Were Pandavs really the sons of GODS!? - Page 3

Originally posted by: rasyafan

I doubt that Kunti and Madri did niyog with some rishi Ved Vyas ji clearly said that kunit was given a mantra by rishi Durvasa and if she invoked god she will have sons, only gods can be invoked even if one is doing yagya then also gods are invoked a human being is never invoked and if some rishi munis had to make madri or kunti pregnant then why invoke them???

Doesn't make any sense to me 😕

Originally posted by: rasyafan

The mantra to invoke gods can be done three times only
Niyog with rishi munis can be done several times
and there is no need to invoke humans or rishi munis
only gods can be invoked thru mantra or yagyas not humans
and kunti madri did not do niyog
gods were invoked who transferred their ansh inot womb of both the women

@bold:
who said that?? if u discount madri's use, still counting karna , kunti did it 4 times! and niyog cannot be done several times! there is a limit.

Originally posted by: rasyafan

The mantra to invoke gods can be done three times only
Niyog with rishi munis can be done several times
and there is no need to invoke humans or rishi munis
only gods can be invoked thru mantra or yagyas not humans
and kunti madri did not do niyog
gods were invoked who transferred their ansh inot womb of both the women

@ Bhas- It is possible that Pandu did not live long after Nakul- Sahadev were born . Madri committed sati so no more kids from her.

the Parabrahman in Its form as the Sound Brahman (Shabda-Brahman or Saguna-Brahman), whose substance is all Mantra, exists in the body of the Jivatma.. Kundalini Shakti is a form of the Shabda-Brahman in individual bodies (Sharada-Tilaka, Ch. 1). It is from this Shabda-Brahman that the whole universe proceeds in the form of sound (Shabda) and the objects (Artha) which sounds or words denote. And this is the meaning of the statement that the Devi and the Universe are composed of letters, that is, the signs for the sounds which denote all that is. By Mantra, the sought-for (Sadhya) Devata appears, and by Siddhi therein is had vision of the three worlds. As the Mantra is in fact Devata, by practice thereof this is known. Not merely do the rhythmical vibrations of its sounds regulate the unsteady vibrations of the sheaths of the worshipper, but therefrom the image of the Devata appears

So what i am guessing from these discussions is that as per the original MB book its clearly mentioned that kunti unites with god's so that pandavas are born.But whether she united with them in spiritual form or physical form isnt clearly mentioned and is upto ones own interpretation?Am i right?

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

So what i am guessing from these discussions is that as per the original MB book its clearly mentioned that kunti unites with god's so that pandavas are born.But whether she united with them in spiritual form or physical form isnt clearly mentioned and is upto ones own interpretation?Am i right?

also as far as i remember in the original MB its not clearly mentioned that kunti carries children in her womb for nine months.I mean as far as i remember they just say kunti unites with yama and yudhishtir is born so its not clear whether she actually carries children in her womb for 9 months or chilren are born as they show in MB serials

hey
MB says "Kunti was united (in intercourse) with the god of justice in his spiritual form", now dont know how to interpret the spiritual form here.
Also when she calls surya: "Surya (Sun) replied, 'I know that Durvasa hath granted this boon. But cast off thy fears, timid maiden, and grant me thy embraces."

i think she did carry her babies to term. at least for karna she says she did. and given the gap of 1 year difference between the pandavas, it seems she went full-term.
"Kunti said, 'Thou art Kunti's son, and not Radha's. Nor is Adhiratha thy father. Thou, O Karna, art not born in the Suta order. Believe what I say. Thou wert brought forth by me while a maiden. I held thee first in my womb. O son, thou wert born in the palace of Kuntiraja."
The eldest of Kunti's children was called Yudhishthira, the second Bhimasena, and the third Arjuna, and of Madri's sons, the first-born of the twins was called Nakula and the next Sahadeva. And those foremost
sons born at an interval of one year after one another, looked like an embodied period of five years

For a male child to be born it needs X and Y chromosome. The Y chromosome isnt present in a female and has to come from a male. With artificial insemination or invitro fertilization a virgin birth is possible but both need sperms! Births have taken place in insects, reptiles and fishes without fertilization through parthenogenesis but the offspring would always be a female.

Originally posted by: mnx12

A different approach to this topic:

First of all God & Devas are different. Brhmaji,Vishnuji & Shivji are Gods. Indra, Vayu, Surya are Devas. Rishi Durvasa's mantra given to Kunti was the main reason for getting Pandavas. So let's understand, what is Mantra-Shakti.

from: http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/sas/sas24.htm

It is said of all the Shastras, symbolized as a body, that Tantra Shastra which consists of Mantra is the Paramatma, the Vedas are the Jivatma, Darshanas or systems of philosophy are the senses, Puranas are the body and the Smritis are the limbs. Tantra Shastra is thus the Shakti of Consciousness consisting of Mantra,

the Parabrahman in Its form as the Sound Brahman (Shabda-Brahman or Saguna-Brahman), whose substance is all Mantra, exists in the body of the Jivatma.. Kundalini Shakti is a form of the Shabda-Brahman in individual bodies (Sharada-Tilaka, Ch. 1). It is from this Shabda-Brahman that the whole universe proceeds in the form of sound (Shabda) and the objects (Artha) which sounds or words denote. And this is the meaning of the statement that the Devi and the Universe are composed of letters, that is, the signs for the sounds which denote all that is. By Mantra, the sought-for (Sadhya) Devata appears, and by Siddhi therein is had vision of the three worlds. As the Mantra is in fact Devata, by practice thereof this is known. Not merely do the rhythmical vibrations of its sounds regulate the unsteady vibrations of the sheaths of the worshipper, but therefrom the image of the Devata appears

Mantrasiddhi is the ability to make a Mantra efficacious and to gather its fruit in which case the Sadhaka is Mantra-siddha. Mantra-sidhha sadhaka- "Whatever the Sadhaka desires that he surely obtains." Whilst therefore prayer may end in merely physical sound, Mantra is ever, when rightly said, a potent compelling force, a word of power effective both to produce material gain and accomplish worldly desires,

When Kunti recited the mantra given by Durvasa, which was a Sidhha mantra, she could make the Deva appear in front of her, he has to grant her wish as that mantra was for the specific purpose of getting a son. Pandavas were known as Dharmaputra, Vayuputra but never as Kunti & Dharmaraj's putra or Kunti & Vayu's putra. That indicates Deva's giving her a ready made baby is quite possible.

One more possibality is when Kunti awakened that Deva, his male energy combined with Kunti's Kundalini shakti created a jeeva in Kunti's womb. There was no Physical union with that Deva. Dwapar yuga's time was more charged with +ve energies compared to Kali yuga, so it is possible to get a baby through Mantra Sidhhi.

very well explained 👏 yes Kunti did get children from Devtas and not through physical contact either without getting pregnant or by getting prgnant but they were not chidlren of sages

Originally posted by: mnx12

. Pandavas were known as Dharmaputra, Vayuputra but never as Kunti & Dharmaraj's putra or Kunti & Vayu's putra. That indicates Deva's giving her a ready made baby is quite possible.

The pandavas were also known as ' Pandavas" and "kaunteya" at different times. Karna was known as "radheya" - was he radha's ( his foster mom) actual son.?

^^ Kaurava's were known as Dhritarashtra & Gandhari's sons. Pandavas were never known as Pandu's or Kunti putra, never as Kunti & the respective Deva's name combined. This pt was to show Devas gave them as babies to fulfill rishi Durvasa's Sidhha Mantra.