'What If' - Page 6

Originally posted by: Charishma

Your past makes you who you are, it does not excuse your every decision. He has suffered great pain in childhood. But in adulthood it is up to him to rise above it, or let it bring him down. I understand RK, but I don't accept him.

I don't feel sympathetic for him because I don't feel he is capable of treating Madhu as an equal. He's fascinated, obsessed, and he feels a need to possess her. But I don't think RK is capable of true love, even if he tried. Which I believe he is trying to do now. Manipulation and other forms of emotional blackmail will always be present because RK's nature is too egocentric and selfish to be able to love selflessly.

The question is whether RK treats Madhu with respect and consideration. In a relationship that is what matters first and foremost. And I've yet to be convinced of that. They are literally in a honeymoon phase. So wait and watch I guess.

Sultan lost his parents during his childhood and he chose the path of crime, so he is GOOD👏 But mind you, he was never betrayed by anyone. His wife died because of his fault in an accident.

When did I say Sultan was good? I said he was better for Madhu because he respects her as she deserves to be. He listens to her and learns from her. He loves her as she deserves to be loved.

Sultan is a gangster who doesn't traffick drugs. He takes from the rich and gives to the poor. Sultan is Robin Hood. So yes, I do think his profession is acceptable. But you know what? if Madhu asked him to quit, he would in a heartbeat. So its a moot point.

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

ABUSER!!😳

Hell yeah, in Rishbala's relationship, RK has abused Madhu emotionally while she has been the PHYSICAL abuser. I don't know what makes you think that Madhu can't overcome the pain of RK's revenge? She is HAPPY with him and he is trying change himself. Isn't it a sign of redemption?

He went ahead for a public apology being that EGOISTIC and SELFISH superstar, isn't it a part of his redemption?

And lastly, aren't ABUSERS human beings? And before calling RK an abuser, atleast see what made him like that.

Sultan lost his parents during his childhood and he chose the path of crime, so he is GOOD👏 But mind you, he was never betrayed by anyone. His wife died because of his fault in an accident.

RK saw his father hanging himself, he saw his mother neglecting him and marrying another man just after his dad's death and his LOVER left him for green pasture. What makes you think that even after all this he would RESPECT women? Atleast NOW he is TRYING! So why can't we feel bad for him?

Mohan Kundra is the only untainted memory with him and he is dearly ATTACHED to his father. Now even that memory is gonna be TAINTED soon. What is RK's fault in all this?

If he is INSECURE, if he is an ABUSER, is he is disrespectful, then that is because the people in his life, have always BETRAYED him at every point. Even after so many heartbreaks if that man is standing today, then hats off to him. Atleast he didn't choose a shortcut like Sultan and become a criminal. Atleast he isn't sitting idle at home like Sikky!

RK is BAD, but the same RK is feeding so many people at his AASHRAM like MANSION. Isn't it a good trait in him?

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

ABUSER!!😳

Hell yeah, in Rishbala's relationship, RK has abused Madhu emotionally while she has been the PHYSICAL abuser. I don't know what makes you think that Madhu can't overcome the pain of RK's revenge? She is HAPPY with him and he is trying change himself. Isn't it a sign of redemption?

He went ahead for a public apology being that EGOISTIC and SELFISH superstar, isn't it a part of his redemption?

And lastly, aren't ABUSERS human beings? And before calling RK an abuser, atleast see what made him like that.

Sultan lost his parents during his childhood and he chose the path of crime, so he is GOOD👏 But mind you, he was never betrayed by anyone. His wife died because of his fault in an accident.

RK saw his father hanging himself, he saw his mother neglecting him and marrying another man just after his dad's death and his LOVER left him for green pasture. What makes you think that even after all this he would RESPECT women? Atleast NOW he is TRYING! So why can't we feel bad for him?

Mohan Kundra is the only untainted memory with him and he is dearly ATTACHED to his father. Now even that memory is gonna be TAINTED soon. What is RK's fault in all this?

If he is INSECURE, if he is an ABUSER, is he is disrespectful, then that is because the people in his life, have always BETRAYED him at every point. Even after so many heartbreaks if that man is standing today, then hats off to him. Atleast he didn't choose a shortcut like Sultan and become a criminal. Atleast he isn't sitting idle at home like Sikky!

RK is BAD, but the same RK is feeding so many people at his AASHRAM like MANSION. Isn't it a good trait in him?

Originally posted by: _charu_

i was tempted to reply to these...the portion in red, i completely agree..RK's past, his traumatic childhood is no excuse to his current behavior ...but as you must have observed, every person is different..some are egoistic & arrogant than others...a lot of factors are responsible for shaping up the personality of a person..some are genetic, some are gained through experiences of life...even i understand where RK is coming from but i don't approve of it..but then i also understand that no man is perfect..every person makes mistakes , what matters is that he can understand where he went wrong and make amendments..if you think he cannot do it, it's your perspective...i can hate him for his weaknesses but i like him for his qualities which are in abundance ...

everybody's parameters of love, respect and selfless love is different..nobody is capable of loving selflessly...can Madhu love RK selflessly? bec. then she will have to sacrifice her "self" and she will be called a doormat ! if RK can clearly see and define that his love is flawed, he could not love Madhu like Madhu loves him, that proves that he is AWARE of his shortcomings ...whatever is missing in their relationship can be worked out between the two of them..he may not be as compassionate as her , he may not trust people...how can the relationship b/w 2 people be perfect when the people involved are not perfect? there will be clashes, there will be differences, one wud try to dominate the other, at some point of time, they may decide to part ways..so what? the underlying truth is that they love each other and if their intentions are pure, this love will always maintain a good balance AND eventually bring them back to each other...

Did you say Sultan "deserves" Madhu more than RK? just bec. RK doesn't know how to "respect" Madhu and Sultan can? is this ALL that is required for a good life ? what about Madhu's wish? what about giving a woman a respectable safe secure future ?

RK is not a uni dimensional character, you don't like him, that's a matter of personal choice ...if I should ignore that Sultan is involved in criminal activities, i can safely ignore that RK emotionally abuses his people (which is not abuse IMO) and i'll pick RK anyday...a man who can mercilessly kill people without any guilt is far worse than a man who dominates ppl...Watch the old episodes again...Sultan is a "most wanted" criminal & of course all these charges against him were not slapped on him bec. of his samaj seva actitivies...he's no Robinhood..he might be a "principled" man..yes, he refused to smuggle drugs..but he himself admitted that all those who came in the way of his becoming a top notch criminal (Mumbai ka Sultan) were not left alive...just bec. there aren't any evidences against him, and he decided to "change" , doesn't mean he has a clean image...Madhu ne kaha and he changed, decides to drop his career for Madhu's sake, uske baad dono apni grihasti nahi bana sakte..

he's a principled and a morally right character, he can respect women, he's Robinhood? fine...leave all the criminal activities and surrender to the police , pay for all the sins, live a respectable life..better late than never ! sad but true, just bec. he respects women, the law will not spare him? ..

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

ABUSER!!😳

Hell yeah, in Rishbala's relationship, RK has abused Madhu emotionally while she has been the PHYSICAL abuser. I don't know what makes you think that Madhu can't overcome the pain of RK's revenge? She is HAPPY with him and he is trying change himself. Isn't it a sign of redemption?

He went ahead for a public apology being that EGOISTIC and SELFISH superstar, isn't it a part of his redemption?

And lastly, aren't ABUSERS human beings? And before calling RK an abuser, atleast see what made him like that.

Sultan lost his parents during his childhood and he chose the path of crime, so he is GOOD👏 But mind you, he was never betrayed by anyone. His wife died because of his fault in an accident.

RK saw his father hanging himself, he saw his mother neglecting him and marrying another man just after his dad's death and his LOVER left him for green pasture. What makes you think that even after all this he would RESPECT women? Atleast NOW he is TRYING! So why can't we feel bad for him?

Mohan Kundra is the only untainted memory with him and he is dearly ATTACHED to his father. Now even that memory is gonna be TAINTED soon. What is RK's fault in all this?

If he is INSECURE, if he is an ABUSER, is he is disrespectful, then that is because the people in his life, have always BETRAYED him at every point. Even after so many heartbreaks if that man is standing today, then hats off to him. Atleast he didn't choose a shortcut like Sultan and become a criminal. Atleast he isn't sitting idle at home like Sikky!

RK is BAD, but the same RK is feeding so many people at his AASHRAM like MANSION. Isn't it a good trait in him?

Originally posted by: Charishma

Are you accusing Madhu of being worse to RK than he has been to her? 😆 'Nuf said.
And its not about her overcoming the pain, and being able to be "happy". I can see her happiness well enough. Madhu's capabilities are not at issue here, she can bounce back well enough. *cough* stockholm *cough*. The question is should she have to. Can RK truly change for her? Deflecting attention from RK to Madhu is not going to work. Not for him and not for you.
Why does RK need to change for Madhu? Did Madhu change for RK? Did she change her compassionate nature? Did she stop helping people after meeting RK? Then why is always RK asked to change himself? Madhu's compassion towards people always lands her in trouble, still she doesn't change herself, so why should RK change himself? He is becoming a better person and that is enough.

As for redemption, then that I have yet to see. I have seen her forgive him. I have not seen RK redeem himself. Redemption is something that happens singularly. A person redeems himself for himself, not for anyone else. RK's redemption would include true repetenance. It involves action, not words. It involves finding the victims (or people you've wronged) and doing everything in your power to try and make up for it. Has RK ever actually looked back at the pain he caused (not just to Madhu) but to everyone? How are RK's other relationships? How about the people (we know there's been more than 1) he's run over with his car? Redemption isn't something that's done over the course of a few 20 minute episodes.

When he ran his car over Mukund, he got punished for it.

And regarding Madhu, he did not get away freely, did he? He was bloody cursed for LIFE from Paddo. RK will definitely redeem himself according to you, let CVs show Paddo taking her curses back which are gonna haunt RishBala forever.

All abusers are human beings, what has that do to with anything? What did you expect a tiger to jump out your laptop screen and attack when I used the word abuser?

Your past makes you who you are, it does not excuse your every decision. He has suffered great pain in childhood. But in adulthood it is up to him to rise above it, or let it bring him down. I understand RK, but I don't accept him.

Same goes for Sultan then. Why does he want revenge from RK and his mother when in the past Mohan Kundra ditched his mother? What is his childhood got to do with his adulthood? If you can accept Sultan, then there shouldn't be any problem with accepting RK either😃

When did I say Sultan was good? I said he was better for Madhu because he respects her as she deserves to be. He listens to her and learns from her. He loves her as she deserves to be loved.
So anyone according to you who endures Madhu's endless bhashans only deserves her?😕

@bold: Its funny that RKians constantly polarize the careers, not even realizing the irony in it.
Sultan: 'golden hearted' but strikes fear wherever he goes because of his gangster status and hard scowl. Secretly loving.
RK: 'cold-hearted' but sends millions of female hearts to racing because of his legendary RK brand of romance and sexy grin. Secretly hateful.

Yes, because RKians think logically. We don't find any future of Madhu with a GOLDEN HEARTED gangster who has to run for his life and whose family's life is on stake 24*7. But RK might be cold-hearted, yet he can give her a secure future and his cold heart can turn warm anytime, while Sultan's past enemies won't spare him even if he changes his occupation.

I don't feel sympathetic for him because I don't feel he is capable of treating Madhu as an equal. He's fascinated, obsessed, and he feels a need to possess her. But I don't think RK is capable of true love, even if he tried. Which I believe he is trying to do now. Manipulation and other forms of emotional blackmail will always be present because RK's nature is too egocentric and selfish to be able to love selflessly. Madhu is also unmatched to him. She is unable to win. And he will always win at what will always be a game to him.

He himself accepts that his love is SELFISH and DIFFERENT than Madhu. What's wrong in that? Does love always have to be SELFLESS? Can't it be selfish?😕

@Bold: Because he was raised by a woman. Because like you said, he is a human being. Being burned in the past is no excuse to treat Madhu as he has. I understand it to some extent, but I am not about to accept it. There's a difference. I've watched people who've been raped by the opposite gender go on to treat that gender with more respect. A broken relationship and a mother who dared remarry hardly qualifies.

He has trust issues and respect issues but isn't he trying to overcome them? Did he make a big issue and suspect Madhu of meeting Sultan? Rather he apologised for his behaviour. Doesn't he respect his mother fully now? People change and RK is changing.

And what respect are you talking about? Raising a gun at a female is giving respect to her?😕

He has no fault. My only problem with this is that Sultan's pain will be forgotten, Madhu's ongoing struggles will be forgotten. Everyone but RK will be forgotten. And the world will come to a standstill so that RK's pain can be given justice. So that an overgrown child can throw a tantrum and further abuse his wife and mother in what will be an expression of pain.

Post RK's revenge, wasn't it all about Madhu's pain, Madhu's dukhda, Sultan's sob story?😕 And what pain of Sultan are you talking about? The dude has finally GOTTEN his real mom back. He should be happy. RK will only be on the LOSING side because he will lose the respect he has for his father🤢 RK's pain SHOULD be glorified!

Sitting at home idle and loving and respecting your wife is worse than being what RK is? 😆

Once again I never said that Sultan's career choice is respectable. But what the hey, I will now.
Sultan is a gangster who doesn't traffick drugs. He takes from the rich and gives to the poor. Sultan is Robin Hood. So yes, I do think his profession is acceptable. But you know what? if Madhu asked him to quit, he would in a heartbeat. So its a moot point.

@Red - REALLY? How do you know that? Did he do that before going to confess his LOUUU to Madhu in the chawl? Had he really cared about her, he would have first left his business of GANGSTERGIRI and then went to confess🤢

Ofcourse it is. Good for him, even it it doesn't come from a genuine place. But that doesn't mean I want him anywhere near Madhu. All of RK's deeds external to Madhu are inconsequential. The question is whether RK treats Madhu with respect and consideration. In a relationship that is what matters first and foremost. And I've yet to be convinced of that. They are literally in a honeymoon phase. So wait and watch I guess.

According to me it is NOW in Madhu's hands to make or break their relationship once she gets to know about Sultan being his broken. If she sides with her LOVE, her husband, then ofcourse their relationship will blossom or else it will doom.


RK has always priortised Madhu over Dipali. Now it is Madhu's turn.

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

ABUSER!!😳

Hell yeah, in Rishbala's relationship, RK has abused Madhu emotionally while she has been the PHYSICAL abuser. I don't know what makes you think that Madhu can't overcome the pain of RK's revenge? She is HAPPY with him and he is trying change himself. Isn't it a sign of redemption?

He went ahead for a public apology being that EGOISTIC and SELFISH superstar, isn't it a part of his redemption?

And lastly, aren't ABUSERS human beings? And before calling RK an abuser, atleast see what made him like that.

Sultan lost his parents during his childhood and he chose the path of crime, so he is GOOD👏 But mind you, he was never betrayed by anyone. His wife died because of his fault in an accident.

RK saw his father hanging himself, he saw his mother neglecting him and marrying another man just after his dad's death and his LOVER left him for green pasture. What makes you think that even after all this he would RESPECT women? Atleast NOW he is TRYING! So why can't we feel bad for him?

Mohan Kundra is the only untainted memory with him and he is dearly ATTACHED to his father. Now even that memory is gonna be TAINTED soon. What is RK's fault in all this?

If he is INSECURE, if he is an ABUSER, is he is disrespectful, then that is because the people in his life, have always BETRAYED him at every point. Even after so many heartbreaks if that man is standing today, then hats off to him. Atleast he didn't choose a shortcut like Sultan and become a criminal. Atleast he isn't sitting idle at home like Sikky!

RK is BAD, but the same RK is feeding so many people at his AASHRAM like MANSION. Isn't it a good trait in him?

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

As for redemption, then that I have yet to see. I have seen her forgive him. I have not seen RK redeem himself. Redemption is something that happens singularly. A person redeems himself for himself, not for anyone else. RK's redemption would include true repetenance. It involves action, not words. It involves finding the victims (or people you've wronged) and doing everything in your power to try and make up for it. Has RK ever actually looked back at the pain he caused (not just to Madhu) but to everyone? How are RK's other relationships? How about the people (we know there's been more than 1) he's run over with his car? Redemption isn't something that's done over the course of a few 20 minute episodes.

When he ran his car over Mukund, he got punished for it.

And regarding Madhu, he did not get away freely, did he? He was bloody cursed for LIFE from Paddo. RK will definitely redeem himself according to you, let CVs show Paddo taking her curses back which are gonna haunt RishBala forever.

Originally posted by: _charu_

RK's redemption is that he changes his attitude, as and when it happens, it's their problem...what about Bhai's redemption? even that will take many years...in jail...def. not starting grihasti with Madhu...