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Originally posted by: amritat

I am sorry. You are right. Inter-caste marriage was considered wrong, only if the girl belonged to a higher caste. That is y , I said that Draupadi's rejection was justified, keeping in mind the norms of that age.

Originally posted by: shani88

Just re-read the spoilers for this week...one sentence that caught my attention...

[quote]On the other hand Draupadi is getting restless in the women's chambers.[/quote]

This "restlessness" from Draupadi is while the dice game is in progress.

My question is - If Draupadi is in the "women's chambers", how on earth did Dushi manage to enter those chambers in the first place? Or is it regular practice for the rajkumars of HP to enter the "women's chambers", for whatever reason (even if it is to drag out "daasis")?

Also, was Draupadi "alone" in the "women's chambers"? I mean, if Kunti or Gandhari were present alongwith her in the chamber, surely they would've stopped Dushi from dragging her out...or not? 😕

Or, is it that the "restlessness" must've "compelled" Drau to come out of the women's chambers just to check out what was happening in the dice hall, and at the same time, Duri must've sent Dushi to bring her - resulting in both Drau & Dushi "meeting" midway, and he dragged her to the dice hall from thereon?

Otherwise, I cannot see how Dushi could've dragged Drau to the dice hall when she was actually present in the "women's chambers"...

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate

dushi entered it much later. initially it was an elderly messenger and draupadi kept on sending him back from her doorstep to answer her questions. At some point duri was impatient and at Karan's instigation, sent dusi to bring the "dasi" by force if necessary. even then dusi had argued with her a bit before using requisite force. The Televised portrayals just ignore the debate, draupadi did bid for time.

As to dushi entering her room, remember duri ordered him to bring the dasi in. Dasi can be female of das which is slave in literal meaning. Bhristya/sevak and Bhrityaa/sevika means paid servants. A slave had no freedom from his or her master.

Also Draupadi was in a secluded chamber, not all women chamber. This room woudl typically be a little distant from general women's chamber. menstruating women were supposed to leave secluded, not bathe, and dress only in one clothe( to make it easier for them I suppose, tampons weren't invented as of then). Therefore it was a little far from where gandhari and bhanumati was.

Vaisampayana continued,--"Thus commanded, the Pratikamin, who was of the Suta caste, hearing the words of the king, proceeded with haste, and entering the abode of the Pandavas, like a dog in a lion's den, approached the queen of the sons of Pandu. And he said,--'Yudhishthira having been intoxicated with dice, Duryodhana, O Draupadi, hath won thee. Come now, therefore, to the abode of Dhritarashtra. I will take thee, O Yajnaseni, and put thee in some menial work.'

Draupadi said,--'Why, O Pratikamin, dost thou say so? What prince is there who playeth staking his wife? The king was certainly intoxicated with dice. Else, could he not find any other object to stake?'

"The Pratikamin said,--'When he had nothing else to stake, it was then that Ajatasatru, the son of Pandu, staked thee. The king had first staked his brothers, then himself, and then thee, O princess.'

"Draupadi said,--'O son of the Suta race, go, and ask that gambler present in the assembly, whom he hath lost first, himself, or me. Ascertaining this, come hither, and then take me with thee, O son of the Suta race.'

Vaisampayana continued,--"The messenger coming back to the assembly told all present the words of Draupadi. And he spoke unto Yudhishthira sitting in the midst of the kings, these words,--Draupadi hath asked thee, Whose lord wert thou at the time thou lost me in play? Didst thou lose thyself first or me? Yudhishthira, however sat there like one demented and deprived of reason and gave no answer good or ill to the Suta.

"Duryodhana then said,--'Let the princess of Panchala come hither and put her question. Let every one hear in this assembly the words that pass between her and Yudhishthira.'

Vaisampayana continued,--"The messenger, obedient to the command of Duryodhana, going once again to the palace, himself much distressed, said unto Draupadi,--'O princess, they that are in the assembly are summoning thee. It seemeth that the end of the Kauravas is at hand. When Duryodhana, O princess, is for taking thee before the assembly, this weak-brained king will no longer be able to protect his prosperity.'

"Draupadi said,--'The great ordainer of the world hath, indeed, ordained so. Happiness and misery pay their court to both the wise and unwise. Morality, however, it hath been said, is the one highest object in the world. If cherished, that will certainly dispense blessings to us. Let not that morality now abandon the Kauravas. Going back to those that are present in that assembly, repeat these my words consonant with morality. I am ready to do what those elderly and virtuous persons conversant with morality will definitely tell me.

Vaisampayana continued,--"The Suta, hearing these words of Yajnaseni, came back to the assembly and repeated the words of Draupadi. But all sat with faces downwards, uttering not a word, knowing the eagerness and resolution of Dhritarashtra's son.

"Yudhishthira, however, O bull of the Bharata race, hearing of Duryodhana's intentions, sent a trusted messenger unto Draupadi, directing that although she was attired in one piece of cloth with her navel itself exposed, in consequence of her season having come, she should come before her father-in-law weeping bitterly. And that intelligent messenger, O king, having gone to Draupadi's abode with speed, informed her of the intentions of Yudhishthira. The illustrious Pandavas, meanwhile, distressed and sorrowful, and bound by promise, could not settle what they should do. And casting his eyes upon them, king Duryodhana, glad at heart, addressed the Suta and said,--'O Pratikamin, bring her hither. Let the Kauravas answer her question before her face. The Suta, then, obedient to his commands, but terrified at the (possible) wrath of the daughter of Drupada, disregarding his reputation for intelligence, once again said to those that were in the assembly,--what shall I say unto Krishna?'

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate

dushi entered it much later. initially it was an elderly messenger and draupadi kept on sending him back from her doorstep to answer her questions. At some point duri was impatient and at Karan's instigation, sent dusi to bring the "dasi" by force if necessary. even then dusi had argued with her a bit before using requisite force. The Televised portrayals just ignore the debate, draupadi did bid for time.

As to dushi entering her room, remember duri ordered him to bring the dasi in. Dasi can be female of das which is slave in literal meaning. Bhristya/sevak and Bhrityaa/sevika means paid servants. A slave had no freedom from his or her master.

Also Draupadi was in a secluded chamber, not all women chamber. This room woudl typically be a little distant from general women's chamber. menstruating women were supposed to leave secluded, not bathe, and dress only in one clothe( to make it easier for them I suppose, tampons weren't invented as of then). Therefore it was a little far from where gandhari and bhanumati was.

Originally posted by: devashree_h

I had read somewhere recently, when he tried to drag when she was in her chamber, she ran to place other Royal women were. But he caught her by hair and started dragging her. There is a beautiful description here that the beautiful curly, black hair that was purified with Mantras of Rajsui Yagna were being dishonored in such a way.