distorted.and dissatisfied things abt the epic , my view

Originally posted by: tina59

I am not happy with some of the things shown esp reg Krishna's manipulation and citing whatever drona, bheeshma and Karna have done as wrong.

for eg Lord Krishna says whatever drona did all his life was wrong when otherwise he was extremely supportive of the same when pandavas and drona were in the same side.

whenever Drona, Bheeshma and Karna were ready to fight square and fait in a battlefield, Krishna comes in between freezes everything and then somehow manipulates them into thinking that all they done in their entire life was wrong and only by dying they become mukth is just not acceptable to me.

in the case of karna, wheres the famous scene of Karna's greatness when Arjun's arrows turn into garlands where Krishna disguises into a saint and asks Karna to daan all his dharma's done so far, which he readily gives allowing Arjuna to finally kill him.

This was such a significant part showing Karna's goodness but they never showed that.

I also refuse to accept the entire fault of draupadi's humiliation was duryodhana's fault, it was equally the pandavas who could have just walked away when they were losing instead they not only went ahead and played but also put their wife for gamble.

it also looks like the pandavas entered the war only to take revenge for draupadi and not for righteousness .

for me god aside, Krishna and Shakuni were two sides of a coin. Both manipulated everyone around them to get what they want and never cared for right or wrong in the process.

The kauravas were not good people yes I agree but I place Pandavas in the same category as well, they too did a lot which i dont find fair. thats why I feel that placing them on a higher pedestal than the Kauravas was unacceptable to me. For me, both were the same.

Originally posted by: tina59

The pandavas for me were in the war only and only to take revenge for draupadi's humiliation and to fulfill her pledges and vows.

bhima's every single line was to talk abt revenge. Wasnt that a selfish motive, how is this dharma.

so for karna getting insulted all his life is not enough reason to prove his ability and get respect but Draupadi and the pandavas are right when all they seek is revenge for an act initiated by her husband yudhistir himself who could have just walked away but chose to gamble his wife.

Knowingly deceiving drona to believe that his son ashwathama is dead is fair?

Krishna spared Kunti who chose to hide the fact that Karna was her son from the world very well knowing all the insults and unfairness that were meted out to him. why didn't krishna stop the adharm then..

did you know that Karna had 9 , all but one was killed by the pandavas, arjun killed 3 unfortunately more importance is given to abhimanyu

duryodhana too had a son who was killed by the pandavas in war, lakshana his daughter gets married to krishna' s son

Krishna himself agreed with duryodhana that he had to use adharm ways to win the war coz drona, bheeshma and karna were invincible if fought fairly

where was Krishna's dharm when Draupadi insulted karna and rejected him coz of his low caste, when duryodhana was insulted when he comes as a guest to indraprastha

duryodhana and karna's friendship was genuine and not fake as krishna said to karna in todays episode.

its strange that for being such a " bad " person, duryodhana had friends who were ready to sacrifice their lives for him whereas the pandavas had none.

these last lines of duryodhana was true in my opinion

I have no interest in becoming a king now, I have lost all interests in this world which is fake and temporary, slain in battle I shall spend the rest of my afterlife in heaven in the company of my friends, relatives and well wishers. You defeated us by cheating and trickery, otherwise the likes of Bhishma, Drona, Karna amongst others were unconquerable. The victory which you obtained is not true victory and your names will bear black stains in the future. I have always been a good son, loyal friend, caring brother, and terrible enemy, while I lived I stamped my foot on the heads of those who dared oppose me in any way, I am happy to have died fighting and thank everyone who laid his life down for me, I die happy."

Originally posted by: ..Apz..

@bold I agree with you. I have always wondered why the entire blame of draupadi fiasco was put on Kauravas alone. Atleast they are adharmis and that is expected of them. What about the pandavas? What about Yudhishtir...who actually traded his wife. He used her like some property. Where did a pati's dharm towards his wife go then. The worst feeling is to see your trusted ones leave you to your situation without doing anything.The entire gyaan about social service and the pursuit of knowledge did sound awkward and unrealistic. I wish Madhav cited some example of a Suta who earned recognition and respect through the upliftment of society...then it would have sounded a little logical.

Originally posted by: bithamang

When Draupadi insulted Karna,Krishna said she has the right to reject anyone bcoz if karna won she has to marry him.So it's not draupadi's fault.

Originally posted by: ..Apz..

I did not say anything about Draupadi's insult to Karna. I was talking about her wonderful husbands who treated her like a commodity.

Originally posted by: kankabhor

I don't think so, In fact I liked this version of MB and Krishna telling everyone their mistakes before their death. Its makes much more sense than just killing them. At least before their death, they shoul know what their mistakes were and why they deserve this punishment.
As for Bhishma, what Krishna told him was exactly correct according to me. You may think its manipulation but Bhishma always consider his own oath is much more than society righteousness.He was in his bubble that he always followed Dharma which is bullshit. And before death, he should be aware of his mistakes.