Points to be Noted: Few things from a Sultanian

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 12 years ago

Contrary to some satirical Sulbala praises regarding Sultan's 'junoon' and obsessiveness, let me state clearly that plenty of us Sultanians and Sulbalians are NOT in favor of such junoon. We were against RK's junoon, his obsessiveness, his sexual harassment, his emotional abuse, his stalking and the abusive relationship that is RK-Madhu, so WHY would many of us be enjoying and rooting for Sultan's 'junoon' for Madhu. No. Plenty of us are not in support of it nor are we over how much Sultan loves her and how he's showing the depth of his obsessive crazy love.

What makes us enjoy this Sultan are two things: that this is an act by him, and also that he keeps 'winning' over RK and Madhu's 'eternal, everlasting, love'.😆 We don't have any love or respect for RK and Madhu's anokha pyar. Anokha, being a euphemism for an abusive and unhealthy relationship of course.

Does this mean we all think that Sultan has the right to harass and intimidate her just because he is only pretending? No, plenty of us do not believe he has that right. Nor are many of us dreaming about some sort of blackmail marriage carried out through 'zabardasti' so to speak. That was RK-Bala, and I was one of those who found it demeaning and insulting from the START. So why would I support a similar type of set up for Sultan-Madhu?

Neither do I think it's charming for a woman to be used as some kind of ping-pong or some kind of puppet between two men's ego-clashes, battles, games etc.

So why are some of us still watching and sticking with the show? Because we want to see what the CVs are going to throw at us next week. Because one thing we know, Sultan is doing all of this for some reason. What that reason is will be revealed next week, we will hope. And perhaps, just perhaps, it will turn out that his reasons are valid and his methods are understandable.

Oh, and to close off, whatever Sultan has done till now doesn't hold even a candle to all that Mr. Rishabh has done to Madhu. If Sultan were doing this simply to get Madhu, without any reason, he could've truly fallen to RK's level and kidnapped her and tied her to his bed a la RK. Try/pretend as Sultan might, he still hasn't fallen to RK's level. Not even close.

And to those who want a reminder of just some of what RK has done, here you go:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3685128/rishbala-how-sweet

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3670177/madhubala-do-u-really-want-somebody-like-that Enjoy😛

**Made on behalf of myself and many others who are in the same boat or on a similar boat as I am.***

Edit - Oops I forgot to add to my post. I remember the real Sultan. The one who said that in his world neither do they put their hands on women, nor do they publicly humiliate them. THAT was our Sultan. The Sultan we loved..

Edit Again. From Page 14. Thank you Orion for this vid - https://dai.ly/x12m2hk

That first scene, THAT is our Sultan--the one who refused Padmini's request and talked SENSE. The one who refused to do anything against Madhu's wishes and wouldn't disrespect her by kidnapping her.

And of course the SULTAN who promised to be the WALL that RK will have to go through should he retaliate against Madhu.

Edited by likarsh - 12 years ago

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fia21

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Posted: 12 years ago

Fab post Liks 👏

Honestly, I don't know why some geniuses are under the impression that majority of the Sultan fans are their replicas who change their statements for their convenience. In short, double standards. I for one do not fall in that category. Because if I did, I would have been making thousands of posts praising Sultan, but I don't. Why? Because the things that I didn't approve of RK doing to Madhu, I wouldn't approve of Sultan doing the same to her either. Like how some people have come forward now and spoken of Madhu being mistreated, I wonder where they were when RK was doing the same to Madhu, even worse for that matter. But when it comes to Sultan, their morals and principles suddenly awaken. I am not following the show currently, but I do keep tabs on whatever is going on presently, and hence, I did catch a glimpse or two of the "New Sultan" . And might I say, I am definitely impressed. Not with the sudden overnight change in his character, but by seeing a "One Expression" actor, as many like to tag him with that title to boost their ego, essaying another shade to his character so damn perfectly. If I was impressed with him playing a Righteous Gangster, than my admiration for him playing a Ruthless Gangster has increased volumes. Maybe that is the only thing that is still binding me to this show. His amazing portrayal of both the positive and negative sides of his character.

That said, yes there is still a part of me that thinks, or maybe hopes, that whatever Sultan is doing right now has some whole other story to it. I could be wrong, and I am prepared for that, but I for one am having a hard time believing that someone like Sultan, who put his family and respect for women above everything else, could change so drastically in just one night. A journey that started off about getting justice for his Mother suddenly turned into getting Madhu, it's really weird. Maybe there is more to the story, maybe their isn't. But whatever it is, Sultan can never stoop to the level that RK did. Many may disapprove of this, but it's their choice and their perspective, which I won't question. But yes Sultan chasing a married woman like this is definitely wrong. If she doesn't want to be with him, he should just let it go. But then again, if he really wanted to be with her, he had so many opportunities even before Madhu got married to RK. But he was the one who always tried to convince Madhu to do the right thing, and also tried to explain to her that she should give up her revenge plan against RK. I refuse to believe that NOW of all times, he suddenly realizes he wants her in his life.

I had always wanted to see Madhu as a strong and independent woman. That was what had initially got me hooked to the show. But alas, I asked for too much. This show turned out to be everything about an arrogant Superstar. And that image of a strong woman got overshadowed by his antics gradually. Even with the revenge plan she made, I was really happy to see some shades of grey in her as that was something never seen before on Indian television. But again, I hoped for too much. Madhu as a character has turned out to be very disappointing. Either she doesn't speak up for herself, or she doesn't do it at the right time. Which is no less than not speaking at all. The idea of being in love has completely turned off her brain switch. Anyway all said and done, I may not be approving of Sultan's present actions, but I am definitely loving Avinesh in this new avatar. His expressions, his dialogue delivery, everything is PERFECT. And a while ago I came across the TRP breakdown which has a rating of 2.6 , the highest, for Saturday's episode, where Sultan returns from the dead. Seems like the TRP audience was enjoying this "Dead or Alive" mystery of Sultan along with Shivdutt Marathe's amazing style of giving a reality check to the Kundras.

Whatever the future holds for Sultan, Avinesh has definitely shined portraying this character. And if Sultan REALLY and PERMANENTLY turns into a negative character, then it's goodbye to him and this show from me forever!

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Anu

@Anu-Reddy

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Posted: 12 years ago

Wonderful post Liks and a much needed one👏.

Yes, we all fell for the Sultan who was the golden hearted, as ppl here in this very forum termed him to be. He was everything R could never have been. He was kind, strong and respectable keeping his profession aside. Never did we ever see a glimpse of this Sultan in that Sultan. We were made to fall in love with him and so we did. Now comes the twist one fine day, or lets say one not so fine night and he decides to use force to get things. But if he was really that kind, he wouldve easily gotten whatever he wants long time back. If he really wants Madhu, he couldve easily kidnapped her against her will any time before marriage, but he didnt. Why? Didnt he realise what he was letting go? He isnt that naive and he very well knew that M getting married means, he cannot get her ever and yet he never resorted to any of the things that he is doing now. Even when M's own mom wanted him to kidnap M , he rejected. Such a man coming to this, using force to get to M and claiming that he is doing this all for M is BS. He is not doing it for her. If he is really doing it for her, he couldve easily taken her away anytime even now but he isnt doing it. He wants something else. M is just a tool he is using to get to his destination. I remember his talk with his mom, after the havan when he told her that none of them believe him and when his mom asked him to not stop fighting, he did vow that he will do anything and everything to get his goal. I think he is still doing that. Not sure about the reasons behind his so called weird behavior these days, but iam sure its not to get M. He is a kind of person who always respected M and let her use her own judgement in doing things. Such a man can never do what he is doing now for his own selfish reasons.

Yes many of us Sultanians are sticking around to see that reason and are by Sultan as we see there is a reason behind his behavior😊.

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trolldemortx

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Posted: 12 years ago

"Contrary to some satirical Sulbala praises regarding Sultan's 'junoon' and obsessiveness, let me state clearly that plenty of us Sultanians and Sulbalians are NOT in favor of such junoon. We were against RK's junoon, his obsessiveness, his sexual harassment, his emotional abuse, his stalking and the abusive relationship that is RK-Madhu, so WHY would many of us be enjoying and rooting for Sultan's 'junoon' for Madhu. No. Plenty of us are not in support of it nor are we over how much Sultan loves her and how he's showing the depth of his obsessive crazy love"

Sexual Harrasment??? WHEN?? WHERE??? LMAO! 🤣

Edited by -Stephanie- - 12 years ago

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sandiab

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Posted: 12 years ago

Excellent post and bang on. Will comment later more

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armummy

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Posted: 12 years ago

Good joke , you and your friends double faces and fake concern on waman abuse has been long revealed by plenty of support shown for the disgusting posts your camp makes

This post will not change that opinion about you guys

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -Stephanie-
"Contrary to some satirical Sulbala praises regarding Sultan's 'junoon' and obsessiveness, let me state clearly that plenty of us Sultanians and Sulbalians are NOT in favor of such junoon. We were against RK's junoon, his obsessiveness, his sexual harassment, his emotional abuse, his stalking and the abusive relationship that is RK-Madhu, so WHY would many of us be enjoying and rooting for Sultan's 'junoon' for Madhu. No. Plenty of us are not in support of it nor are we over how much Sultan loves her and how he's showing the depth of his obsessive crazy love"

Sexual Harrasment??? WHEN?? WHERE??? LMAO!

Just because he didn't sexually assault her, that doesn't mean his obsessive stalking and wanting her back is not sexual harassment. If someone keeps pestering you for a date repeatedly after you refuse, that is termed as sexual harassment in the workplace.

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trolldemortx

@trolldemortx

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: likarsh

Just because he didn't sexually assault her, that doesn't mean his obsessive stalking and wanting her back is not sexual harassment. If someone keeps pestering you for a date repeatedly after you refuse, that is termed as sexual harassment in the workplace.

I got my Answer! 🤣

Yeahh! and the last time I checked, when a guy who doesnt happen to be your husband slams you on a table and tries to get all touchy feely with you, without your consent.. Is NOT considered Sexual harrasment too!

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: armummy
Good joke , you and your friends double faces and fake concern on waman abuse has been long revealed by plenty of support shown for the disgusting posts your camp makes

This post will not change that opinion about you guys

We don't support emotional abuse or domestic abuse or unhealthy relationships. Next week will tell us whether or not we should continue on supporting Sultan or not.😉 And should it come that we can't, I will make a post stating it clearly.

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rajla

@rajla

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Posted: 12 years ago

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After watching the episodes since Sultan came back aka last Sat Highest TRP wala and bearing in mind the changes we saw in him from the day he expressed his love till date...I am forced to believe that the Guy is up to something and it's NOT MADHU... YES I REPEAT NOT MADHU...Maybe it's connected to her, but it's not her... Lets face it if he wanted to make Madhu his, he would have accomplished it by now and his Gangster Status makes it easier for him and to get away with it. But nope he is not aiming at that.

When ever I see Madhu-Sultan interaction...Apart from the fact that they set the screen ablaze (Avishti Rocks) what I see is a Step-By-Step Detoxification Process...In Psychiatry there is a similar Treatment used... Madhu has got this "Anokha Pyaar" blindfold over her eyes, it's clouded her judgement and actions and she stopped being Madhubala ... The only way to make her see the Truth is, if the Truth plays right in front of her... and when she won't allow him to play it the sane way, the best way a man like him could and would come up with is to talk her language, the language of Junoon...so that it falls on her Tympanic Membrane for sure this time and registers in her brain.

Everytime he associates Madhu with Tumhara RK, he makes sure the sentence ends with Meri Madhu, which makes her cringe but probes her to think...Like i said there is a similar treatment in Psych...It's like you push the person to such a extreme that he/she gives up on the Zidd they have held on to...Here Madhu adamant about their love and it's power, but the same can't be said for R...While Madhu keeps telling that their love will conquer all, R keeps taking steps to keep her away...Why can't he too come up with the faith that their Love can conquer all...simply because for the Crimanal Turned Chooperstar it's all about I, Me, Myself...

Sultan keeps challenging Madhu...He tells her to meet him in private but her desperate attempts to set the Monster aka R free leads to Sultan getting alert on seeing the Police and thus fleeing... He talks to her in the that deserted house but all she keeps chanting is the R-Mantra and their love this that etc...again Sultan challenges her... He keeps Pushing Madhu to the extent that she is forced to think otherwise, which in this case will be his break through...He is waiting for that... He asked Madhu he decision on the Divorce and she starts with the whole love, Bhagwaan is with them kinda crap...Result he gets R thrashed...he just proved to Madhu that the extent to which he can go is not limited but the extent to which she can go is indeed limited.

Sultan sure has an agenda, a motive... and It definitely has got to do with getting the Anokha Pyaar wala bhoot out of her system, before the actual agenda crops up...Woh kya hai I guess we'll have to wait, but the whole Madhu seeing the reality is just the surface...Bohat kuch hai jo iske peeche hai...

Either it's that or the CV's is busy GLORIFYING the Anokha Pyaar...

I agree the means which the CV's has incorporated that of Showing Sultan as Pro-R is not exactly what we want...but I somehow feel that there is a selfish sadism behind that move...but kuch jhol toh zaroor hai..

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Lets rewind shall we...While there is no reasoning as to why they changed Sultan overnight...Made his fight for his Mom, fight for Madhu...but still if we were to tread even the slightest possible way what would it be? There has to be a loop connecting all shouldn't there???

Madhu knew the truth? The truth about Meera and Sultan and bearing everything in mind, all that Sultan had to go through he would have expected his friend to stand up for the truth, if not for him per se...But instead she goes on a spree of safe guarding R's false beliefs and aura...

Remember his words to her? Those who step into the R-Mansion should leave their compassion and heart outside the very doors of the mansion and that she Madhu has changed... Wasn't it true...Wife of R or not, She did not show the basic courtesy of listening out to him...If you looks carefully she was kinda angry and blasted at him for putting her Hubby and her Family in such a spot...

Every time he expects Madhu to stand up for the truth which in this case coincides with Sultan being on that side...She turns her back...

1) He comes forward to talk to R on Madhu's request but R double crosses and when Sultan brings it out, she puts on a show at first but then does her dying spirit of fighting for truth, justice, staying by her principle gets tossed out of the Window...

2) At every path possible she tries to make Sultan feel that he is the wrong one...

3) Radha tells truth to Madhu, the two meet Sultan, Radha turns back on her words, Madhu is stunned but does she do something about it no...

This is the woman who stood up for truth and justice but failed miserably when it comes to R and his injustice be it to her, her family or Sultan in this case...

Madhu is the one actually feeding R's ego... The only way to break that is to break them apart and make her see the reality right?

I know it's a long shot par it's possible right?

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