Were Pandavs really the sons of GODS!? - Page 2

Originally posted by: varaali

^^^ Peridot- you have to ask the author, Indrajit Bandopadhyay. 😊

My own view is that, the Pandavas did have human fathers - not the Devas. Who were they- rishis, relatives, is anyone's guess.

Then what about the mantra of Durvasa? The mantra would be to infuse the foetus with some outstanding qualities of any particular deva. The actual impregnation would have to be done by a man, but once pregnant, Kunti could use the mantra to call upon a particular Deva to transmit his special powers to the child in her womb.

Actaully I find a lot of loop holes in the author's second version 😊 As I said before his earlier version sounds more logical. The pandavas had to have human fathers. The divine qualities can be invoked in any human by deep prayers.

Originally posted by: bhas1066

So who are the actual fathers of pandavas? There are two theories for this question:
The first is
Karna - Durvasa/Brahmana of Suurya Gotra (residing in Jarasamdha's Magadha)
Yudhishthira - Vidura (Yudhishthira's birth by Vidura has been much discussed, starting from Iravati Kanve's work Yuganta, thats why a chariot and not a bufallo?)
Bhiima - A rishi of Kasyapa-Naga origin/ Kimdama(some sources theorize that he transgressed the prescriptions of Shashtrik niyoga-dharma' in his intercourse with Kunti! And that is the reason why Pandu killed Kindama with five arrows in a fit of great anger!)
Arjuna - Pandu
Nakula-Sahadeva - Dhaumya (SECTION XXV of VANA PARVA mentions - And their priest, Dhaumya endued with great energy, like unto a father to those princes,began to perform the sacrificial rites of Ishti and Paitreya for the Pandavas residing in that great forest.')

ok first of all the guys who wrote those comments abt arjun being the biological son of pandu did some half baked research and posted it. none of the pandavas were born coz of pandu. he went to forest for penance by choice not by force. moreover first people here claim that he produced sons under the pretense of penance. so lemme ask you, do you believe that he got that curse? if yes then how did can he produce sons in forest? if no, why did he goto the forest for penance at all? so far arjun being bio son of pandu is concerned, that under no circumstances to be true coz indra himself has declared many times in mahabharat that arjun is his son. other pandavas too come other different devatas. so is it like mandatory to have abnormal pregnancy span to prove that kunti got pandavas through devtas? why didnt that happen when ram or krishna were born? they were born normally but they are God. so far offsprings of devtas are concerned, this is not the first time they had sons on earth so them not interfering in earthly matters is true to a certain extent but they do interfere when a war for dharm is about to happen and God takes avatar on earth. did the blog posters forgot ramayan? there is no mention in mahabharat that pandu was impotent. his health was a bit weak coz of the circumstances of his birth. so people here can accept niyoga then why do they have to justify birth of pandavas by devtas by saying that pandu was getting medical treatment and arjun was biological son of pandu? how can one case be accepted widout modern rationality and same type of another case be not accepted coz devtas were involved? thats like denying the fact that devtas' offsprings are born on earth during special circumstances.

well as per me the original MB and all its versions and interpretations mention that pandavas were sons of god's and hence were demi god's .Since that is what ved vyas has written i believe that to be truth.

I think we need to sort out a few things first -

Originally posted by: peridot.

I think we need to sort out a few things first -

- can babies drop from the sky?

- Who exactly were these Gods like Indra, Vayu, Surya etc? were they supernatural beings, aliens or some powerful humans with more developed technology at their disposal?

- Can humans mate with non- humans and produce babies?

About the various curses or Shraap in MB:

- Do shraaps work?

- can they be negated?

We have several incidences where shraaps were given freely and people had to bear the effects of it. It was never negated fully ...only modified slightly at times. Therefore if Pandu was given a shraap by Rishi Kindam could he have borne any child? Was the duration and severity of the penances he did in the forest sufficient to negate the Rishi's shraap? Not likely. I dont think Yudi was born too long after the curse thereby allowing little time to do penance that could have been sufficient to negate the shraap ie if at all a shraap could be fully negated.

Its quite probable that human beings like Rishis ( who were quite learned and powerful those days) performed niyog with Kunti and Madri ...similar to Vyasa with A-A. Attributing Gods as pandavas fathers would increase their chances of their acceptability as Hastinapur heirs .

Many interpretations have been done on Rishi Ved Vyas's original Mahabharat and many reasonings and logics have been given too with twists of their own. The original mahabharat has been distorted to such length that original mahabharat has been lost somewhere or there is a lot of confusion. A great loss for us.😭

The original mentions that Pandav's were children of devtas so they were just that. The original says that Pandu was cursed so that he could not maintain marital relationship with his wives so he could not have any child biologically. So how come 5 pandav kids could be his biological chidlren.

It also mentions that Kunti had been given a mantra by Rishi Durvasa to give birth by any god whom she invokes thru that mantra and she did give birth to Karn thru suryadev so how come Rishi Durvasa become karn's father 😕 and Karn was suryadev's children who had given kunti promise to protect also gave kavatch for his protection thru which Bheeshm and Kunti came to know about his identity.

Why is it so difficult to accept devtas being true? Right from ved to other sacred texts these devtas have been mentioned so why is their doubt of their existence.

When Kunti invoked gods she was not given a child or dropped from air into her hands, god's divine ansh or energy was transfered into her womb which impregnated her therefor all the pandav putra had their biological father's ansh in them respectively. and Kunti was not impregnated by normal sexual intercourse with devtas.

As for why pandav's never refered to their bilogical father it wa bcoz from childhood they were told that their father is pandu and no one else though they had a knowledge that the devtas are their fathers.

Even today if a small child is told that his step father is his father then he would accept him as his father why would he call someone else his father especially whom he has never seen. 😕

So what is strange or mysterious about pandav's calling pandu as their father and not god.

As told by rishi vedvyas ji that Yudhisthir was borned by invoking of Dharm Raj Devta also known as Yamraj. Yudhisthir was always doing his duty well not once did he forget about it that is why he did not die but went to swarg with his human body intact. This prooves that he was a dutyful humanbeing alsways taking actions according to dharm and his father was Dharmraj.

Yudhisthira's other brother brothers Bhim (born by invoking Vayu), Arjun (born by invoking Indradev) and the twins Nakul and Sahadev, (born to Pandu's second wife Madri by invoking the Ashwini Devs). Karn, by invoking Surya Dev. Each had charactersticks given to them by their respective devta fahters. Like Ashwini devtas are known for their beauty and handsome looks and out of 5 pandavs both nakul and sehdev were handsome and very good looking.

So Devtas were the fathers of Kunti's chidlren. All 6 of them.

hi
nice debate going on. i had written my doubts in the write-up itself , however one more question popped into my mind- if we are to take that pandavs were born from niyoga with rishis and not devas, then why should have madri stopped wth once? according to the rules of niyoga she is allowed three times right?

Originally posted by: peridot.

I think we need to sort out a few things first -

- can babies drop from the sky?

Babies were not dropped but divine energy was transfered into womb of kunti making her pregnant

- Who exactly were these Gods like Indra, Vayu, Surya etc? were they supernatural beings, aliens or some powerful humans with more developed technology at their disposal?

Unlike superman batman spider man, they were gods devtas who perform each action or dharm or duty given to them by mother nature or brahma ji or trinity gods once they were created to do just that action. So that the whole shrishti can be operated very well and smoothly without any problems or hindrences such as Indra king of all devtas is rain god and he holds thunder bolt to strike clouds so that they can shower rains on earth and make it fertile for agriculture.

Sun is the life source of earth and entire solar system it gives us life

Vayu gives us oxigen and praan to live

Ashwini kumars are the medicine gods they give us aushadhi to make our ill bodies healthy

Varun dev devta of water bodies on earth he keeps water intact on earth so that all living beings can live their lives.

Brahmaji creates
vishnu ji sustains
Shivji destroys

That is why there are 33 million gods each god does his own work very well to keep this whole universe running

- Can humans mate with non- humans and produce babies?

There are several refereces according to our sacred texts and intense research all over the world is going on to find the authenticity of these sanatan dharm's texts

Earlier we used to believe these texts with our whole hearth and foreigners used to doubt these and not believe in them
now indians are doubting and foreigners are intensely researching on these especially on mantras

😆😆 strange is our world

Yesterday I received a mail form one of my relative who lives in canada and see below what he has to say about Gayatri Mantra

Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Fw: Gayatri Mantra

GAYATRI MANTRA" the most powerful hymn in the world

Dr.Howard Steingeril,
an american scientist, collected Mantras, Hymns and invocations from
all over the world and tested their strength in his Physiology
Laboratory...

Hindus' Gayatri Mantra produced 110,000 sound waves /second...

This was the highest and was found to be the most powerful hymn in the
world.
Through the combination of sound or sound waves of a particular
frequency, this Mantra is claimed to be capable of developing specific
spritual potentialities.
The Hamburg university initiated research into the efficacy of the
Gayatri Mantra both on the mental and physical plane of CREATION...

The GAYATRI MANTRA is broadcasted daily for 15 minutes from 7 P.M.
onwards over Radio Paramaribo, Surinam, South America for the past two
years, and in Amsterdam, Holland for the last six months.

"Om Bhoor Bhuwah Swah, Tat Savitur Varenyam, Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi,
Dhiyo Yo Nah Pra-chodayaat !"

"It's meaning:
God is dear to me like my own breath, He is the dispeller of my pains,
and giver of happiness.
I meditate on the supremely adorable Light of the Divine Creator, that
it may inspire my thought and understanding."

This is a great information worth circulating and sharing with one and all
!!

Rest depends on us how we react to our own heritage !!!

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About the various curses or Shraap in MB:

- Do shraaps work?
Yes they used to work very well firstly in satyug treta and dwapar yug when divinity was visible these curses worked very well and they were the life sourse of kaal time. They were excuse to bring climax and turning point to the life on this universe. Without them none of the actions were possible without them life could not have moved forward.

For example karm was cursed by rishi Parshuram that when he needed his kavach most it will desert him. THe day before karn got killed parshuramji came to his dream and said that deliberately he gave that curse to him as karn was destined to die as adharm was on his side and dharm can never be conquered.

So curse was a means to an end.

- can they be negated?

They can never be negated or revoked but you can lesson them. Not even shiv or adi shakti can do it .

We have several incidences where shraaps were given freely and people had to bear the effects of it. It was never negated fully ...only modified slightly at times. Therefore if Pandu was given a shraap by Rishi Kindam could he have borne any child? Was the duration and severity of the penances he did in the forest sufficient to negate the Rishi's shraap? Not likely. I dont think Yudi was born too long after the curse thereby allowing little time to do penance that could have been sufficient to negate the shraap ie if at all a shraap could be fully negated.

Its quite probable that human beings like Rishis ( who were quite learned and powerful those days) performed niyog with Kunti and Madri ...similar to Vyasa with A-A. Attributing Gods as pandavas fathers would increase their chances of their acceptability as Hastinapur heirs .

I doubt that Kunti and Madri did niyog with some rishi Ved Vyas ji clearly said that kunit was given a mantra by rishi Durvasa and if she invoked god she will have sons, only gods can be invoked even if one is doing yagya then also gods are invoked a human being is never invoked and if some rishi munis had to make madri or kunti pregnant then why invoke them???

Doesn't make any sense to me 😕

Originally posted by: bhas1066

hi
nice debate going on. i had written my doubts in the write-up itself , however one more question popped into my mind- if we are to take that pandavs were born from niyoga with rishis and not devas, then why should have madri stopped wth once? according to the rules of niyoga she is allowed three times right?

The mantra to invoke gods can be done three times only
Niyog with rishi munis can be done several times
and there is no need to invoke humans or rishi munis
only gods can be invoked thru mantra or yagyas not humans
and kunti madri did not do niyog
gods were invoked who transferred their ansh inot womb of both the women