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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Krishna already defeated jarasandh 18 times but he wanted permanent solution that's with his plan bheem killed jarasandh.

Draupadi Swayamvar was a crucial point where Arjuna and Bhima had defeated different kings, Bhima had uprooted a tree for Arjuna’s protection, this is where Krishna witnessed their power, Krishna didn’t need an army to kill Jarasandha, He asked Yudi to send Bhima and Arjuna with him -

Policy exists in me. Power exists in Bhima. Valour exists in Arjuna. O king! We will overcome him like three fires. If that lord of men is confronted by the three of us alone, there is no doubt that he will engage one of us in a duel. Out of contempt for the worlds and his pride in himself, he will certainly challenge Bhimasena to a duel. The mighty- armed and immensely strong Bhimasena is his match, like death is of the worlds that confront their destruction. If your heart knows and if you have confidence in me, then, without losing any more time, entrust Bhimasena and Arjuna to me.”’


Krishna or Pandavas didn’t take any army with them

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Draupadi Swayamvar was a crucial point where Arjuna and Bhima had defeated different kings, Bhima had uprooted a tree for Arjuna’s protection, this is where Krishna witnessed their power, Krishna didn’t need an army to kill Jarasandha, He asked Yudi to send Bhima and Arjuna with him -

Policy exists in me. Power exists in Bhima. Valour exists in Arjuna. O king! We will overcome him like three fires. If that lord of men is confronted by the three of us alone, there is no doubt that he will engage one of us in a duel. Out of contempt for the worlds and his pride in himself, he will certainly challenge Bhimasena to a duel. The mighty- armed and immensely strong Bhimasena is his match, like death is of the worlds that confront their destruction. If your heart knows and if you have confidence in me, then, without losing any more time, entrust Bhimasena and Arjuna to me.”’


Krishna or Pandavas didn’t take any army with them

Bheem was self sufficient one man army , arjun to backup plan tha😉

Why balram never killed jarasandh ?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

As it is stated that Pandu might have died long before birth of Yudi, We know Pandavas are not Pandu’s sons, The divine birth theory makes sense when one believes in divinity, It would have been easier for Everyone if Pandu had returned to his kingdom with his son, why didn’t he? He was the King

why wouldn’t people believe that Pandavas are his sons? They couldn’t perform a paternity test

It was propogated that Pandu would die if he tries to get intimate with a girl, now saying that Pandavas were his biological children would make people suspicious all the more. It would then be taken as Extra marital affair instead of Niyog. Accepting the children a Niyog birth result was a politically Better option, but then the biological fathers were a problem, I don't think biological fathers were someone great, they most probably were commoners (like Vidur was a DasiPutra and a Kshatta). Niyog kids of such fathers wouldn't have been taken as someone respectable especially when you have biological kids in competition. So this divine birth theory and story was the best option, because now the biological fathers can't be called for testimony

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Draupadi Swayamvar was a crucial point where Arjuna and Bhima had defeated different kings, Bhima had uprooted a tree for Arjuna’s protection, this is where Krishna witnessed their power, Krishna didn’t need an army to kill Jarasandha, He asked Yudi to send Bhima and Arjuna with him -

Policy exists in me. Power exists in Bhima. Valour exists in Arjuna. O king! We will overcome him like three fires. If that lord of men is confronted by the three of us alone, there is no doubt that he will engage one of us in a duel. Out of contempt for the worlds and his pride in himself, he will certainly challenge Bhimasena to a duel. The mighty- armed and immensely strong Bhimasena is his match, like death is of the worlds that confront their destruction. If your heart knows and if you have confidence in me, then, without losing any more time, entrust Bhimasena and Arjuna to me.”’


Krishna or Pandavas didn’t take any army with them

Actually the way they killed Jarasangh would have come under treachery.

They visited him as Brahmins and asked a duel as Daan.

Jarasangh could have selected Arjun or Krishna for wrestling and easily defeat them but as a true warrior he selected Bheem and finally was killed.

It wasn't a victory over Magadh it was just a deceitful murder of the king, they knew no one would support this, so they made Sahdev the king immidiately and arranged for Vijaya and (their) Sahdev's marriage so that there remains no point of conflict or chances for it later

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Draupadi's marriage to Krishna would mean for Drupad

1) Marriage to someone who isn't a king or crown prince. Their land has no king but a chief so no near possibility of becoming one soon

2) Alliance with a treacherous man, coward and murderer of a king

3) Enimity to Jarasangh the most powerful king of his time

4) Anger of multiple states including Chedi, Vidarbha, and Salwa. Kuru were already enemy. So it's like getting surrounded by enemies

Only positive outcome possibility of regaining Uttar Panchal and killing Drona, that too wasn't a must because Uttar Panchal was a Hastinapur protectorate and they had good terms with Jarasangh n his vassals, and hence no assurance that they would be successful. Aside I doubt Krishna himself would have been in mood to gain additional enemies at this stage

Why on the earth would Drupad accept this alliance

So true.

People if you believe Krishna is God almighty and Superhuman. Then I respect your belief.

No debates or arguments there.

For me he was a very brilliant but a normal human being. A great visionary and strategist. And his martial skills were limited too.

For a very simple reason. He never got the oppprtunity for a proper training from a proper guru. Sandipani was no martial teacher. And no one can learn something like Martial training in a few months.

He was a guerilla fighter who learned from experience. He was after all chased by assassins all his childhood and kept getting attacked rest of his life too.

He was good in single combats and smaller armies.

But honestly he had no knowledge of handling a large army like Arjun had.

I dont believe any skyey announcement stopped Balram from killing Jarasandh. He just couldnt.

It was not about killing Jarasandh. It was about the consequences that Krishna Balram would face after they killed Jarasandh. Just like they learned to their chagrin after they killed Kansa.

Killing Kansa did not solve their problem. It increased it 18 times.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Why balram never killed jarasandh ?

I don't think the narration we get is completely true. Why wouldn't they kill him after say the 7th attack if they were getting chances..

I think they were able to defend Mathura but were never in a position to actually kill Jarasangh.

The repeated attacks were weakening them so they decided to relocate

Originally posted by: Chiillii

So true.

People if you believe Krishna is God almighty and Superhuman. Then I respect your belief.

No debates or arguments there.

For me he was a very brilliant but a normal human being. A great visionary and strategist. And his martial skills were limited too.

For a very simple reason. He never got the oppprtunity for a proper training from a proper guru. Sandipani was no martial teacher. And no one can learn something like Martial training in a few months.

He was a guerilla fighter who learned from experience. He was after all chased by assassins all his childhood and kept getting attacked rest of his life too.

He was good in single combats and smaller armies.

But honestly he had no knowledge of handling a large army like Arjun had.

I dont believe any skyey announcement stopped Balram from killing Jarasandh. He just couldnt.

It was not about killing Jarasandh. It was about the consequences that Krishna Balram would face after they killed Jarasandh. Just like they learned to their chagrin after they killed Kansa.

Killing Kansa did not solve their problem. It increased it 18 times.

@Bold so true, killing Jarasangh would have actually angered his enemies more. This would have been suicidal for Yadavs

Even when Bheem finally killed him, he did it in Brahmin conceal so that no one attacks a Brahmin, immidiately made his son the king and got his daughter into their family. Killing a powerful king was never beyond repercussions

Krishna wouldn't have been accepted as emperor. Heck, he wouldn't have been accepted as king of Yadavas.

When Salwa attacked, Yadavas left Krishna alone to fight an army. Except for Pradyumna, no one helped. Pradyumna was wounded and unconscious. Krishna then finished the fight alone.

Drupada would never agree to a marriage between Krishna and Panchali. It was a lose-lose situation for Panchal. She'd have been happy. But when weighed against the alternative of hopefully ending the enemy once and for all, her personal happiness would hardly have counted, even for her.

Her marriage, Arjuna's marriages, Krishna's marriages... they were all political.

@Fp

Yes, Harivamsa says Ekanamsa grew up in Mathura, with all the freedom and education normally reserved for boys.