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Posted: 11 years ago

Generally speaking, its easy to like a tragic hero, all his life he struggled. He ached for the respect and glory he could have easily got, had he been legitimate. It was like he was born with all those qualities, but could not really own it.

No one really knows what was going in his mind when did what he did..

This reminds me of yesterdays epi. Krishna, jiske paas gyan to hai, par wo shareer aur mann ki icha se bhara hua hai, aisa manushya rajas aur ahankar se bhara jeevan vyateet karta hai.

Yes, he was insulted -If pain and what we have today is due to our past karmas, what right do we or anyone has to scream injustice. What should one do, endure it? Is it necessary for us/ or Karn to be consumed by hatred and revenge. Its wrong to accept injustice.. but what revenge and justice are two different things
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Actually the person who asked the question specifically said - did Pandavas make merry when their enemy died?.

My reply was - Yes, they did make merry, hell they even rejoiced after Karna lost his Armour.

Making merry after killing an opponent was no bad thing, everybody did that including the Pandavas


Yes, and at the end of the day.. they were warriors not saints.

No warrior cries after killing the opponent, they generally rejoice. Its natural for them to get overwhelmed by destruction it causes. But they were kshatryas, especially in those times they had to fight.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Patrarekha


but still Karna was wrong being involved to kill his nephew when all the warriors jumped on the boy

but Arjun was worse while killing vrishasen , Vrishasena was fighting with nakul and he attacked Vrishasen from back , if abhimanyu's death was cruel , Vrishasena's death was no less cruel and that too Karna had to bear his dearest son's death in front his eyes , Arjun atleast was spared from the pain

was not that enough punishment for karna, and here too both karna and arjun settled the score

Patrarekha, thanks for sharing your feelings and your memories. I also for a minute got transported back into my childhood.. Lovely writeup.. 😊
The bold statements are factualy incorrect though. I am not giving citations because it is very clear in Karna parva and discussed on many threads. Vrishasena was not attcked from behind. He fought valiantly with Arjuna. Arjuna had vowed to kill him infront of Karna's eyes as a revenge.
He challenged Karna to save him and killed him. It was not a cowardly act.
Also it was a revenge for Abhimanyu so again I dont think it is right to say Karna had to bear his dearest son's death in front his eyes , Arjun atleast was spared from the pain

As it turned out to be cause and effect.. I am not suggesting it was not painful and I do feel for him..
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Posted: 11 years ago
Omg 32 pages done ... 😕 congratz amrita 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: panchaali

Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??


What kind of question is this?

Do you have doubt? he is a human and he did mistake, all characters in the epic is flawed but do you question all characters in the epic, or it is for Karna specifically!!!

Then let me tell you yes he deserves it and he got it,

most of the literature work is on Karna, Swami Vivekanada meditated Karna...

Karna is my idol, I feel sad every time I read Draupadi Vastraharan part...

It breaks my heart, even though various authors give numerous explanation about that part. Surely, you want your idol to be perfect, but even after this also I would say he is beyond perfect.

Coz he did repent for what he did, and who had that courage to donate his natural armor to his enemy's father? Even the king of Gods also had to act like beggar, in front of THE HUMAN.

He is THE HUMAN who has set example to humanity. He spared the lives of his four brothers; who insulted him until his last breath, he did not leave his friend's side even though he knew he would probably die at the end.

And yes he died, even the God have to trick his death.

Who am I question Karna if he deserves respect or not, I can never do what he did. Being a human being also he proved himself God of Humanity.

People talk a lot about Dharma adharma, I think it would be a big adharma to question greatness of Karna. Lord Krishna declared him a great soul, do you question him saying also?

P.S:- I see in your post that you are a Bengali, one suggestion please go through some good books our literature has great works on Karna.

Firstly thanks for commenting.
Secondly, did u really get the whole point of my post?
I have asked a question in my title, the question that was there in my heart for a long time.
And I myself, have answered the question in affirmative. I have clearly said that yes, he deserves respect, despite all his flaws. I have also stated the reasons, why I think he deserves respect, and why I respect him too.
And those reasons are exactly, what u have stated.
Are your reasons( that is, the ones that u have stated in your comment) any different from mine?
I talked about his Kavach-Kundal daan, his repentence about Draupadi's Vastraharan, his sparing of the 4 Pandavas...
Have I missed out on his great deeds?
I have also quoted a line, which talks about the greatness of repentance.
And YOU don't have to tell me that he deserves respect. I already KNOW it, and THAT IS EXACTLY, what I have written in my post in the end.
And I have also stated clearly, that I am only an ordinary reader, and am not qualified enough to give character certificates to people like Karna and Draupadi.
And yes, all characters, except Lord Krishna, in the epic, are flawed.
But people mainly debate on Draupadi and Karna, bcoz they are the most complex characters in Mahabharat.
I have also written a long post, expressing my doubts on Draupadi's Pativrata nature.
That was maybe 2 months back. And Draupadi is my favourite character, n yet I have tried to analyse/question her character in my own way.
And finally, yes the Pandavas were not nice to Karna. But Karna was not very nice to them either.
Both were hostile towards each other.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@cots no i am not blaming Arjun and saying its cowardly act neither i said arjun killed vrishasena from behind but vrishasena was busy in fighting with nakula when arjun attacked him and i don't support in his taking oath of killing karna's son in front of him as revenge of abhimanyu's death , killing an opponent in fight is normal but vrishasena was not one who killed abhimanyu so killing him out of revenge on his father was not at all done , it will be like slapping you for mistakes of your father
watching his dearest son getting killed front of eyes was much great pain arjun didn't see any of his son getting killed in front him , iravan , abhimanyu and shrutakarma were killed in his absence (don't know about rochanagarbha though)rather bheem had to bear the pain of death of ghatotkach front him so i said arjun was spared there
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Patrarekha

i am never fan of Draupadi but i had a feeling towards her , but still i think it was her mistake to reject Karna on basis of his caste
but that doesn't mean the way karna abused her was any way justified or deserved by her but its true i believe she hurt on his weakest point

VH has been discussed at length and I really strongly feel that trying to relate insult during Drau swayamvar and Dyuta is a great injustice to Karna's magnanimity..
Lets say Karna was insulted... and if this insult is a strong reason for Karna's abominable behaviour, then we must consider few facts..
36 years passed after that incident when Drau and her hubbies were enjoying their family life.
Karna was married and had his own kids. He was no longer impetuous youth.
Drau was now a wife of 5 hubbies and also a MOTHER herself.
She was completely helpless in Dyut sabha..
So does it mean Karna had insult festering for 36 years even after having his rich,loving family life that he did not hesitate to order disrobing of a MOTHER of 5 ?
If he felt so insulted, why did he not fight with Pandavas in 36 years or even better right after insult abduct her from Swayamvar like Bheeshma. After all he did help Dury with Bhanumati..
Dont you think it was more honourable Kshatriya code than insulting a lone, helpless mother ?
I always had this question.. Can someone help ?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Patrarekha

@cots no i am not blaming Arjun and saying its cowardly act neither i said arjun killed vrishasena from behind but vrishasena was busy in fighting with nakula when arjun attacked him and i don't support in his taking oath of killing karna's son in front of him as revenge of abhimanyu's death , killing an opponent in fight is normal but vrishasena was not one who killed abhimanyu so killing him out of revenge on his father was not at all done , it will be like slapping you for mistakes of your father
watching his dearest son getting killed front of eyes was much great pain arjun didn't see any of his son getting killed in front him , iravan , abhimanyu and shrutakarma were killed in his absence (don't know about rochanagarbha though)rather bheem had to bear the pain of death of ghatotkach front him so i said arjun was spared there

Vrishsena defeated Nakula and hence angry Nakul asked Arjuna to fight with him.. Also it was allowed to intervene and fight ONE on ONE , giving respite to another warrior if he is in trouble..
But I agree this was strange oath to kill his innocent child to revenge Abhimanyu.. I agree Vrishasena had nothing to do with his killing and this oath was uncalled for..
Arjuna could have simply vowed to kill all responsible for his son's death..
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Posted: 11 years ago
Cots.. According to me, as I said, these two are not interlinked.. no where does Karna claim that.. that is a possible interpretation.. can be true, can be false.. we dont have any support for either of them.. I personally, dont want to connect them.. yes and that is for the respect I have on Karna.. he would have not done this for a petty thing like this.. I would like to believe that he was harsh with her to simultaneously hurt the Pandavas - his enemies.. he dint consider her his enemy..
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Posted: 11 years ago
well i am not a psychiatrist to know what was going on his mind but as everyone interprets it in this way so i also said that but if these two cases are different then i had to agree with vrish's statement in one of karna AT that its just a hit of the moment statement

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