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In the pre-cap they showed Shakuni telling Karna to play on behalf of Dhuryodhan, was this there or again they have added? As i know he goes and makes an attempt of lifting the bow right? According to what they are showing Dhuryodhana is nothing without Karna!! 😕

Originally posted by: Rehanism

And Krishna had no influence in that decision as its show in modern interpretations?

If Draupadi had the right to choose her husband at the swayamvar, did she have the right to refuse to polyandry? Because then it appeared to be entirely Yudhistir's decision.

@bold - that makes Karna an ancient counter part to modern day acid throwers.

Originally posted by: vash_aries

In the pre-cap they showed Shakuni telling Karna to play on behalf of Dhuryodhan, was this there or again they have added? As i know he goes and makes an attempt of lifting the bow right? According to what they are showing Dhuryodhana is nothing without Karna!! 😕

Originally posted by: Rehanism

One little thing. Saying 'Caste system was not wrong in those days' is like saying 'Racism was not wrong before 20th century' or 'Widow-burning was not wrong before 19th century'. Of course they were wrong. There's difference between something being prevalent and the thing being not wrong. Morality doesn't pop up in isolation - it evolves upon challenging existing ideas. Therefore virtue is not in being a conformist or hiding behind moral relativism but in discarding or correcting wrong beliefs of majority.

Originally posted by: sw123

that was swayamvar of mitravinda but arjun did not participate and that was before draupadi swayamvar

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

@bold: He accepted Dury's offer as that would let him utilize his skills without any hurdle that his caste gave. Agreed if you din't mean anything else.

how can we expect Dury to renounce the throne dear? we know who he was and what he was.. he never considered Yudi to be the right heir as he thought the Pandavas came from nowhere.. if they all had been brought up together and from the initial days given the idea that Yudishtar will be the next King all 104 brothers might have accepted.. Forget Duryodhan, when a man like Yudi was not ready to renounce the throne how do we expect Dury to do that?

I too agree that Draupadi had all the right to choose her husband and prefer not to marry a person of lower caste. But it was not a condition of the swayamvar but hers. Respect her POV. but an insult is an insult. in front of such a big gathering. we should be open to understand his humiliation, like him or not.. and insult from the opposite gender leaves a bigger impact even in today's world. when a woman insults a man it is still more greater, coz women were considered much much lesser in status than men. Now feminists dont pounce on me.. If we are ready to accept caste bias of those days, on no grounds we can overlook gender bias that was equally strong.

I know you are a Karna fan. Even Karna knew what kind of person Yudhishthir was. He asked Krishna not to disclose his real identity as Yudhishthir would handover his throne to him after knowing it. If Duryodhan was at Yudhishthir's place, Karna could not say so in spite of being his closest friend as everybody knew Duryodhan's nature. Suppose Karna was eldest son of Gandhari instead of Kunti. Would Duryodhan sacrifice his throne to Karna then after knowing him as eldest brother? Certainly not.

@ blue: I do not support caste system in any era. But remember that Draupadi was a divine girl appeared from yajna fire, & there was a comment from Gods during her birth that she would cause the destroy of Kuru dynasty. When that was destined already, how could she marry Karna who was slave of Kuru kingdom as well as Duryodhan in form of friend? How could that divine girl marry a supporter of adharma? Also, Drupad wanted Arjun only as his son in law & I think Draupadi knew this. Karna was then well known as Arjun's rival so she had to refuse him. A girl always wants a good person as husband so Draupadi announced her choice because varmala was at her hand & it was her wish. Calling Karna suta putra' is not an insult from an extent as sutas were not so much hated at that time, & also, she had no other option to state as a reason to refuse Karna, so she told it normally. I mean she did not want to insult Karna, just wanted to prevent him from taking part in swayamvar.

Now dear friend, if you think that it is ok for Karna to insult Draupadi in dyutasabha as return, then I must disagree. Suppose a boy propose a girl but the girl don't want to marry him, will it be ok for the boy to take revenge on her later by torturing her in a helpless condition? & was the insult of Draupadi done by Karna not much much greater offense than Draupadi's refuse in swyamvar?

Originally posted by: Rushika

Now is it a distortion or a fact that Karna was asked to win the swayamvar for Duryodhan or was it for himself? 😕

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Most probably distortion/interpretation.. No such conversation happened between them before Karna could go forward..