The misogynistic dislike for Pallavi - Page 6

Originally posted by: Doc

Coz ladka bawla hugya hai pyaaar mei...

Taste buds kaam nhi ker rhe bechare k😁😁😁

taste buds kaam nahi kar rahe hain😱😱---koi Raghav ka test karvao--corona ho sakta hai🤣

but you said right--pyaar ka bukhaar hogaya hai use🤣

Originally posted by: Neha054

Lol, so true . Her character is not realistic . Its our fault for expecting too much from an ITV show.

In reality no sane woman would involve herself with someone like Raghav in the first place lol. I would keep away from him challenge or no challenge 🤣

Order of blame for these kind of things IMO

The audience themselves

The CVs

ITV

Star Plus

Ekta Kapoor.

🤣

It's not realistic at all. So have no realistic expectations from it. It's a fictional show with fictional character.

If he is supposed to be practical and blunt with skewed moral compass, she was supposed to be mahaan, and she is. And it's her idealism/mahaanta which is making Raghav go to lengths to redeem himself. He had to adjust his moral compass according to her, in order to be worthy of her. He isn't just doing this for her, but for himself and his relationships too. If she wasn't this good towards people and so committed towards her family, he wouldn't have felt the extreme respect he has for her now.

Exactly, in reality, we prefer our lives to be risk free, we never go to the extremes these characters put themselves through. These two are insane in their own set of character traits, that they can go to such extents to jeopardize the stability. The marriage itself is so unrealistic.

There are shows where people go to any lengths for their families or people they love, even doing illegal things and crime. They are unrealistic too but interesting. Like Ozark, Suits or How to get away with murder. But mostly it's a two-way street. Their families or the other person are worthy of that love. Sometimes even when they aren't worthy, it's portrayed as their emotional weakness, and characters themselves are aware of what they are doing. That makes the shows so interesting and you find yourself rooting for them. They shouldn't have made deshmukhs so weak, mostly all they do is lecturing, taunts and in-fights. Middle class families have strongest of characters and they can go at lengths in their fighting spirit. Vijay Deshmukh would have done just fine with being a morally uptight character with ego-cum-pride issues. It's their OTTness which puts people off. Like mujhe zeher de do, dhakka maar ke bahar nikaalna and all. Again ITV. 😉

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

Raghav gets a loads of free pass, because woh toh aisa hi hai. Personally more than the paisa throwing part and izzat uchhalna part on her, I found his offering money and deal part for marriage so insulting, because that wasn't something out of anger or revenge, it was how his character was, and it got free pass because woh toh aisa hi hai... Not to forget when he got her to sign the papers for shop...All of these can make you hate that person for life, because it's manipulation preying on your weaknesses, how easily can one trust that person? So I get it when Pallu is sceptical about his intentions... And chilli powder was just a silly prank gone wrong, nothing more... I was amused by her reaction to it, it's a progress from before.. This time she even thought Raghav would eat it, if she served it with sweetness, that itself is a progress. 😆😆

I like how Raghav Rao as a character is written, and the same cannot be said for Pallavi.. I loved her when used to be spunky, and so dedicated towards her saree shop and being the anchor of the family. But then came the abortion track, and then came the absurdity. Then they threw her out and then came the forceful marriage. 🤣🤣

Who can relate to such things? 🤣

There are so many times when one lead gets blamed in a love story, because of poor writing and because of enormous expectations from characters. It's totally okay if the people are not on same page in a love story. It's okay if one's love is more passionate than the other. Characters are characters, not wish fulfilling fairies.. If Pallavi is blind in her family love, that is what it is... You cannot do anything about that. It's an imperfect show with non relatable characters..Raghav was estranged by his own blood family for years, but in the end the family remains family... The same goes for deshmukhs.. Vijay wouldn't have been so hurt or so angry, if Pallavi was nobody to him... He is a toxic character, but he can have his own shades.. He gave his saree shop as a gift to Pallavi, even though in ego, he wouldn't have done that if she was nobody to him. He wouldn't have stopped talking about how Pallavi is, if she was nothing to him. And his mistakes are out there, as mistakes. There is no justification for them, period.

But relationships are complex and much beyond 'they-don't-deserve-her' and he-doesn't-deserve-her.. It's not about algorithm of who deserves whom, it's about your attachment to people. What's the point of life if you don't have people to share the joy of achievements with? You can't be too dependent on them, you need to have self respect, in that aspect Pallu is ready to sideline herself, because she puts relations before herself, I get that. However in today's age, such characters are hard to relate to, because you do get angry at people, you taunt them sometimes, you complain to them sometimes...Pallu hardly does any of that, to her in-laws.. Because she has made them sort of godly... Because they gave her something she craved for. She needs to understand that even parental relationships need understanding, trust and friendship, not just blind obedience and respect. If Vijay was like a father to her, he would have thought about her for a moment at least, why is she not disappointed in him? Why doesn't she expect anything from him? That's where her problem as a character lies, she doesn't have any bad feelings, even of small magnitudes towards deshmukhs... How is that possible? How can she not confront her own family members about the lack of trust, attachment from their side? How can she not ask them why they have given Sulo and Amrutha free pass in their home? But then, that would mean giving time to Pallavi as a character, which CVs are not able to. Right now she is just the female part in a love story, nothing more... Man why do I get so serious about characters ?🤣

Pallu as a character was always meant to be criticised with the labels like doormat, typical ITV FL and all.. It's part of the package for such characters.

It's just a show. People should just chill and enjoy the ride. Even I don't like Pallu when she goes on her idealism spree.. I would have loved her to not give a shit about the Raos or Deshmukhs and just get the f*** out of there.. 🤣🤣

I would have lodged a police complaint or made a media scandal out of the marriage if I was her.. Or rather I would have demanded compensation for ruining my life.. But she just put it mildly.. Because she is not me.. 😆 Chill hai bandi, second chance bhi de diya, ghamandi Rao ko apna bhi liya subconsciously.. Aur kya chahiye?? Agar Deshmukhs ke liye self respect side ki hai, toh Raghav ke liye bhi ki hai... People don't see that. Because Raghav said he was sorry, doesn't mean what he broke in her comes back. He did break her inner self. I mean that was epic humiliation for her from all sides.. To give that person a chance in marriage is a big deal... People don't see that.

Chalo, end of the rant. 😆

This rant deserves a separate thread. I agree whole heartedly with each and every word. There is no point in justifying one over the other honestly. Though I agree with the original post that its very common to see fans (mostly females) being way too lenient with the ML compared to the FL. One reason for that is because FL's are less relatable in today's age as you rightly pointed out..They typically have two versions- a doormat version for their families and a feisty version for their ''heroes''.. I wish they start writing the FL's character sketch that is more in sync with how women are in real life..women who can take a stand for themselves no matter who they are confronting. I would have loved to see Pallavi turn around and confront Vijay Deshmukh then and there and question his moral values, judgement and trust on her that was so weak that even an outsider could break it so easily. But somehow ITV are just not willing to take that risk. They want the FL to be respectful of their elders and families at all times and be forgiving no matter what which is what confuses the fans when she doesn't apply the same yardsticks to judge or in this case forgive the ''hero'' even if he does the most terrible things to her..

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

Order of blame for these kind of things IMO

The audience themselves

The CVs

ITV

Star Plus

Ekta Kapoor.

🤣

It's not realistic at all. So have no realistic expectations from it. It's a fictional show with fictional character.

If he is supposed to be practical and blunt with skewed moral compass, she was supposed to be mahaan, and she is. And it's her idealism/mahaanta which is making Raghav go to lengths to redeem himself. He had to adjust his moral compass according to her, in order to be worthy of her. He isn't just doing this for her, but for himself and his relationships too. If she wasn't this good towards people and so committed towards her family, he wouldn't have felt the extreme respect he has for her now.

Exactly, in reality, we prefer our lives to be risk free, we never go to the extremes these characters put themselves through. These two are insane in their own set of character traits, that they can go to such extents to jeopardize the stability. The marriage itself is so unrealistic.

There are shows where people go to any lengths for their families or people they love, even doing illegal things and crime. They are unrealistic too but interesting. Like Ozark, Suits or How to get away with murder. But mostly it's a two-way street. Their families or the other person are worthy of that love. Sometimes even when they aren't worthy, it's portrayed as their emotional weakness, and characters themselves are aware of what they are doing. That makes the shows so interesting and you find yourself rooting for them. They shouldn't have made deshmukhs so weak, mostly all they do is lecturing, taunts and in-fights. Middle class families have strongest of characters and they can go at lengths in their fighting spirit. Vijay Deshmukh would have done just fine with being a morally uptight character with ego-cum-pride issues. It's their OTTness which puts people off. Like mujhe zeher de do, dhakka maar ke bahar nikaalna and all. Again ITV. 😉

@bold red- this is what I had said earlier in some other thread.. Pallavi's blind devotion towards her family, as irritating and unrealistic as it may appear, is one of the main reasons for Raghav's admiration and respect for her.. A woman who can go to this length to take care of her saas sasur and her husband's family, who can be so devoted and selfless towards them, is the kind of woman Raghav would want his amma to have as her DIL.. she is the ideal bahu, sister in law and wife, an absolute keeper which justifies Raghav ''recaliberating'' his moral compass to be a better person for her and for them.. what started as a deal marriage is a way to fix everything in his life too besides making things right for her-his family is with him now and the all-consuming love that he was talking about in the first episode, he sees a possibility of that with her..

Originally posted by: RainbowUnicorm

I hear your pain TM. And this is not just this forum or show I have found that with many other shows , fandoms. People do ask for ML redemption, if and when it does come and he makes puppy eyes thats it, we expect the FL to forget all. I would say that the topic applies to many shows.

The thing is most Fandom consist of girls and women for the serials. Its natural that they show interest in ML, and once ML shows some sign of romance they cannot stay angry. Where as our FLs who tolerated a lot cannot drop it just like that.

It sometimes just scares me that we are look for romance in a forced marraige. Because in reality no girl or guy should be forced. But then 80% star plus shows are like this. Its sad truth that plain vanilla love stories don't work. And if ML is handsome and good actor then to forget it. !! The show is watched by girls of all age groups and everyone interprets this differently. I especially get scared when young girls romanticize bad behavior from male lead quoting his past life problems. Its never , never a girls responsibility to heal a guys past, or tolerate his bad behavior for that reason. Here Amma's insistence that RR marry Pallavi so she can improve him was one of the most intolerable thought processes to me.

In MHRW I am at glad at least the hero , if we should truly call him that , is trying to make up for mistakes taking a months time. This is a new for people because generally they don't even show that in other shows. Even his way of redemption is very high handed because he doesn't involve FL in his efforts with Ds, which he should. But just the fact that's he is trying has captured lot of hearts.

Personally for me , to accept thier marraige , they must remarry with FL choice. Thats why its important that Mandar come back, and Pallavi chooses whom to be with. Until then all his mein Pati hun dialogues don't hold water for me.

People say that Pallavi is treated better at Raos than at Deshmukhs.I don't think so at all. At Deshmuks she was their elder son , handling all the responsibilities. She had purpose in life. Working and shouldering ones own family does not make you a servant , it makes you a responsible child.

Here at Raos she is reduced to being RR's shadow, a big business mans wife. She has servants and no real responsibilities. RR helping her behind her back with clients also did not go down well with me..though many found it sweet on his part. Because now whatever she earns and becomes its with his help and thats not Independence really.. If she starts going out at night for office work like she did at Deshmuks won't the Raos rebuke her? I find the fire, sense of purpose in Pallavi gone after the marraige. Hope it comes back.

Its hilarious to me that people are blaming Pallavi on mirchi issue when it is Raghav who should have stopped eating that especially since he knows about his allergy.. Blind love for ML...😆

Dear TM, don't worry too much on this issue its there across the board for all shows.If majority audience is female , the sympathy is always towards ML.Also audience is conditioned by other star plus shows, FLs always being forgiving to ML. So the reactions. When tracks will change people's comments will change. And I found this forum pretty decent.

I completely agree with this. In most ITV shows, audience is more sympathetic to the ML. In fact this bad boy who's good at heart and needs girlfriend who is his therapist for free is a trope present everywhere. I'm tired of it, and I see real people who believe it and try to 'fix' someone. I'm glad that over her the repentance is genuine and isn't coming just because he is in love. [Another thing I hate, ML is bad to all women except the woman she loves because apparently only women you like deserve 'basic decency'. It's not cute. It doesn't make the women special, it just makes the ML a bad person] It's because he wronged her and deserves to make things right. It doesn't automatically make her owe him forgivness though.

I also feel like the audience is being very black and white in the Deshmukhs vs Rao debate. The relationships are much more nuanced than servant with D-fam and queen with the Raos. I feel like that deserves more discussion on another thread.

I also don't consider their marriage a marriage, and will not until Pallavi does. This show is still making efforts with showing redemption so I'm pretty sure they won't disappoint us ahead. Fingers crossed.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

This rant deserved a separate thread. I agree whole heartedly with each and every word. There is no point in justifying one over the other honestly. Though I agree with the original post that its very common to see fans (mostly females) being way too lenient with the ML compared to the FL. One reason for that is because FL's are less relatable in today's age as you rightly pointed out..They typically have two versions- a doormat version for their families and a feisty version for their ''heroes''.. I wish they start writing the FL's character sketch that is more in sync with how women are in real life..women who can take a stand for themselves no matter who they are confronting. I would have loved to see Pallavi turn around and confront Vijay Deshmukh then and there and question his moral values, judgement and trust on her that was so weak that even an outsider could break it so easily. But somehow ITV are just not willing to take that risk. They want the FL to be respectful of their elders and families at all times and be forgiving no matter what which is what confuses the fans when she doesn't apply the same yardsticks to judge or in this case forgive the ''hero'' even if he does the most terrible things to her..

Its just because its all fiction. 95% of the audience don't sit around and dig deep into characters. Why do people watch TV? To get entertained. Not to dig into characters. The producers put money into shows to earn profits. Sadly too real stories fail to earn decent profits. A reason to this is, people don't want to watch themselves on screen. They want to see a bit dramtic, a bit romantic, a bit ideal world. Something that real world isn't. As already pointed out, most of the audiences are females. A huge chunk of them are middle-aged. Naturally ML attracts them more than FL. Its kind of audience searching their dream partners in characters. In previous couple of decades, the audience was housewives. Saas-bahu drama attracted them, they found it relatable.

With kind of real-world people, show won't run very long. The excitement will blow out in weeks. There will be less scope for story development. For producers, it won't be worth of money. The only way to change this stance is to create demand for realistic characters and accept them when they are shown. After all, it's a business. they will supply what's demanded

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

Raghav gets a loads of free pass, because woh toh aisa hi hai. Personally more than the paisa throwing part and izzat uchhalna part on her, I found his offering money and deal part for marriage so insulting, because that wasn't something out of anger or revenge, it was how his character was, and it got free pass because woh toh aisa hi hai... Not to forget when he got her to sign the papers for shop...All of these can make you hate that person for life, because it's manipulation preying on your weaknesses, how easily can one trust that person? So I get it when Pallu is sceptical about his intentions... And chilli powder was just a silly prank gone wrong, nothing more... I was amused by her reaction to it, it's a progress from before.. This time she even thought Raghav would eat it, if she served it with sweetness, that itself is a progress. 😆😆

I like how Raghav Rao as a character is written, and the same cannot be said for Pallavi.. I loved her when used to be spunky, and so dedicated towards her saree shop and being the anchor of the family. But then came the abortion track, and then came the absurdity. Then they threw her out and then came the forceful marriage. 🤣🤣

Who can relate to such things? 🤣

There are so many times when one lead gets blamed in a love story, because of poor writing and because of enormous expectations from characters. It's totally okay if the people are not on same page in a love story. It's okay if one's love is more passionate than the other. Characters are characters, not wish fulfilling fairies.. If Pallavi is blind in her family love, that is what it is... You cannot do anything about that. It's an imperfect show with non relatable characters..Raghav was estranged by his own blood family for years, but in the end the family remains family... The same goes for deshmukhs.. Vijay wouldn't have been so hurt or so angry, if Pallavi was nobody to him... He is a toxic character, but he can have his own shades.. He gave his saree shop as a gift to Pallavi, even though in ego, he wouldn't have done that if she was nobody to him. He wouldn't have stopped talking about how Pallavi is, if she was nothing to him. And his mistakes are out there, as mistakes. There is no justification for them, period.

But relationships are complex and much beyond 'they-don't-deserve-her' and he-doesn't-deserve-her.. It's not about algorithm of who deserves whom, it's about your attachment to people. What's the point of life if you don't have people to share the joy of achievements with? You can't be too dependent on them, you need to have self respect, in that aspect Pallu is ready to sideline herself, because she puts relations before herself, I get that. However in today's age, such characters are hard to relate to, because you do get angry at people, you taunt them sometimes, you complain to them sometimes...Pallu hardly does any of that, to her in-laws.. Because she has made them sort of godly... Because they gave her something she craved for. She needs to understand that even parental relationships need understanding, trust and friendship, not just blind obedience and respect. If Vijay was like a father to her, he would have thought about her for a moment at least, why is she not disappointed in him? Why doesn't she expect anything from him? That's where her problem as a character lies, she doesn't have any bad feelings, even of small magnitudes towards deshmukhs... How is that possible? How can she not confront her own family members about the lack of trust, attachment from their side? How can she not ask them why they have given Sulo and Amrutha free pass in their home? But then, that would mean giving time to Pallavi as a character, which CVs are not able to. Right now she is just the female part in a love story, nothing more... Man why do I get so serious about characters ?🤣

Pallu as a character was always meant to be criticised with the labels like doormat, typical ITV FL and all.. It's part of the package for such characters.

It's just a show. People should just chill and enjoy the ride. Even I don't like Pallu when she goes on her idealism spree.. I would have loved her to not give a shit about the Raos or Deshmukhs and just get the f*** out of there.. 🤣🤣

I would have lodged a police complaint or made a media scandal out of the marriage if I was her.. Or rather I would have demanded compensation for ruining my life.. But she just put it mildly.. Because she is not me.. 😆 Chill hai bandi, second chance bhi de diya, ghamandi Rao ko apna bhi liya subconsciously.. Aur kya chahiye?? Agar Deshmukhs ke liye self respect side ki hai, toh Raghav ke liye bhi ki hai... People don't see that. Because Raghav said he was sorry, doesn't mean what he broke in her comes back. He did break her inner self. I mean that was epic humiliation for her from all sides.. To give that person a chance in marriage is a big deal... People don't see that.

Chalo, end of the rant. 😆

This rant is perfect. I agree with each and every word and cannot add more to this. 👏

Originally posted by: Ahlaam5

From what I can tell, a lot of the fanbase seem to be females and are willing to look the other way to all Raghav's faults.

But as soon as Pallavi unknowingly makes a mistake, the hatred/dislike for her is out of the stratosphere.

Ofcourse the more rational thing for Pallavi to do was ask for Raghav's side of the story and then talk it out instead of such petty revenge but he's lucky all he got was mirchi tbh.

I'm just tired of the blind worship for male leads.

I am so sorry but I can't help and point out your lines that you come here saying all this with the use of such heavy words such as misogyny and that his fanbase is toxic cause we are females.

First of all,

Yes, the fanbase is majorly female but yet everyone I have been talking to or read their post has never supported RR blindly. In fact, we all are happy with the difficult redemption track he is getting.

Secondly, we all are with pallu and no one has extreme hatred/dislike for her that is out of the stratosphere.

I don't know which forum have you been reading or where you are getting these ideas.

I have not met anyone here who is blindly worshipping the Male lead.

In fact, I don't know if you are a silent member here because I haven't seen your ID.

But I am very active on this forum and this fandom has the most chill and rational fans.

We all equally love and criticize the leads.

So please don't come here throwing heavy words at us without any base or reason.

In fact, I'm sorry to say you seem very biased to me rn and attacking the whole fandom in general.

Also if there are few people that you have found to be problematic, don't come attacking in general.

Not cool in my opinion.

Originally posted by: Shri_12

Its just because its all fiction. 95% of the audience don't sit around and dig deep into characters. Why do people watch TV? To get entertained. Not to dig into characters. The producers put money into shows to earn profits. Sadly too real stories fail to earn decent profits. A reason to this is, people don't want to watch themselves on screen. They want to see a bit dramtic, a bit romantic, a bit ideal world. Something that real world isn't. As already pointed out, most of the audiences are females. A huge chunk of them are middle-aged. Naturally ML attracts them more than FL. Its kind of audience searching their dream partners in characters. In previous couple of decades, the audience was housewives. Saas-bahu drama attracted them, they found it relatable.

With kind of real-world people, show won't run very long. The excitement will blow out in weeks. There will be less scope for story development. For producers, it won't be worth of money. The only way to change this stance is to create demand for realistic characters and accept them when they are shown. After all, it's a business. they will supply what's demanded

Haa ji bilkul. Demand hai tabhi supply hai. Be it films or TV, especially in India a set formula that works is what we get majority of the times.The risk of being able to or failing at striking the right balance between drama and reality, is not something everyone is ready to take..TRP pressure and the number game could be the reason everyone wants to play safe. Especially on TV, good hearted goon/don/bad guy falling for the self righteous and idealistic woman is something we have seen repeatedly and it still works because it has a certain appeal to it..the treatment of it can vary.. but ya at the end of the day its all fiction.. so its best to not fret too much over it.. but we at IF love to analyze and over analyze sometimes. 😆

Originally posted by: ImHemangi

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