Phalguni Bhabhi ki JAI HO!!!!!! *edited*

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Posted: 11 years ago

#71

Originally posted by: mahi_rockstar

sana okay lets talk about it formally😆😛

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Maria

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Posted: 11 years ago

#72

Originally posted by: mahi_rockstar
@maria sorry to butt in but she indirectly said his deed of killing that person is wrong..he also have a innocent family...maut ka badla maut nahin..She might say the same if the person was taken to the court because she is just thinking punishing him would not make any difference now..that would not bring back any of her lost things..But she really forgot to point out the treatment his family is giving her..all these bashans were unnecessary

You didn't get what I said. Read it again. She is talking about the wife because she can relate to the pain of the widow. Like that woman.. she also suffered in the crossfire of a vendetta... that's why she spoke from that POV. That was what the topic is about na? I don't want to comment on Raja... he has his own POV... this post is about Phalguni na?

She said this to him after he told her he killed the man and she should celebrate. She said there is nothing celebrate. Death should not be celebrated Bhuvi. Whoever's it maybe .. and under what circumstances it happens... there is nothing to party about a woman getting widowed and children getting orphaned... it is inhuman! You have to see in what context she said. Let's not talk about what she could have said when this would have happened... I am just talking about that scene... there is no need to think past it.

She didn't object when he told her the man was killed.. she only spoke when he said she should celebrate and be happy.

It was not unnecessary to me.. in fact .. this was the only scene in which she was bearable to me. 😆 But as I said.. the dialouges could have been better...

She did mention the injustice... but only subtly... she talked of the white saree and that her husband cannot return.. it surely shows she meant nothing will change for her.. just that woman will join her club. Other than that .. this death brought nothing. you have to see her mindset.. not just her words.

You tell me what will change for her? She was called the reason for her husband's death for 13 years... she will still be held guilty for that.

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Maria

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Posted: 11 years ago

#73

Originally posted by: -SanaLuvAbhay-
maria but atleast she should have been a bit happy for her dead husbands murderer getting punished but nahi she was worried abt that murderers wife 😆 (i am not saying Raja is right he is completely wrong) but its abt her reaction she would have reacted same if court would have sentenced death to d murderer or she should be atleast happy dat her husbands murderer got punished ya there too she would have asked d judge to not kill him for the sake of his wife?? This is the whole point !!

Sana what is there to be happy about for her? And don't worry I won't drag Raja in here. I am just talking about Phalguni.

How do you know she would have reacted the same? Let's not assume. She talked to Raja about this.. because Raja said she should celebrate. There is nothing to celebrate about a death when she is already paying for one for the last 13 years... she is empathetic towards the widow because she herself is a widow who did not die but cannot termed as an alive person either.

I repeat... she has suffered in crossfire of a vendetta.. so it is only natural that she will feel the pain of those who will suffer in crossfire like her.

And after 13 years... revenge le ke kia hoga.. haven't you heard.. justice delayed is justice denied.. she may have reached a point where it no longer made that much of a difference to her.. she is human only. I am not saying it is right.. but try looking from her POV as well.. when you are ready to judge her.. I am telling you there are people who behave this way... she was into this marriage for how long... 3 months? Then she got widowed and got treated like crap day in and day out.. for 13 years... so it might be that 'revenge' for her husband... took a backseat in her mind...

See .. let's not judge her like this... this is all I am saying... her POV is different ...because she is different from Raja... now I have to bring in Raja a little...for Raja .. he got closure nahin? His parent's killer is murdered... he can move on... he has a love story to deal with as well.. 😆 ... but what good will it do Phalguni.. what will she move on to? Sweeping? Starving on breaking rules? 😆

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Posted: 11 years ago

#74

Originally posted by: Bloody.Passion
First nd foremost the most dominant, repetitive and
even conclusive point in her entire oh so pakao
speech 😆 was if u kill someone's hubby the
lugayi becomes widow irrespective of the fact that killed
Is a damn murderer nd not some innocent nd it was'nt
that some revenge chain was on for generations all 3 ppl
were killed ainvyi.
Raja had witnessed that brutal scenario, he looked
the most affected whereas Dauji was busy batoing his
jaydad right after that 😲 😆 hadd hai!!
But obviously Raja was to be presented more as a culprit
than a victim, why so lets see!

The thing that I wanna say that its not just the
characters that its not just the characters thah are
'FlaweD' but the CV's as well nd Big time they should understand
that there is difference between a 3 hour movie nd a daily soap
that's what went wrong with mentally challenged track
as it was a rip off from several movies here again they are
trying to pull off a Ram leela act. Chalo if u wanna take
inspiration from a hit venture its ok but why take such
a volatile, gun totting, violent backdrop which is too hot to handle
nd u r bound loose path, it only looks gud in films or shows
which have this particular theme certainly not in Meiej where
all this is apparently temporary, then why gothe extreme way!

P.S.-IKR that am sort of ranting but can't help I am done
wid it. Anyways gr8 post Chaks!
And Leela di that was such a good take!
Phewww... I feel relaxed! 😆

Wonderful Post Bloody.Passion. I agree with everything.
I loved what you said about ramleela inspiration. When the dehati track was announced and there were speculations that it would be like ramleela i was totally against it. the film gave me a massive headache.. and its not pleasant to watch mindless violence day in an day out in daily soap.

I agree phalgunis speech could have been better written. And before writing anything let me say I am no characters fan.. I am really not watching the show as I am not connecting with any character.. So I am not writing this to defend raja for the sake of it... or defend phalguni... whatever...

Personally I think its a mistake to just use krk's murder mystery as just another reason for Raja and madhu to be at cross purposes. what I am seeing is... the characters particularly raja madhu so far as I have seen are very one note.. raja who cannot see or think anyhting beyond violence fullstop. And madhu who will oppose everything. thats it.

if you ask me.. the krk mystery could have been nicely used to shape raja's character and also to set up a resolution to this village track. next wat i am writing is simply my alternative theory not my speculation on what may have happened in the show's past. from raja's speech we know that veer bhayya was not like tauji. he was i think more like krk... raja says he was the most harmless guy... raja was 12 years old he wouldnt know what is happening between elders. they could have had raja also being raised by krk to be a very good person... against violence etc.. like veer bhayya... who maybe more fond of krk than his own father... What if there was a rift between krk and his brother over the gair kannoni stuff? I refuse to believe krk with the money given by RK went back to his village and gave the money to tauji to start some illegal business... maybe without krk's knowledge tauji, bhanu were into this stuff? So krk and veer bhayya opposed? and tauji got them killed? they can create a bigger and more dangerous villain in tauji than bhanu... now after krk's death.. maybe tauji brainwashed raja using krk's death to bring him into their business... We could have had a more conflicted raja who retains krk's teaching but is brainwashed by tauji... but is not at peace when he performs these criminal activities... but no we have a completely opposite raja... who is not really a complicated character i feel...

The death of both raja and madhu's parents death and their parents who shared a history together.. all this could have been used to form an emotional bond between raja madhu instead of usign it to drag their antagonism..

Another problem with tracks like ramleela on daily soap is there will be no quick resolution... for a long time there will be incident after incident which will just be used to show both of them having difference of opinion...

coming to todays scene.. raja does say abt phalguni bhabhi being called apshagun and all... so maybe he didnt like it.. but what have we been told abt past?what does he feel about her treatment.. we are never told this because the cvs are not interested... they want raja to be like villagers wrong.. and only madhu understanding bhabhi or whatecer.. but we have seen raja behave decently with bhabhi...
Instead of talking things like why kill the killer... his wife will be widow.. they could have made her ask him questions on how family has treated her.. something which could make him start thinking... I felt the dialogues were not upto the mark...

And ever since the show has started i have been hearing about this is just fiction.. why talk about real life etc etc... when all the unacceptable things in raja madhu's love story can be overlooked as creative liberty.. and just fiction,, dark love story... etc.. then in this case why are we talking about real life villages, law and order and judicial system in real life and all such things?
Among all things I think revenge is one thing done to death in films.. nobody talks about police in films.. always the hero is shown avenging by directly killing .. maybe its because its more emotionally satisfying... but here the purpose is to show raja madhu against each other... so revenge is condemned... werent forum members eager for madhu taking revenge from AK? why was revenge fine there? how can we accept a ram leela inspired story and then demand proper handling of law and order? I think even in this case its fiction..

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_Tangled_

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Posted: 11 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: Valar.Morghulis

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Sana what is there to be happy about for her? And don't worry I won't drag Raja in here. I am just talking about Phalguni.

How do you know she would have reacted the same? Let's not assume. She talked to Raja about this.. because Raja said she should celebrate. There is nothing to celebrate about a death when she is already paying for one for the last 13 years... she is empathetic towards the widow because she herself is a widow who did not die but cannot termed as an alive person either.

I repeat... she has suffered in crossfire of a vendetta.. so it is only natural that she will feel the pain of those who will suffer in crossfire like her.

And after 13 years... revenge le ke kia hoga.. haven't you heard.. justice delayed is justice denied.. she may have reached a point where it no longer made that much of a difference to her.. she is human only. I am not saying it is right.. but try looking from her POV as well.. when you are ready to judge her.. I am telling you there are people who behave this way... she was into this marriage for how long... 3 months? Then she got widowed and got treated like crap day in and day out.. for 13 years... so it might be that 'revenge' for her husband... took a backseat in her mind...

See .. let's not judge her like this... this is all I am saying... her POV is different ...because she is different from Raja... now I have to bring in Raja a little...for Raja .. he got closure nahin? His parent's killer is murdered... he can move on... he has a love story to deal with as well.. 😆 ... but what good will it do Phalguni.. what will she move on to? Sweeping? Starving on breaking rules? 😆</font></font>

nahi yaar i am not talking abt her suffering and what she has gone through for past 13 yrs i know her life has been a hell since then but the point was abt the criminal getting punished and her reaction on that...and from celebration Raja didnt meant come lets dance wid me but it was like finally his brother and her husband got justice(acc to Raja) so it was like finally his brother will be at peace and its a thing to celebrate for him and as his wife he expected her to be happy...i am not saying she should celebrate but atleast feel happy for her dead pati and also whatever she has gone through and is going through dis hell now in which along wid dis crap village mindset that murderer is also responsible for her miseries as he is d one who killed her innocent hubby and due to which she is treated like a shit...so dats whats d point dont celebrate as there is nothing for her to celebrate but the reaction she gave wasnt even apt !!

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Maria

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Posted: 11 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: -SanaLuvAbhay-
nahi yaar i am not talking abt her suffering and what she has gone through for past 13 yrs i know her life has been a hell since then but the point was abt the criminal getting punished and her reaction on that...and from celebration Raja didnt meant come lets dance wid me but it was like finally his brother and her husband got justice(acc to Raja) so it was like finally his brother will be at peace and its a thing to celebrate for him and as his wife he expected her to be happy...i am not saying she should celebrate but atleast feel happy for her dead pati and also whatever she has gone through and is going through dis hell now in which along wid dis crap village mindset that murderer is also responsible for her miseries as he is d one who killed her innocent hubby and due to which she is treated like a shit...so dats whats d point dont celebrate as there is nothing for her to celebrate but the reaction she gave wasnt even apt !!

Sana ... as I said.. it may have happened that this 'revenge' was no longer in her to-do list... as that list has been occupied with dozens of house chores and regressive traditions that she has to follow as a widow..

Maybe she was living in the present... maybe she was being a little selfish.. a little human... she was into that marriage for a couple of months.. but she has lived as a widow for 13 years... her loyalties may have shifted a little.. more to herself than to her deceased husband... she may have made peace with husband's death... see I am not defending her.. this is her first scene that I saw properly where she got to talk... I do not know about her character.. so I cannot judge her...

It may bring her some peace ... but it cannot bring her happiness, Sana. Big difference there. Hence, no reason to celebrate.

I think I am sounding like a broken recorder...forget it. 😆

She is not worth it. Itna toh main ne JM aur Raja ko bhi explain nahin kia.. 😆 Woh chhoro.. shayad RK ko bhi I didn't explain this much.😆

P.S. I am not talking about Raja in this post.. nor am I pointing fingers at him.

Edited by Valar.Morghulis - 11 years ago

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Kenno

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Posted: 11 years ago

#77

Originally posted by: Valar.Morghulis

You didn't get what I said. Read it again. She is talking about the wife because she can relate to the pain of the widow. Like that woman.. she also suffered in the crossfire of a vendetta... that's why she spoke from that POV. That was what the topic is about na? I don't want to comment on Raja... he has his own POV... this post is about Phalguni na?

Maria..Me too not talking about Raja..😆

She said this to him after he told her he killed the man and she should celebrate. She said there is nothing celebrate. Death should not be celebrated Bhuvi. Whoever's it maybe .. and under what circumstances it happens... there is nothing to party about a woman getting widowed and children getting orphaned... it is inhuman! You have to see in what context she said. Let's not talk about what she could have said when this would have happened... I am just talking about that scene... there is no need to think past it.

I agree to what you have said..infact I got your point..I am not at all for celebrating the death of any person but she sounded to me like punishing that person does not make any difference to her..be it court or any other way..she dont bother about it much..okay lets leave that aside

She didn't object when he told her the man was killed.. she only spoke when he said she should celebrate and be happy.

It was not unnecessary to me.. in fact .. this was the only scene in which she was bearable to me. 😆 But as I said.. the dialouges could have been better...

I have no problems with her anyway..😛 😆but the dilogues could have been effective..

She did mention the injustice... but only subtly... she talked of the white saree and that her husband cannot return.. it surely shows she meant nothing will change for her.. just that woman will join her club. Other than that .. this death brought nothing. you have to see her mindset.. not just her words.

Yes if she really wants to talk her heart out to Raja..she could have mentioned the way his family is treating her..its been the bigger suffering than her husbands death..his death is not the reason for her humiliations all these years..So if the husband dies everyother treating women just like falguni is not acceptable..she missed that point..Ofcourse Raja cannot understand it due to his upbringing where certain norms exist for widows

You tell me what will change for her? She was called the reason for her husband's death for 13 years... she will still be held guilty for that.

My replies in blue 😳

ETA: I think the dilogue writers wanted to give a reality check to raja through her 😆

Edited by mahi_rockstar - 11 years ago

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Maria

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Posted: 11 years ago

#78

Oh God Bhuvi! I am tire of typing! Seriously! 😆

Just check my replies to Sana please... 😆

And yeah.. she didn't say of the injustice done to her by Raja's family to Raja .. because if you remember Raja did that himself... in that very scene.. he told JM how Phalguni was treated badly and called jinx and all.. it's not like he doesn't know it.. so why should she tell him?

Aur koi point tha kia? Ho toh PM me.. we will talk later.. 😆

This really made me tired. Aj kuch ziada hi typing ho gayi.. 😆

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Neela

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Posted: 11 years ago

#79

I guess the way words came out from Falguni's mouth was not well written.

She could have mentioned her concerns more clearly.

She was trying to make a point that the way widows are being tortured, so why making more widows? She is suffering and can understands the pain of widows.

We cannot or shouldn't assume what she would have done or said if the killer was hanged by law and enforcement.

If Raja really wants to do right things, stand for her and fight with the family to give her mental peace.

If a person getting verbal abuse and humiliation 24/7 I don't think that person will have time to think for her husband who was killed long 13 yrs ago, because she will be tired for long 13 yrs fighting for her existence and getting punished for the crime (becoming widow) she didn't commit.

Big Q is whether by killing her husbands killer can ease her daily humiliations? Nah na!

So, it is not about the revenge anymore, she was murmuring about the hell life she is passing in a daily basis!

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Valar.Morghulis

Sana what is there to be happy about for her? And don't worry I won't drag Raja in here. I am just talking about Phalguni.

How do you know she would have reacted the same? Let's not assume. She talked to Raja about this.. because Raja said she should celebrate. There is nothing to celebrate about a death when she is already paying for one for the last 13 years... she is empathetic towards the widow because she herself is a widow who did not die but cannot termed as an alive person either.

I repeat... she has suffered in crossfire of a vendetta.. so it is only natural that she will feel the pain of those who will suffer in crossfire like her.

And after 13 years... revenge le ke kia hoga.. haven't you heard.. justice delayed is justice denied.. she may have reached a point where it no longer made that much of a difference to her.. she is human only. I am not saying it is right.. but try looking from her POV as well.. when you are ready to judge her.. I am telling you there are people who behave this way... she was into this marriage for how long... 3 months? Then she got widowed and got treated like crap day in and day out.. for 13 years... so it might be that 'revenge' for her husband... took a backseat in her mind...

See .. let's not judge her like this... this is all I am saying... her POV is different ...because she is different from Raja... now I have to bring in Raja a little...for Raja .. he got closure nahin? His parent's killer is murdered... he can move on... he has a love story to deal with as well.. 😆 ... but what good will it do Phalguni.. what will she move on to? Sweeping? Starving on breaking rules? 😆

Nicely explained maria...Lets not assume what she would do if the killer was served his life in jail or whatever! nothing will change for her sufferings in this house. Her humiliations will continue as long as she live.

For an illiterate woman and widow in a very back dated village who is suffering 24/7 will never care for what happened to the killer after 13 years. All she can think about what she is going through.

If anyone like to help her or to see her celebrating needs to save her from this humiliations period.