature or the way ITV FL's are portrayed in general where they try to be superwoman and handle everything on their own.. I think that is the main reason for her being upset with Pallavi, which she shared with Milind too..not that she doesn't trust Pallavi..she trusted her even without Raghav giving any proof of her innocence..She was genuinely happy for Pallavi when she saw Raghav stand up for her infront of her own husband..that just goes to show how magnanimous she is .. Right now she is hurt because she feels failure as a mother who was unable to be be there for her daughter when she unilaterally decided to sacrifice everything for them.. its not always the parent's fault..is what I think in this case.. Rest everything I agree with..

Great post op. Agree with most of your points. Dont have anything else to add except below.

I have read many POVs praising aayi with her removing sindoor and walking out act. I appreciate her for supporting pallavi and truly considering a daughter. But I would have loved the character had she justified the act saying she believed Pallavi to be right or at least said Pallav needs her right now. Or something like you how dare you try to emotionally blackmail me. Anything but a woman would choose her children between children and suhaag. It was not right on her part to compare and rank relationships.

Well there were more terrible things we were struggling with than these smaller things. But I just consider this significant in case mandhar returns - where would aayi place him. In her ranking of relationships mandhar would be the top as he is the first born and he is the one who has made her a mother.

Would she still be capable giving the love pallavi currently gets and raghav would win over in some time. And God help Raghvi if he comes back with some injury and had a genuine reason for disappearance.

Brilliant analysis! Thank you so much!

Brilliant post. Loved reading it and a special appreciation for your patience in analysing and writing in such detail. Keep posting.

wow, went through some of the pages and many replies are all so long. Is there any way to bookmark this post so that I can read each reply in leisure 😄 This is what I like this forum. So many different views to read and it makes the watch more interesting.

Originally posted by: Keerthi.02

Great post op. Agree with most of your points. Dont have anything else to add except below.

I have read many POVs praising aayi with her removing sindoor and walking out act. I appreciate her for supporting pallavi and truly considering a daughter. But I would have loved the character had she justified the act saying she believed Pallavi to be right or at least said Pallav needs her right now. Or something like you how dare you try to emotionally blackmail me. Anything but a woman would choose her children between children and suhaag. It was not right on her part to compare and rank relationships.

Well there were more terrible things we were struggling with than these smaller things. But I just consider this significant in case mandhar returns - where would aayi place him. In her ranking of relationships mandhar would be the top as he is the first born and he is the one who has made her a mother.

Would she still be capable giving the love pallavi currently gets and raghav would win over in some time. And God help Raghvi if he comes back with some injury and had a genuine reason for disappearance.

@bold- Glad you brought it up. That line where she says "agar aurat ko pati aur bacho mein se kisi ek ko chunna ho to wo bacho ko chunti hai " was wrong. It was poor writing in my opinion. What the line there should have been is that " jab insaan ko sahi aur galat mein se kisi ek ko chunna ho, to use hamesha sahi ko hi chunna chahiye, chahe uska matlab usko apne pati ke khilaf khade hona hi kyu na ho ya wo rasta kitna bhi mushkil kyu na ho" Her supporting Pallavi that night or walking out on her husband, should not have to do with who is who, husband or daughter, its about choosing right or over wrong. I think its the dialogue writers mess up coz everythhing else she said about sindur and the obligations that come with it, were bang on.

Originally posted by: ReemShah

i think most of the points you have mentioned here are true--and I loved the fact how detailed your analysis was

I really loved what you have said from Pallavi's pov---and Raghav has done all the things intentionally (he should know that his actions would have caused great damage not just to Pallavi but everyone related to her)

and cheers everyone here hates Deshmukh clan

Raghav has long way to go to convince Pallavi--only because of the reason that his actions were delibrate and intentional and not for some silly fun or prank...and it took a lot of time for him to agree with the fact he has to redempt for his action and didn't agree he took a wrong decision

Pallavi--her actions unintentional (didn't know abt Raghav's allergy) was just wanting to take a revenge for insulting her family( because for her they are god)--and mirchi is not a common allergy which you can find everyday and Pallavi's redemption is be immediately after her actions unlike Raghav

After today's episode, I'm completely fine with how they resolved this! She immediately regretted, and was there to nurse him back to full health. Their dynamic at night was so cute. My favorite part was Pallavi's acknowledgment that it was both Raghav and Vijay who escalated the issue. And she told him not to apologize, since Vijay is just going to unnecessarily insult him more. Her concern here was Raghav being insulted, and Sharda's stress from the turmoil at home, not Vijay. It reinforced my belief that she's well aware of her father's shortcomings, just overpowered by her love.

Originally posted by: masked

All right I have not watched these kind of shows.But seeing some promos & in the middle of one episode on TV I saw Raghav commenting to Pallavi that he's not gonna let her leave out of their wedding even if its a deal whatever so its a good sign.

As per the short Synopsis Raghav is an arrogant & Rich Businessman with Grey shades-Kind of like the Tadipaar SSO of Ishqbaaz whereas Pallavi if not an orphan still has that rebellious attitude within herself-somewhat like Anika.

In short its the attraction of Opposites even though there might be a clash of ideologies here.

While both the characters Raghav & Pallavi would have their separate or reunited Fan Clubs all I can say that unfortunately as has been the tradition of our Telly Land its incumbent upon the FL itself to change her mate-the Grey Shaded Hero.

So if Raghav has apologized & pledged to make things better for Pallavi with the condition that if he failed he would sign on the dotted line of Divorce within 1 month its pretty clear that he's not gonna leave her now.Don't know the name of Vamps or Villains here who would try to create troubles within their Budding Relationship but its upto the Raghvi Duo to tackle the same & sort out the mess here.

SSO or even the famous Arnav Singh Raizada had to break the norms of Patriarchy/Society & Other Boundaries to reclaim the Love for their respective Wives Anika & Khushi.

While the story of Raghav-Pallavi might be different from the above mentioned couples the common factor is even though their husbands/lovers came from elite backgrounds both Anika & Khushi were feisty enough to earn both the respect & the love from their husbands-SSO & ASR.

The moot question is Raghav needs to realize that if he's really serious about Pallavi then he needs to go beyond & above the extra mile for her.Shivaay & Arnav inspite of their Grey shades had always gone far beyond & above for both Anika & Khushi bcoz in their hearts they passionately loved their wives-Anika & Khushi.

Raghav has got the mind of an astute Businessman right-so he needs to be on the alert & not believe everything at Face value.The Vamps/Villains would always try to portray Pallavi's wrong side or even implicate her in some wrong situation where she might be there at the wrong time & at the wrong place unfortunately.

I was reading some aspect of Pallavi putting Chilli in Raghav's food under misconception & being bashed for the same but like Raghav there might be flaws in her character too.Raghav's arrogance is shaped by the past betrayals what it is I don't know otherwise he would not have been a Grey-shaded character in the first place.

No character can be totally ideal or perfect be it of any Genre-there would be some flaws however every immoral action cannot be excused or brushed aside.

Its pretty clear that Pallavi's presence in Raghav's life makes him an overall better person-when she was somewhat sick after their sudden wedding he took care of her by putting her under the Blanket.

The most basic flaw or problem when it comes to the Grey shaders is that in their Heart even if they feel a little bit of sympathy or budding love for the Girl their Cold-Heart outrightly dismisses such feelings bcoz of Status/Past Betrayals or other issues.

Both Pallavi & Raghav would have to work hard on their relationship-if Pallavi thinks that its just a one time deal then her efforts even if sincere would be half-hearted.As for Raghav does he really want some Lady Luck in his Boring life?

Its not about Love always-its sometimes about the commitment too.Raghav should not leave Pallavi at any cost if in this 1 month window he realizes that his future is with her only.Raghav unofortunately seems to have some Shivaay like Qualities-Shivaay inspite of loving Anika truly had almost lost her many times due to his overall arrogance/misplaced anger & stupidity.

Its not that Trails & Tribulations won't be there between the couple but if Raghav thinks before he acts then he won't ever lose the Love of his Life-Pallavi.

Thanks for such a detailed response, I really enjoyed reading it!

I have only watched Ishqbaaaz and IPK in the passing, so I can't comment on the similarities and differences in detail, but I agree that basic character templates do have some similarities. One stark difference I have noted has been that largely, Raghav has been more respectful of Pallavi's physical space than Gul's grey heroes tend to be. As far as I can recall, there's only been one scene where he grabbed and manhandled her, and within the same episode he made up for it. That was quite refreshing, and I hope it remains consistent even when the love story begins here. I hope we don't have to watch through more pushing and grabbing and pinning-against-walls scenes, and the makers choose better ways to show intimacy and chemistry, like they have so far. Baaki toh yeh tellywood ka mainstay hai- every other show is a take on the 'Beauty and the Beast' template. Angry young man with a troubled past. Feisty, upstanding girl who helps him heal. Pyaar, takraar and all that jazz. The shows that excel just execute this better than the shows that don't. As you mentioned, Gul's shows have definitely made their space in the hall of fame for pulling this off in a way that resonated with audiences. I am personally enjoying MHRW's take on it so far, and I hope the show succeeds in hitting similar levels.

Originally posted by: vimeo

Hey ya! That was a long post!! But articulated well.

I agree with you on most points, rather all the points except 1. The abortion fiasco. I can't believe she went off after Raghav like that inspite of him being helpful in clearing her name. Who wud in their right mind bother abt their extended family when in fact they themselves were being subjected to such utter callous accusations. She should have thanked Raghav first. And its not like he interfered in her personal space on his own. He was pulled into it... He wanted to clear his name too...

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I definitely feel Pallavi was both selfish and wrong in her reaction to that whole incident. I think her rage stemmed from both her helplessness at the storm that hit her family, and that she genuinely believed Raghav created the public spectacle deliberately, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. I also don't like that Jaya sent Raghav to apologize for this, and I'm glad it played out in a way that he didn't end up apologizing. He was an innocent bystander caught in this family's messy dynamics. However, beyond a point, while I disagree with Pallavi, I don't hold her guilty, per se, because she didn't actually act out in retaliation. Lambe lambe dialogue to bol daale, but jab usne kuch kiya hi nahi, toh kya ilzaam daalun uspe, beyond the fact that she needs to learn patience and critical thinking? I'm okay with her not thanking Raghav- he did what he did to clear his name, which he has every right to, but she (in her misplaced sense of love) was happy to carry the blame for Mansi's sake, and the situation imploded because of his tamasha. She never asked for or wanted him to clear her name. So yeah, she doesn't really have the right to be angry at him- if anything, she should be at Sulochana, and he owes her or her family no apology, but I also think she owes him no gratitude.

Originally posted by: Viewpoint

You’ve said it all and mirrored our thoughts! I am reserving this and will write more when I get to my laptop because I loved reading this so much, I’d love to speak about it in more detail.

I’ve not watched the episode yet but i think the chili part was just an innocent mischief on her side, she’s only human. She didn’t do it out of malice or it’s not like she knew he was allergic. If we can come to terms with Raghavs attempt to make things better, in comparison to what he’s done, Pallavis error is insignificant. If she’s getting hate for that, it’s quite disproportionate. I’ll watch and come back to comment.

One of the most adorable thing about Pallavi's character is her childlike innocence. For all her big words like 'tumhara kaal banke aaungi' and 'tumhare paison se tumhara ghamand todungi', the girl doesn't have a vindictive bone in her body. Remember that scene the morning after the abortion fiasco, where Raghav and Pallavi meet outside her house and she's on her scooter? It splatters a little mud on his car, and she gives such a victorious smile, as if this has been some big lesson for him. Now also, with the mirchi, she chose something that I've made my own friends do during games of truth and dare. She's too good at heart to carry ahead with any actual 'revenge'- and Raghav knows it. Which is why he just smiled and laughed and said 'bring it on' when she gave that 'saat janmon tak yaad rakhoge' waala dialogue at the abortion clinic after the revelation. That's why he was so conflicted when he thought she was guilty, her doing something so damaging doesn't make sense, and unlike Pallavi, Raghav is a great judge of character. But like Pallavi, he too is blinded by love for his family and it gets in the way of rational thought, and again unlike her, he actually does know how to be vindictive and destructive, and that's exactly how he responded.