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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Jaded

Hiya Daaku Penguin đŸ€—

Very Intriguing topic...I have recently discovered my fascination with this show...was very resistant to watch it for the longest time...I had always felt that Madhu cried too much...could never really connect with her character...so I never paid attention to the show...But my sister insisted that I watch and I did...and wow...I am finding a show extremely interesting after a long time...
Coming back to the topic...Finding RK's obsession is engrossing to watch.
For me Junoon has always had a negative connotation to it... Junoon is an excess of your passionate feelings...whether it be love, lust , anger, ambition etc...and an extreme of any emotion is not a good thing.
In my opinion, whatever they are showing for RK is junoon is pretty believable...his obsession is not only with Madhu, its a combination of his self-obsession, his meglomania and narcissism with his unresolved feelings for her.
To me it feels like, he cannot reconcile with the fact that he is deeply in love with her...from what I have seen of the show (mostly Madhu-RK wrestlemania and not the good romantic stuff) I feel that RK doesnt consider himself someone who is worthy of anyone's love...Admiration and adulation he has no problems with...but I feel there is a deep rooted fear or idea that he is an unlovale person/being (coz according to him he is not even human) So how can he trust or believ Madhu or even his mother, that they love him...He is constantly questioning Madhu that she loves him and only him...and it happened much after his whole attention/ obsession was passed from his mother to Madhu...After he reconciled with his mother...the deepest feelings he has ever experienced for anyone is Madhu...I feel he doesnt really know how to cherish this love...or even believe it for that matter. and Yet, despite himself he is in love with her.
To me its not the gentle, sweet, romantic true love...This is a destructive, fixated obsession wala love (or a twisted form of it) ...its creating Havoc within him...and everyday he is unable to reconcile with his own feelings his obsession with her is increasing...I completely agree he is a maniac...and emotionally abusive and manipulative...and I believe thats what happens in Junoon...There is no right or wrong...his junoon and obsession is about posessing her, completely.
It is exaggerated...but its not far off that someone who is obsessed with another person...who they have deep romantic feelings for, would manipulate, emotionally abuse or blackmail them to keep them around...For me I think he will do anything to keep her around...if he has to shed his own blood or her own it doesnt matter.
I see the hurt, guilt and realization of what he has done to her...But the meglomania, the narcissism and his continental sized ego would never let him admit it to her...in his mind RK is akin to God and God doesnt come to apologize for anything...not his many injustices or many wrong doings...God only gives you something else to distract you from your previous pain...thats what he is doing...Dragging her around...and playing god with her...keeping her till she gives in...
I hope this whole tirade made sense...but I have just discovered this show, so had a lot to say 😳



Fabulous analysis👏👏👏 I think you've described Junoon in context of RK perfectly...I especially agree with the point that he considers himself someone unworthy of love...and he's unable to fully reconcile with his love for her too...he doesn't know how to cherish it, he doesn't know how to DEAL with it...


I think there have been many interesting points made in this thread...I agree that RK is a manipulative and emotionally abusive character in some ways...and in real life, no one would have the patience to deal with such a twisted man...

But as a fictitious character, he is VERY compelling and interesting to watch in all his flaws and turmoil...

I personally feel the makers have walked quite a fine line without glorifying any sort of abuse while still keeping RK's essential characteristics intact which are needed since they form the basis of the show in many ways...

The reason I say this is cuz the scenes like him carrying her home forcefully or cutting his hand with the knife...this is shown through Madhu's eyes which rightly reflect outrage and disgust and not some kind of instant "romance"...it's good writing regarding two characters and the odds they are at but still drawn to each other.

I think people's opinions are colored by their own personal experiences...if someone has personally gone through domestic abuse or emotional abuse, they would have more emotionally charged reactions to some scenes and it would color their opinions.

If someone hasn't gone through the same or heard of something in a personal experience like that, they will be able to view it more objectively as a work of fiction/literature wherein abuse is NOT being glorified...the obsession is a part of RK's inherent characteristics and it manifesting itself in darker tones currently but not being glorified...Many famous literary works have also had flawed heroes but ppl don't take this on a personal note and start writing character certificates about who would make perfect husbands and who wouldn't.

The whole point of flawed characters is that they add layers to a story.
Edited by AreYaar - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
A very good question raised, An12345678..

I'm a 22 yr old girl, and watching last week episodes, I never felt like what was shown was Junoon - I felt is was sheer arrogance and madness..!!

If I were to be Madhu, suicide will be what I will be deciding! :'(
Edited by _Kalpana91_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: an12345678


It's strictly my opinion: Love cannot be defined objectively. Yes, in the dictionary, there is a meaning for it. Definition: Nada. It all depends upon each person's own perspective about love. So, Junoon can be very subjective. Till yesterday, I did not give it a second thought as I saw it as a positive word but reading the views here makes me now believe, it has both the negative and the positive and it can make as well as destroy.

My perception of emotional abuse is based on what my friend, a victim of emotional abuse, told me, and the scenes shown recently gave me the same impression. As I said we may have different opinion based on where we are coming from.

Just a note here: It's a fictional tale and I know that. I am not at all questioning the character here but trying to know "why" what they are showing comes under junoon. And since you brought Madhubala here: A strong character does not mean it gives the other person the license to act like a hunter and make it a game. The strength of one person should not be an excuse for the other person to behave inappropriately.

Bold: Can you elaborate, please.


it's strictly my opinion too..😆 i never said ur wrong..

@bold1, how is it possible to judge the heart and mind of a person subjectively ? 😕 They are two different people , their have their own mindset, their own thinking which is conditioned by their circumstances, their own decisions, their mistakes, their amendments..how can we even "judge" them even if they are fictional? we can only do it acc. to our own mindset.. what seems right to them may seem wrong to us..big deal ! we can only speculate what they might be going through, through their reactions !

@bold2, my dear, it's your perception and your friend's perception...with due respect to your friend, she's nowhere wrong...but why are you people insisting on emotional abuse being "glorified"? isn't Madhu setting a gr8 example for all the women out there? isn't she setting a good example by not acting like a victim but a fighter ?

@bold3, you want to know why this comes under junoon? when you refuse to accept that they love each other then how is it possible to understand junoon?😕 what i said in the last sentence is no rocket science...there is ishq that's why there is junoon...what else are they singing everyday? "tera ishq hi mera junoon hai mahi"? and I have to bring Madhu here bec. it's about the two of them..not RK alone..they are fueling each others ishq and junoon...they LOVE each other.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Dont know m a dumb like Madhu..may be some gyani will give you answer of this questionđŸ˜‰đŸ€ŁFor Junoon wordđŸ„±đŸ„±đŸ„±đŸ„±đŸ„±đŸ„±
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Jaded

Hiya Daaku Penguin đŸ€—

Very Intriguing topic...I have recently discovered my fascination with this show...was very resistant to watch it for the longest time...I had always felt that Madhu cried too much...could never really connect with her character...so I never paid attention to the show...But my sister insisted that I watch and I did...and wow...I am finding a show extremely interesting after a long time...
Coming back to the topic...Finding RK's obsession is engrossing to watch.
For me Junoon has always had a negative connotation to it... Junoon is an excess of your passionate feelings...whether it be love, lust , anger, ambition etc...and an extreme of any emotion is not a good thing.
In my opinion, whatever they are showing for RK is junoon is pretty believable...his obsession is not only with Madhu, its a combination of his self-obsession, his meglomania and narcissism with his unresolved feelings for her.
To me it feels like, he cannot reconcile with the fact that he is deeply in love with her...from what I have seen of the show (mostly Madhu-RK wrestlemania and not the good romantic stuff) I feel that RK doesnt consider himself someone who is worthy of anyone's love...Admiration and adulation he has no problems with...but I feel there is a deep rooted fear or idea that he is an unlovale person/being (coz according to him he is not even human) So how can he trust or believ Madhu or even his mother, that they love him...He is constantly questioning Madhu that she loves him and only him...and it happened much after his whole attention/ obsession was passed from his mother to Madhu...After he reconciled with his mother...the deepest feelings he has ever experienced for anyone is Madhu...I feel he doesnt really know how to cherish this love...or even believe it for that matter. and Yet, despite himself he is in love with her.
To me its not the gentle, sweet, romantic true love...This is a destructive, fixated obsession wala love (or a twisted form of it) ...its creating Havoc within him...and everyday he is unable to reconcile with his own feelings his obsession with her is increasing...I completely agree he is a maniac...and emotionally abusive and manipulative...and I believe thats what happens in Junoon...There is no right or wrong...his junoon and obsession is about posessing her, completely.
It is exaggerated...but its not far off that someone who is obsessed with another person...who they have deep romantic feelings for, would manipulate, emotionally abuse or blackmail them to keep them around...For me I think he will do anything to keep her around...if he has to shed his own blood or her own it doesnt matter.
I see the hurt, guilt and realization of what he has done to her...But the meglomania, the narcissism and his continental sized ego would never let him admit it to her...in his mind RK is akin to God and God doesnt come to apologize for anything...not his many injustices or many wrong doings...God only gives you something else to distract you from your previous pain...thats what he is doing...Dragging her around...and playing god with her...keeping her till she gives in...
I hope this whole tirade made sense...but I have just discovered this show, so had a lot to say 😳


What were you in your former life? Will reply later but got curious to know Who is this that know me as Dakku Penguin đŸ€—
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _charu_

it's strictly my opinion too..😆 i never said ur wrong..

@bold1, how is it possible to judge the heart and mind of a person subjectively ? 😕 They are two different people , their have their own mindset, their own thinking which is conditioned by their circumstances, their own decisions, their mistakes, their amendments..how can we even "judge" them even if they are fictional? we can only do it acc. to our own mindset.. what seems right to them may seem wrong to us..big deal ! we can only speculate what they might be going through, through their reactions !

@bold2, my dear, it's your perception and your friend's perception...with due respect to your friend, she's nowhere wrong...but why are you people insisting on emotional abuse being "glorified"? isn't Madhu setting a gr8 example for all the women out there? isn't she setting a good example by not acting like a victim but a fighter ?

@bold3, you want to know why this comes under junoon? when you refuse to accept that they love each other then how is it possible to understand junoon?😕 what i said in the last sentence is no rocket science...there is ishq that's why there is junoon...what else are they singing everyday? "tera ishq hi mera junoon hai mahi"? and I have to bring Madhu here bec. it's about the two of them..not RK alone..they are fueling each others ishq and junoon...they LOVE each other.


I have nowhere questioned his love and I am not touching that point, intentionally. Plus, let's not trivialize my friend's suffering by calling it her perception because that is her experience and an ugly one. You can very well call my opinion my perception and I am not selling it here. (But, it's my fault by bringing in a personal story here which I usually avoid and I am extremely sorry about that.)

Plus, let's not get into you people and we people here. Well, I am glad to know that it's not rocket science because I am not a rocket scientist so would not have seen that being something else.

They are two different people and that is why it's subjective. Objective often is based on hard truths and facts, while subjective is more your personal opinion and stance. So, how can emotions and reactions to that come under the umbrella of objectivity.

My original post is neither objective and neither your response to it. Thank you for your reply.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: HarikaDDian

Dont know m a dumb like Madhu..may be some gyani will give you answer of this questionđŸ˜‰đŸ€ŁFor Junoon wordđŸ„±


You mean to say S3RG? 😆😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _Kalpana91_

A veeru good question raised, An12345678..

I'm a 22 yr old girl, and watching last week episodes, I never felt like what was shown was Junoon - I felt is was sheer arrogance and madness..!!

If I were to be Madhu, suicide will be what I will be deciding! :'(


Thank You for your reply. And please never ever decide about committing suicide because life is worth fighting for. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: devikamd


As far as i understand...yes..it is..!!He does love her..no doubts about that...but his ego clouded his love with all the revenge drama...He was satisfied as long as her life revolved around him...but as soon as he realized..it doesn't revolve around him anymore...that's when his junoon..kinda heightened..!He loves her...but his ego doesn't let him admit that..He is self centered/selfish...so Madhu having someone else in her life doesn't sit well him..All in all he is confused...and so acting it out on the only person that make sense to him..!!



Thank you for your reply, Devu. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: shonuu

Well said An, 👏 and the question, What junoon is? err its what RK has done so far,,,,,, is Doing at the moment and intend to do in future... sab Junoon ha đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł And this is how i am going to edit Wikipedia for the definition of obsession if it doesnt states the same đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

On a serious note.. i dont mind such things in fictional shows but in real life, a man, this much obsessed can hurt other too the way he can hurt himself. And the answer is yes... its obsession only.. they are not exaggerating itđŸ€”.. havent u read about people killing or dying for love? đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł or obsessive lover killed his GF for she had dumped him? With RK its not the plain case of obsession .. its obsession + God complex đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł


Sizzling Midnight Blue: If you say, he will kill and then phoot-phoot ke cry, I am all eager to watch this show 😆

Thank you for your reply. I guess I have had enough of understanding of junoon now to last a life time. 😊 I can read all kinds of content but I watch only bright content 😆😆😆 I think, I should take Dewy's suggestion seriously, and start watching Pogo Channel 😆😆😆


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