When Gandhari tried to burn Yudhi, blamed Bheem and cursed Krishna - Page 5

Originally posted by: Medha.S

And the "Blind" Lady shows her true colors.

Gandhari was never the saint she has been shown here till now, This would actually be close to the real Gandhari ..She was not like her sons or Husband per say.

Thank you for noting this. It's excruciatingly irritating to see every serial since BRC glorify her, and in some cases, making her even more pro-Pandava than Yudisthir himself. (BRC was particularly guilty of this)

But she was a hell lotta late when it came to give advices and teach something to her sons ...

Actually, it would be useful to see actual citations where she does beg Duryodhan to be fair to the Pandavas. The only one I've seen is on the night after his thighs were broken, when Krishna & Vyasa visited her, begging her not to curse the Pandavas, and reminding her of her telling Duryodhan that 'where there is dharma, there'd be victory'. Which could just as easily be interpreted as meaning that the reason Gandhari didn't bless Duryodhan w/ victory was that she didn't have that power.

She chided them after they did something stupid (read horrendous), or were about to do it.

She came to tell them that you are wrong, you shouldn't do this, you should do that ... make friends with Pandavas blah blah

Again, citations for this would be good - I don't recall reading anywhere that that's what she said

Had she been doing it when they were children and still under their Mothers control, it may have worked.

What was the meaning of all the preaching after the Sons are adults with developed functioning brains ...

Did she even say anything? Before VH or after it?

I dont think so ... citations anyone?

The DILFs of Dhritarashtra were jealous of Draupadi and her status, her wealth, her Kingdom.

"And when they had retired into the chambers, the women of Dhritarashtra's household with Dussala taking the lead visited them. And the daughters-in-law of Dhritarashtra beholding the blazing and splendid beauty and prosperity of Yajnaseni, became cheerless and filled with jealousy."

Thank you!!! So why do different books also state that Bhanumati too would urge Duryodhan to make peace w/ the Pandavas?

They must be happy after Pandavas and Draupadi lose everything. Why would Gandhari be any different?

Whatever she said to her sons, in the end she wanted them to be happy.

Mother wants what is best for her children, Gandhari too wanted that.

Even if they were wrong, no mother would want her sons to die.

She could cry at the Pandavas death and be disgusted with her Husband and Sons for what they did with Draupadi.

But it is not enough to make her think that her Sons brought it upon themselves.

Whatever sense of justice she had as a Queen was not bigger than her love for the children.

Gandhari wanted to curse Yudhishtira:

The faultless Gandhari, afflicted with grief on account of the death of her hundred sons, recollecting that king Yudhishthira the just had slain all his enemies, wished to curse him. Understanding her evil intentions towards the Pandavas, the son of Satyavati addressed himself for counteracting them at the very outset.

She told Vyas that she did not fault the Pandavas or Draupadi. All the fault was of Duryodhan, Karn, Dusashan and Shakuni.

But Bhima killed Duryodhana by deceit, and she reminds him about all the duties of Kshatriyas and what not.

Bhima bluntly tells her that Duryodhana cheated them all their life, cheated Yudhishtira, insulted Draupadi, sent them on exile.

Why didn't Gandhari do anything then?

She then says that you killed Dusashan and drank his blood. That was cruel.

Bheem said that he did not let the blood past his lips. And he had taken a vow.

You did not restrain your sons in the former days and now you are putting all the blame on us?

Bhima correctly pointed out to her how she had double standards. In fact, both Bhima's comments, and Krishna's some time later, indicate that Gandhari very much endorsed the Kaurava policy on the Pandavas.

One thing I do grant her - in response to Bhima, she asked, 'Why couldn't you have spared at least one son of mine?' I agree on that one - Vikarna could have been spared. But it does raise one question - did Gandhari not consider Yuyutsu her son? He was her husband's son, after all!!!

She tries to burn Yudhishtira when he was about to fall at her feet, blaming himself for everything.

"Kuru queen, possessed of great foresight, directed her eyes, from within the folds of the cloth that covered them, to the tip of Yudhishthira's toe, as the prince, with body bent forwards, was about to fall down at her feet. At this, the king, whose nails had before this been all very beautiful, came to have a sore nail on his toe. Beholding this, Arjuna moved away to the rear of Vasudeva."

Later she blamed everything upon Krishna, and Krishna had told her that she does not have the right to do so since she herself was at fault but he will accept it anyways.

People marvel @ Gandhari's curse working. But one major reason it could have worked was that it was identical to the curse issued later by Durvasa, Vishwamitra, Kanva, et al to the Yadavas, when they brought a 'pregnant' Samba to them to mock them.

Krishna clearly tells her, 'Applauding his wicked acts, thou regardest them to be good... A princess, however, like thee, brings forth sons for being slaughtered!'

Krishna went to Duryodhana, told him to accept peace offer, give 5 villages to Pandavas and rule your Kingdom however you want.

Duryodhana tried to capture him and put him in prison.

Krishna offered himself or his Army, Duryodhan was gleeful to chose the Army.

What else Krishna was supposed to do?

Do everything that Duryodhana's own parents conveniently forgot to do? Was Krishna supposed to take Mom and Dads place and raise Duryodhana right?

Regardless of the fact that Krishna was younger than him?

If we are going to assume the fact that Krishna was no God and just another man capable of being partial, then what exactly Duryodhana had done in his life that he would be incline towards him?

Trying to burn his paternal aunt?

Trying to disrobe his friend?

Sending his cousins on exile?

Not giving them what was theirs when they returned?

Not even giving them 1/100th of what was theirs?

Trying to imprison Krishna when he came as a peace messenger?

Or call Krishna not worthy of battling with him because Krishna was Kansa's slave?

But no, Gandhari conveniently forgot about that too. I guess she was grieving. understandable.

She accused Krishna of being indifferent while the both slides killed each other andcursed him that

-- in next 36 years you will kill your relatives and kins.

--You will die disgusting death.

--The women of your family will be just like how today the Kuru women are.

Somehow, in the midst of all this, Gandhari forgot that she was widowing her own grand-daughter Laxmanaa, who was married to Samba. 😈🤣

Krishna only smiled and said that His kinsmen can only be killed by him. And one day i will have to do it so you are only helping him.

Then Krishna says to her that, " why are you grieving? It is by your fault that this carnage took place.

"The holy one said, Arise, arise, O Gandhari, do not set thy heart on grief! Through thy fault, this vast carnage has taken place! Thy son Duryodhana was wicked-souled, envious, and exceedingly arrogant. Applauding his wicked acts, thou regardest them to be good. Exceedingly cruel, he was the embodiment of hostilities, and disobedient to the injunctions of the old. Why dost thou wish to ascribe thy own faults to me?"

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Dhritrashtra tried to Crush Bheema:

Having embraced Yudhishthira the just and spoken a few words of comfort to him, O Bharata, the wicked-souled Dhritarashtra sought for Bhima, like a blazing fire ready to burn everything that would approach it. Indeed, that fire of his wrath, fanned by the wind of his grief, seemed then to be ready to consume the Bhima-forest.

Ascertaining the evil intentions cherished by him towards Bhima, Krishna, dragging away the real Bhima, presented an iron statue of the second son of Pandu to the old king. Possessed of great intelligence, Krishna had, at the very outset, understood the intentions of Dhritarashtra, and had, therefore, kept such a contrivance ready for baffling them. Seizing with his two arms that iron Bhima, king Dhritarashtra, possessed of great strength, broke into pieces, thinking it to be Bhima himself in flesh and blood. Endued with might equal to that of 10,000 elephants, the king reduced that statue into fragments. His own breast, however, became considerably bruised and he began to vomit blood. Covered with blood, the king fell down on the ground like a parijata tree topped with its flowery burden. His learned charioteer Sanjaya, the son of Gavalgana, raised the monarch and soothing and comforting him, said, Do not act so.' The king then, having cast off his wrath and returned to his normal disposition, became filled with grief and began to weep aloud, saying, Alas, oh Bhima, alas, oh Bhima!' Understanding that he was no longer under the influence of wrath, and that he was truly sorry for having (as he believed) killed Bhima, Vasudeva, that foremost of men, said these words, Do not grieve, O Dhritarashtra, for thou hast not slain Bhimasena! That is an iron statue, O king, which has been broken by thee! Understanding that thou wert filled with rage, O bull of Bharata's race, I dragged the son of Kunti away from within the jaws of Death. O tiger among kings, there is none equal to thee in strength of body. What man is there, O mighty-armed one, that would endure pressure of thy arms? Indeed, as no one can escape with life from an encounter with the Destroyer himself, even so no body can come out safe from within thy embrace. It was for this that yonder iron statue of Bhima, which had been caused to be made by thy son, had been kept ready for thee. Through grief for the death of thy sons, thy mind has fallen off from righteousness. It is for this, O great king, that thou seekest to slay Bhimasena. The slaughter of Bhima, however, O king, would do thee no good. Thy sons, O monarch, would not be revived by it. Therefore, do thou approve of what has been by us with a view to secure peace and do not set thy heart on grief!'"

Thou hast, O king, read the Vedas and diverse scriptures. Thou hast heard all old histories, and everything about the duties of kings. Thou art learned, possessed of great wisdom, and indifferent to strength and weakness. Why then dost thou cherish such wrath when all that has overtaken thee is the result of thy own fault? I spoke to thee before the battle. Both Bhishma and Drona, O Bharata, did the same, as also Vidura and Sanjaya. Thou didst not, however, then follow our advice.

Indeed, though exhorted by us, thou didst not yet act according to the counsels we offered, knowing that the Pandavas were superior to thee and thine, O Kauravya, in strength and courage. That king who is capable of seeing his own faults and knows the distinctions of place and time, obtains great prosperity.

That person, however, who, though counselled by well-wishers, does not accept their words, good or bad, meets with distress and is obliged to grieve in consequence of the evil policy he pursues. Observe thou a different course of life now, O Bharata! Thou didst not keep thy soul under restraint, but suffered thyself to be ruled by Duryodhana.

That which has come upon thee is due to thy own fault. Why then dost thou seek to slay Bhima? Recollecting thy own faults, govern thy wrath now. That mean wretch who had, from pride, caused the princess of Pancala to be brought into the assembly has been slain by Bhimasena in just revenge. Look at thy own evil acts as also at those of thy wicked-souled son. The sons of Pandu are perfectly innocent. Yet have they been treated most cruelly by thee and him.'"

And here is one reason Bhima is my favorite character in the MB, ahead of even Arjun or Krishna. After the war, when the Pandavas decided to serve Dhritarasthra & Gandhari like servants, he couldn't stomach it. Within their earshot, he used to describe to his friends how he killed Duryodhan & others, until it became obvious to them how undeserving they were of the Pandava services.

But back to point - while every serial paints Shakuni as the anti-Krishna, he was actually pretty benign. OTOH, it was Gandhari who shared the views of her husband & sons about the Pandavas. But don't expect any show to actually show that!!!

Great post!! 👏

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I've always hated Gandhari. Starting from her decision to agree to marry Dhritarashtra, going on from there.

I do excuse that her curse to Krishna was something that a bereaved mother did in her anger @ the heat of the moment. But like you said, blaming him for not preventing the war was inane. And what I hate about Stri Parva particularly is her pinpointing Pandava womenfolk who lost their husbands, and describing their plight - like that too is Krishna's fault, rather than Duryodhan's.

Seriously, Like I understand that being annoyed at her when she is standing on war field filled with corpses is very insensitive.

But it is irritating, it starts from her going after Yudhishtira, then trying to chide bheem and unsuccessfully guilt-tripping him and then pointing at dead warriors from both sides, their qualities and their crying wives and at the end just going at Krishna like, "See, all your fault. You are God. You did this."🥱

There was a thread on Gandhari in the MM forum

Faithfulness OR dereliction of duty!?

Originally posted by: bhas1066

Who wasnt blind in mahabharata?:

Shantanu was blind in his love for Ganga.for Ganga.
Bhishma was blind in his love for his father.
Fisherman (Satyavati's father) was blind in his desire to see his grandsons sit on the throne of the Kurus.
Amba was so blind in her desire for vengeance, she could not appreciate Shiva in front of her and ask for a better life.
Dhritrashtra was born blind.
Gandhari chose to be blind.
Shakuni was blinded by rage and perceived insult to his family.
Durvasa was blind in his haste to grant a potent boon, alas too early.
Kunti was blind in her haste to try out the boon, alas too soon.
Pandu was blind in his pursuit of game and love for his wives.
Bhishma was blind to the faults of those who sat on the throne of the Kurus.
Karna was blind to his own faults and blamed the world for it.
Duryodhan was blind in his greed and avarice to own everything.
Yudhishthir was blind in his desire to be good'.
Kauravas followed their eldest brother blindly, never questioning his immorality.
Pandavas followed their eldest brother blindly, never questioning his brand of morality'.
Kings of India blindly followed their sovereign king' without any questions.
Generals and soldiers blindly followed their liege lord' without any questions.
Drona was blind in his righteous rage against his friend.
Drupada was blind in his own version of righteous rage'.
Ashwathama was blind beyond all definitions of 'blind' when he tried to kill an innocent fetus.

Originally posted by: Rishi_

we knew it well that Gandhari was not as pious as she has been shown in this ⭐️Bharat.

im really glad that CV's have woken up and shown her true colors.

Gandhari just like Dhrit was blinded in her sons' love.

Ofcourse in this version, CV's have gone overboard and shown Dhrit outright -ve which is not at all true. and Gandhari was shown too much +ve which is not true either.

Both were blinded in the love of their sons. Both were jealous of the popularity of the Pandavas and their name and fame.

All were jealous of Panchaali's beauty and grace.

The part where Gandhari cursed Krishna is absolutely a true event. I hope CV's show it.

even gandhari was extremely jealous of Kunti when Kunti was made queen (when Pandu was alive).

she was also jealous when Yudi was made crown prince.

But im hoping CV's bring out Kunti misdeeds too esp the way she dumped Karna. Im sure the scene where Kunti meets Karna will be shown at the time of war. i wanted Kunti's wrongdoing to be highlighted that time.

or am i expecting too much?😆

Originally posted by: darklight

Can someone pleeez tell me why did she wanted to burn Yudhishthir or why did she burn his nail,I mean she being angry with yudhishthir?after knowing what kind of a personality he was??because her sons were killed by Bheem,so why target a person like Yudhishthir who was most kind to her and her sons amongst the Pandavas?😕and is Mahabharat included in class 12. History books?

Originally posted by: Medha.S

Oh yes, My Father was shocked because it was not the case when he was in school.

Mahabharat is taught as history now.

You know they found Krishna's Dwarka underwater just how it is described in MB.

Other objects have been found in the excavation.

Maybe that is why.

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

Mahabharat is taught as History? In CBSE or which syllabus?

COming back to topic..

I guess your anger towards Gandhari is mainly due to her curse to Krishna..😛

But yes, agree with all your points.