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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In Sauptika, Kripa along w/ Kritavarma prevent the Pandava rank & file soldiers from escaping, while Ashwatthama massacres all the princes/kings - Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi, Yudhamanu, Uttamaujas, Draupadi's sons, et al.

About Draupadi's grandsons that you wrote, is that there in Vyasa, or in other derivative works written later?

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Sons of Krishnaa (Draupadi) find mentions in Agni,Vayu, Skanda,Matsya, Garuda Puranas, Shatapatha, Aitereya, Kaushitaki Brahmanas; Shinkhandi and Uttamauja is also mentioned in these brahmanas.

My point is that unlike the serials which show sons of Drau dying as bachelors is not true, neither she loses all her kin.

Yudhi leaves a large empire behind and it is distributed among his grandsons including Ghatu . Just like Ram did , dividing his kingdom among sons and nephews.

Pandava grandsons are joint rulers, there's no special treatment of Parikshit ; he and his cousin Paushya ( son of Sutasoma) rule Asandivat and Indraprasth.

Paushya is in the epic, there's Paushya parva

Epic mentions Vajra taking over Indraprasth but the puranas state that Vajra shifts to Mathura and revives it and the behest of his guru Garga

His son Vajrakhira is a staunch supporter of Janmejay.

There's a great grandson of Drupad who rules Panchala ; Shatanika rules west and eastern Panchala, he and his son Keshi and Krishna are said to revive Panchala and bring back its glory (Shatapatha)

Keshi is sometimes called his nephew, sister's son! so Nakul and Drau had one more daughter?!

Shatanika and his sons are said to be married to Panchalis.

Prativindhya descendants get Sauvira in inheritance; among them there are two grandsons Jayanta who rules Mulasthana with sons of Samba as neighbours another is found crushing a rebellion in Videha by Kuru Dharmanetra( Yeh dushmani hum nahi bhulenge!!) and helps Kashi king Suvarnakshema/Suvarnaverma gain control over Videha. Videha kingdom ultimately passes on to Pratapa ; his lineage too is quite powerful .

Prativindhya had many wives , he has an ascetic wife, a Panchali and a Bahlika princess for wife and has many sons and grandsons ...

Suvarnakshema is son of Sarvaga and father to Vapushthama, wife of Janmejay. Like any other father Suvarnakshema looks into Janmejay's resume in detail before giving his daughter in marriage😊

Parikshit line of Asandivat and Kakshasena ( grandson of Sutasoma) line of Indraprastha rule for a very long time

Kaskshasena's son Abhipratrin is a very powerful king and is a younger contemporary to Janmejay

His glories are sung in all Brahmanas

Nakul's other children get kingdom in north western India , probably the one Naku conquers in his western Digvijaya.

Parikshit's wife Madravati is a Sahdev descendent ;

Srutasena's son is Srutasrava and there's one more son , they along with Arjun console and bring back the survivors of intoxicated madness called 'Mausala'. These sons become kulguru to their nephews

Srutakirti's descendents rule Kanyakubja much info isn't available.

Hope this is helpful

The correct words in your siggy , eulogizing our Vriku bhima⭐️

vAya uktE-bhir jarante tvAmachchA jaritAraH
sutasomA aharvidaH (rigveda, book 1)

O vayu( the ever pervading one) you are the knower of seasons and days, the singers sing your glory and offer Soma ( the celestial juice) to thee

Where was Asandivat? Was that another name for Hastinapur? Did Parikshit take over Asandivat or Indraprastha? Did Yuyutsu then end up as the ruler of Hastinapur? I've read RC Majumdar describe Parikshit descendants ruling Indraprastha. I'm guessing that that was where Subhadra was, when Arjun/Yudhi handed over regency of both Parikshit & Vajra to her?

Janmejay preferred Hastinapur that is why the confusion. I have read R C Majumdar long back though ...

How does Sarvaga's granddaughter get married to Abhimanyu's grandson? B/w Kshatriyas, there were supposed to be 7 generations of separation. And we are not talking about descendants of a brother-sister, we're talking about 3 generations from Arjun, & 3 generations from Bhima. In other words, 4 generations from Pandu/Kunti.

Cousin marriages are plenty in the epic and everybody seems to be related to everyone else in the epic, someway or the other , the 7 gen rule is hardly followed ; Practically

these close knit marriages were to maintain unity and keep the ancestral property within the same family! This we find even now between rich families in Kerala and Tulu speaking regions of Karnataka.However we don't find children of Draupadi marrying amongst themselves i.e children of Paushya don't marry Shatanika or Prativindhya'schildren .

Drupada still had survivors, after everything Drona & Ashwatthama did to them? Also, Shikhandi was killed in the midnight massacre, after Draupadi's sons.

Did Virata's kingdom have survivors? Anybody from Abhimanyu's sasural? That was some distance from Indraprastha, so they'd have had their own kingdom?

So how about Yaudeha, Iravana, Nirmitra and Suhotra - how did their descendants end up?

Yaudehya and Prativindhya are talked in same breath ; Prativindhya was king already in Sakala dwipa and an official invitation is sent by Drupad on behalf of Yudhi to join the war; either him or his son(s) must have married into Yaudehya/Govisana tribe or must have been adopted by the same...
Yaudehya, Malava(Bhima) and Arjuneyas from a federation and are called Samvagri-United warriors and rule in many places, some are Pratishthan and Mahodaya and their federation rules for a thousand years; they are known to be always in conflict with Guptas though they are subdued they outlive Guptas and continued to thrive.

Niramitra inherits a western kingdom, nothing much is known , same goes to Iravan, he has many folk tales in his name and he stands guard to Draupadi amman temples in south as a tribute to his mother who did something special for him.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Where was Asandivat? Was that another name for Hastinapur? Did Parikshit take over Asandivat or Indraprastha? Did Yuyutsu then end up as the ruler of Hastinapur? I've read RC Majumdar describe Parikshit descendants ruling Indraprastha. I'm guessing that that was where Subhadra was, when Arjun/Yudhi handed over regency of both Parikshit & Vajra to her?

Asandivat is near Kurukshetra. Parikshit ruled Kuru kingdom with Asandivat as capital , this is what works outside epics say;Yuyutsu is not specifically mentioned in other works; after Parikshit's death Paushya takes over and is ruling Hastinapur! the epic says so Janmejay was a boy of 10. Paushya goes blind and Janmejay takes over.

Janmejay preferred Hastinapur that is why the confusion. I have read R C Majumdar long back though ...

How does Sarvaga's granddaughter get married to Abhimanyu's grandson? B/w Kshatriyas, there were supposed to be 7 generations of separation. And we are not talking about descendants of a brother-sister, we're talking about 3 generations from Arjun, & 3 generations from Bhima. In other words, 4 generations from Pandu/Kunti.

Cousin marriages are plenty in the epic and everybody seems to be related to everyone else in the epic, someway or the other , the 7 gen rule is hardly followed ; Practically

these close knit marriages were to maintain unity and keep the ancestral property within the same family! This we find even now between rich families in Kerala and Tulu speaking regions of Karnataka.However we don't find children of Draupadi marrying amongst themselves i.e children of Paushya don't marry Shatanika or Prativindhya'schildren .

Drupada still had survivors, after everything Drona & Ashwatthama did to them? Also, Shikhandi was killed in the midnight massacre, after Draupadi's sons.

Yes Panchals survived the war though suffered huge loses; shikhandi 'Yajnasen' composed some vedic sutras and is a guru to his nephews and their sons (Kaushitaki and Shatapatha ) That is why I feel Sauptika is questionable , if not all at least few sons/relatives survived .
There's one more very famous king Pravahana Jaivali who is a very learned , he defeats rishi Shvetketu in debate; Shvetketu is a contemporary of upapandavas
This king does not descend directly from Drupad but is from a cousin of his. Keshi,Krishna and Drupad's great grandson (I always forget his name) rule Panchal and if all Panchals died , how would this world get "Kam-sutra" LOL! it would be very boring 🤣

Did Virata's kingdom have survivors? Anybody from Abhimanyu's sasural? That was some distance from Indraprastha, so they'd have had their own kingdom?

Uttar Kumar's daughter Iravati is born after war , she too like Parikshit is called as 'Parikshaya' -one who survived turbulent times. In Bhagvata she's the wife of Parikshit but in Matsya and Markandeya Puran and in the epic she's Paushya's wife . She is a very compassionate lady and is famous for her charity providing stipend to students, this becomes her bane and Uttanka at the behest Takshaka asks for her famous ear rings and Paushya goes blind...I don't know about if any male heir of Matsya survived.

Madra - the one of Sahadev's wife Vijaya would be different from Shalya/Madri's Madra, right? Vijaya's father's name started w/ Dyut... forgetting it right now. Had nothing to do w/ Shalya. But Madravati would have been a granddaughter to Shalya.

Madra of shalya and Dyutimat/Dyutiman is the same . Charles o'odham in his book on ancient Indian kingdoms writes that Madra was a republic kingdom with chosen leaders thats why both Shalya and Dyutimat are called kings, much to our confusion. Both Dyutimat and Shalya are 'Bahlikas' . Nephews and children of daughters are very important in this kingdom and would inherit their grandfathers property . Naku-Dev too had that option; Shalya himself is adopted by his maternal grandfather. Suhotra too must have got a kingdom then; Madravati is his daughter.

So how about Yaudeha, Iravana, Nirmitra and Suhotra - how did their descendants end up?

Yaudehya and Prativindhya are talked in same breath ; Prativindhya was king already in Sakala dwipa and an official invitation is sent by Drupad on behalf of Yudhi to join the war; either him or his son(s) must have married into Yaudehya/Govisana tribe or must have been adopted by the same...
Yaudehya, Malava(Bhima) and Arjuneyas from a federation and are called Samvagri-United warriors and rule in many places, some are Pratishthan and Mahodaya and their federation rules for a thousand years; they are known to be always in conflict with Guptas though they are subdued they outlive Guptas and continued to thrive.

Niramitra inherits a western kingdom, nothing much is known , same goes to Iravan, he has many folk tales in his name and he stands guard to Draupadi amman temples in south as a tribute to his mother who did something special for him.

Ulupi is mentioned in post war parvas and stands to reason that if there were any surviors of Iravan family then they must have been taken care of by Pandavas like they did for Ghatu's grandsons

Originally posted by: ashne

Thanks again for this detailed explanations, Ananya 👍🏼. Do u have any info on what happens to Babruvahan's and chitrangadha's lineage.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

^^^ That only happens while they are still there. After DGSVK retire to the forests, they are free to attend to their hubbies.

When the Pandavas finally retire in the Mahaprasthanika parva, their queens - barring Draupadi - stay back w/ Parikshit. Except Uloopi & Chitrangada. Uloopi retires to her watery kingdom - it's unclear whether this implies jal-samadhi, while Chitrangada returns to Babruvahana, since Arjun is now on his way out.

Uttara is conspicuous by her absence. While reading Ashramvatika parva, it's mentioned that after the darshan of the fallen warriors, Vyasa invites all the Kshatrani widows to take jal-samadhi & rejoin their hubbies. Do you read that as implying that Uttara too joined Abhimanyu, leaving Parikshit in care of Subhadra/Arjun?