Kunti - Like or Dislike - Page 9

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

That cannot be true, your citation states very clearly that she wanted to draw his heart towards the Pandavas. Why should it not be interpreted like this? Kunti knew Karna was a strong warrior, as a last minute resort and as a hope for ALL her sons, she asked him to think of his brothers, hoping he'd probably join them and leave Duryodhan's side. Words need not be said out aloud to understand what this mother wanted from her abandoned child. Yes, it was a callous act on her behalf to have asked for is help in such an untimely manner, but that need not mean she didn't worry about his death!

look at the entire line of thought she first thinks how war is detrimental then she thinks how bheeshma and drona wont fight her son's with full capacity only karna will hence she needs to draw his heart towards them

i agree it cant be said that she wanted karna dead but this definately means that she wanted her 5 sons alive which is why she went to karna so that he doesn't kill them in which she was successful

i will again say as mother of panadavs this was a good move wont blame her since atleast two of her son's survived the war becuase of her this move but actions need to be looked at from both POV's for a neutral opinion.If you look at it from pandavas POV it was good but from karna's POV it was wrong

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

look at the entire line of thought she first thinks how war is detrimental then she thinks how bheeshma and drona wont fight her son's with full capacity only karna will hence she needs to draw his heart towards them

i agree it cant be said that she wanted karna dead but this definately means that she wanted her 5 sons alive which is why she went to karna so that he doesn't kill them in which she was successful

i will again say as mother of panadavs this was a good move wont blame her since atleast two of her son's survived the war becuase of her this move but actions need to be looked at from both POV's for a neutral opinion.If you look at it from pandavas POV it was good but from karna's POV it was wrong

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

@bunny how wasnt kunti excused she had all her son's alive after the war.And the part of kunti holding karna's corpse and crying is part of BRC not the actual epic.Let me post the citation you asked for

Originally posted by: Krishnaa_Nair

but one thing guys!! what is suryanarayan doing!!
dont he have any responsibility as a father!!!

he only came in karna's dream !!!

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

My comment didn't just concentrate on what a great mother to Pandavas she was. Please try and understand what I've written :)

i know you have written that she was also concerned about karna but that is not what she says in her thought process she is only thinking about pandavas and how Bheehsma and drona wont harm them but karna will

if i have still not understood your comment please explain again

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

What was she left with after the war? Did her sons acknowledge her? One of them infact cursed the entire woman race because of her. She saw Karna die in the hands of Arjuna. Isn't that a punishment for a mother? She may not have wailed, but she must have cried for her dead son? I'll ask again, for a woman who never revealed to the world who Karna really was, told her sons that day that he was their eldest brother, why did she do that? For glory?

ok i agree kunti made a mistake and got punished for it agreed

but when did she see arjuna kill karna
when did she cry for karna

please share the citation

she only told pandavas the truth because she wanted them to do his water rites

@medha:i agree she didnt think of karna as a son she just went and emotionally blackmailed him about it because she wanted to save those whom she did consider as her sons' it was a good strategic move wont deny it .A mother would do anything to protect her sons that is why i said if you see it from pandavas POV it wasn't wrong and very succsusfull as well

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

i know you have written that she was also concerned about karna but that is not what she says in her thought process she is only thinking about pandavas and how Bheehsma and drona wont harm them but karna will

if i have still not understood your comment please explain again

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

ok i agree kunti made a mistake and got punished for it agreed

but when did she see arjuna kill karna
when did she cry for karna

please share the citation

she only told pandavas the truth because she wanted them to do his water rites

@medha:i agree she didnt think of karna as a son she just went and emotionally blackmailed him about it because she wanted to save those whom she did consider as her sons' it was a good strategic move wont deny it .A mother would do anything to protect her sons that is why i said if you see it from pandavas POV it wasn't wrong and very succsusfull as well

@Medha I second your post. I doubt if a man who supports injustice knowing everything, developes anger and rage in himself for another warrior without any reason, suggests to disrobe a woman in the middle of the sabha, then when asked for following righteousness denies that he was wrong and refuses to accept he did any mistake.. actually needs to be weakened. Atleast Kunti still went to such a person for weakening him, which means she feels He was strong. If such a man can be strong, then surely such a mother can be the best mother of all.

@Diala what is wrong in morally weakening him if that would only do good to him? I dont care about citations, whatever Kunti said is correct.

Originally posted by: bunnylovessunny

She thinks about her sinful son. A son who, by serving Duryodhan was following Adharma. I'm saying, didn't she know justice would be prevailed. Everybody knows that. Do you think that somewhere deep down she couldn't have known that because Karna committed certain sins in his life, he'd be punished for them? Why are we unable to read between the lines, her desperation to save, not just her sons, but Dharma in general is what I can see in that paragraph. And if Karna were to see that, he could have been saved as well. But he was bound by a word he gave his friend and he considered that his dharma. Her thoughts were audible, but her intentions weren't, which is why we tend to get confused. Look, I'm not a fan of what she did to Karna, but some of her actions are justified.

i generally agree with what i think you are trying to save even you are saying that she went to karna to protect her sons and through them dharma but karna was not her prime concern even i am saying that

i don't blame her for calling him sinful she had her reasons to think him to be sinful but what mine and diala's point was when she went to karna she wasn't concerned about his life but the life of her 5 son's only and then she emotionally blackmailed him by saying i am your mother its your duty to do what is agreeable to me so that he doesn't harm her sons'

again please understand i am not blaming her for this a mother would do anything to save her children even greatest mother's in the world become selfish when it comes to her own children i know if some day i become a mother i would do anything to save them as well.So as pandavs mother i dont blame her at all

but as karna's mother the emotional blackmail she did to him was unfair to him