Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??[DT Note Page 15] - Page 4

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well written! First of all, high 5! Even I read Mahabharata the first time in Class V in Bengali when I was 11 years old, or 10. And sadly my teacher was so very fond of what Tagore and others wrote on the text and kept on telling us about that, she did not complete the text with us. Thus, I read it myself. Before that my grandfather told me stories and all, and I had a thin illustrated Mahabharata in Bengali.
Amrita, I am sorry to say but the Mahabharata is the only way you can know Mahabharata. No facebook, no India Forums or nothing of which I or any other person says. (until you are talking to Ved Vyas which is umm.. impossible.) Ok, I don't have complete bad views about any character in the epic. That includes Karna. I am an Arjuna fan, and I dislike Karna or sometimes hate him but I respect some of his deeds in some places of the story! Atleast he had some amount of human quality. (Duryodhana too had some, but Karna had more for sure.)
And I agree with you, in the Draupadi case. Your statement was SO TRUE. Everybody thinks Panchali rejected Karna because he loved Arjun? What crap is that! That was by Starbharat as Frappie said in the first page! I don't blame her for rejecting Karna. I feel that that was not even close to anything wrong. If she does not like someone, does not feel like marrying one, Sutaputra or Kshatriya she can say no. Anyways, not extending coz this has been talked about many times.
But actually Karna has done more of bad than good, and his excuses for doing wrong is not convincing according to me. So, I dont like him.I am sorry if I offended anybody. But one more thing, I hate it when any character is unnecessarily bashed! Panchaali and Arjuna, Karna, all have been bashed unnecesarilly in many places (in and outside IF)! That is horrible!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Her manner at the Swayamvar was obviously wrong. She had all the right in the world to choose or deny the contestant, but, everybody knew that Karna was a Suta-putra, why didnt her brother tell him privately to not take part.

Draupadi could have used another reason for rejecting him or maybe give no reason at all, why didn't she reject him when he stood up, she rejected him when he was about to shoot and everybody, including the Pandavas, knew that Karna will strike it. She pointed at his Caste, on which he was constantly denied/insulted, he had a wound which was scraped by Draupadi, it was natural for him to get angry and feel insulted.

Did Karna dis-respect her during Swayamvar?, no he did not.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi5 brish!!!!!!
@watcher so r u trying to say she deserved what she got because she scrapped his wounds!?!? Firstly..we r talking abt dwapar yug where casteism was very prevalent. A marriage between a higher caste lady n a lower caste man was nt considered right. N the time of her refusal...hw does it matter?? She dint pln the moment. And yaa she did not have any ill intensions fr him while he had grudge ego n vengence on her ever since. his p********e statement is is a result of this which is NOT acceptable in ANY situation...
Edited by Paro95 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Her manner at the Swayamvar was obviously wrong. She had all the right in the world to choose or deny the contestant, but, everybody knew that Karna was a Suta-putra, why didnt her brother tell him privately to not take part.

Draupadi could have used another reason for rejecting him or maybe give no reason at all, why didnt she reject when he stood up, she rejected him when he was about to shoot and everybody including the Pandavas knew that Karna will strike it. She pointed at his Caste, on which he was constantly denied/insulted, he had a wound which was scraped by Draupadi, it was natural for him to get angry and feel insulted.

Completely agree.
Isn't that exactly what I said too?
Her manner was wrong.
She hit Karna at the most sensitive part.
But then u said y did she state reason? Why did she not state any other reason?
But then how would Draupadi know that? She certainly knew about his caste.
But how would she know about Karna's inner turmoils?
So, she gave the reason, for which she precisely had rejected him, without realizing that she had hit the wrong place.
So, Karna's anger was justified.
When did I deny that?
Instead of speaking up loudly, she should have gestured her father or brother do the talking.
I don't know y the men did not speak up.
Kings of those times were not used to getting insulted or rejected by "women" publicly.
So, it was certainly a blow for Karna, he didn't expect.
As for y Draupadi didn't speak up first, that is not clear.
Maybe, bcoz she thought that like most other kings, this "Sutaputra" would fail too in lifting or srtinging the bow.
She did not realize that Karna was not just another King. He was one the greatest archers.
So, when he succeeded in lifting the bow, that's when she decided to speak up.
But that is simply my interpretation. We can never say for sure, what she exactly felt at that moment.
Ofcourse, he did not insult Draupadi then, bcoz, he was not in a position too.
It was Draupadi's father's house. Her father, brothers, etc were present there. How could he insult her then?
But when Draupadi became a dasi and all her husbands became slaves, he got the opportuntinity to finally dig old graves.
Not only during Draupadi's Swamvar, did Karna ever insult Draupadi on any other occasion?
Never. He never insulted Draupadi on any other occasion.
He only did it, when he got the right opportunity, which he got co-incidentally, when Yudisthir staked Draupadi.
Edited by amritat - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Interesting post ! I really like reading it , though I disagree with about everything you wrote or should I say with all your point of views ! 😆
I've read the English translation of Mahabharat by Pratap Chandra Roy . It was a book which my Dad bought ( he's and avid Karn admirer too , like me 😳 ) . The author wrote a scripture wise translation of the epic , though it's an abridged version .
So , not all Karn fans haven't read the original epic , as you assume is not true . 😆
After reading the original epic ( now I'm reading the KMG version ) the ONLY character of Mahabharat that makes it's place into my heart is Karna and Karna only . Reason ? There's many and I think most people really gets bored of reading essays , so I'll just put some points .

1. Karna is the most enigmatic , interesting and layered character of MB .
2. Despite having all the superlative God-like qualities , he burned lifelong into miseries caused by his misfortunes .

Next to Karna , I found Draupadi's character very intriguing ( which has something to do with Roopa's phenomenal portrayal of the character in BRC MB ) , though I dare say , not at all loveable character . And no , I don't held anything against her because she rejected Karna in the swambar sabha 😆 , though the way she rejected...mentioning his caste , is very much distasteful .
Edited by VasusenaRadheya - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Paro95


@watcher so r u trying to say she deserved what she got because she scrapped his wounds!?!?


Sorry for pitching in, but you are trying to sensationalize what Watcher said.. which Ive always seen happening.. he said Draupadi was wrong.. I dont see him saying it tallied.. please dont pick it up levels higher to say 'you think she deserved it?' Sorry again for intruding..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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As for pandavas or specially Arjuna , I hate none of them . 😆 Frankly , never found ANY of their character interesting enough to hate . Hate is a huge emotion for me . I marely not like them much , not interested in them...well...except Yudhisthir . Him , I like a bit !
Each and every character of Mahabharat is faulty , while reading the epic , I found many many faults in every pandav and Draupadi's character despite the rigorous attempt to whitewash their character and justifying their wrongdoings. But , I guess that's the beauty of Mahabharat , every person does his/her interpretion of a character .

Anyway , if this post remains open , I'll be back at night to continue the discussion .
Looking forward to reading other's too . 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Amrita, you always do a great job of presenting both sides of the story. You must be a good debater in real life :)

Just like you, I've vacillated in my impression of Karna. The more I read, the more I feel Karna's character can be seen both through the prism of a hero and an anti hero. His character is a writer's delight and just proves what a brilliant writer Ved Vyas was.

He's also one of the most real characters of the epic. In the this day and age, one can see many Karna like characters around us. Are they bad or good? Are they heroes or villains? Are they black or white? It depends on the perspective.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: VasusenaRadheya

Interesting post ! I really like reading it , though I disagree with about everything you wrote or should I say with all your point of views ! 😆

I've read the English translation of Mahabharat by Pratap Chandra Roy . It was a book which my Dad bought ( he's and avid Karn admirer too , like me 😳 ) . The author wrote a scripture wise translation of the epic , though it's an abridged version .
So , not all Karn fans haven't read the original epic , as you assume is not true . 😆
After reading the original epic ( now I'm reading the KMG version ) the ONLY character of Mahabharat that makes it's place into my heart is Karna and Karna only . Reason ? There's many and I think most people really gets bored of reading essays , so I'll just put some points .

1. Karna is the most enigmatic , interesting and layered character of MB .
2. Despite having all the superlative God-like qualities , he burned lifelong into miseries caused by his misfortunes .

Next to Karna , I found Draupadi's character very intriguing ( which has something to do with Roopa's phenomenal portrayal of the character in BRC MB ) , though I dare say , not at all loveable character . And no , I don't held anything against her because she rejected Karna in the swambar sabha 😆 , though the way she rejected...mentioning his caste , is very much distasteful .

Well different people have different views.
And I respect yours.
Well, when did I say ALL Karna fans did not read the epic?
Please read again, and u will find that I have written "Some".
Ofcourse, we have TheWatcher, Vrish, etc in this forums, who are fans of Karna, and a lot more well-versed in Mahabharat than I am. 😆
Yes, indeed Karna is enigmatic, and is multi-layered.
I tried to express my feelings regarding him, speaking of both his mistakes and great deeds.
Whether Draupadi is a lovable character or not, that is a matter of perspective.
She was proud and sharp-tongued, not exactly the qualities we can accept very easily in a woman.
You see Karna was proud too of his skills as a warrior, and he too was not very polite at times.
But we attribute his bitterness to his sufferings.
How about doing the same with Draupadi? 😉
I agree that her manner of rejection was wrong. But I was going through Vanparva and Udyog Parva recently, and I noticed that Draupadi was not as "unlovable" that most people perceive her to be. She mainly lashed out at her husbands on different occasions. And y would she not?
Her husbands were sitting like ducks and memorizing the definitons of "Dharma-Adharma", while their wife was getting molested. 😡
Anyway, this is my opinion.
Thank u for commenting. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Diala...


Sorry for pitching in, but you are trying to sensationalize what Watcher said.. which Ive always seen happening.. he said Draupadi was wrong.. I dont see him saying it tallied.. please dont pick it up levels higher to say 'you think she deserved it?' Sorry again for intruding..

exactly what i wanted to say .. diala.. I too feel he never justified Karna at VH in what he stated for draupadi's behavior at swayamvar...

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