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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: nlm4

An,

Junoon for me is going after something with everything u have,forgetting all else in the world but within the set boundaries of humanity.Its a good thing,but once it crosses the boundaries of rightness/rationality,it leads to death.
The title song of MBEIEJ proclaims that for RK being madhu's ishq is his junoon.So to be her one and only ishq,he is crossing sane boundaries which can have dire consequences.


Red: It look like junoon of that kind happens only in the real world. Is he trying to be her only priority and he the only focus of her attention by hook or cook?
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Posted: 12 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: Aahaana

Its very hard like others said here to find the exact meaning of junnon but i do believe its a combination of obsession and passion. Passion is something positive ,gives inspiration/motivation and brings out good emotions which is in control. But obsession brings out the negativity because we loose our emotional control which again leads to loss of self control and turns into a destructive force.

RK will fall under the category obsessive passion. Usually passions turns into obsession but here, i think CVs took the other route - first obsession and then passion :)

I think CVs want it to look like a dark passionate loves story but the last few episodes gave mixed signals to the audiencešŸ˜•. For some it was junnon and for some emotional abuse. Will not blame any of the side:)


Red: WOW: Loved that explanation.

Thank you for your interesting take on junoon and what is driving R.K.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: _Simmy_

A very good post indeed. I am myself not very sure about what I would class a Junoon as but it does come to the same line of extreme actions which has no boundaries be it of Love/Hate relationship. For me Junoon would be Mark Wahlberg character in the movie Fear (1996) where both characters loved each other at some point but in this show the love so far is claimed by Madhu' side only. As for RK's action currently, I m sorry but I would not class it entirely as junoon and would share the exact sentiments of it being more or less an emotional abuse. I did myself raise a topic on abuse but was shocked to see some responses. I bet RKs character is not himself sure if he either loves or hate Madhu as for now he only wants her beside him at any cost because of his EGO and I can't believe his whole world revolves around him and him only. His character has lost conscience and is way too unstable at this point. Though I can't deny his occasional act of heroism of saving Madhu from her own father but that doesn't make his character any less unstable at this point. So the way CVs selling it as entirely Junnon might be okay with majority but I beg to take it and would prefer not watching it too before someone gives it to me as an option.


Thank you for your reply, Simmy.

I think writers via Radha jee (S3RG) have tried to tell us that what he feels for her is junoon wala love. I have not seen the movie Fear and if it's dark, may never also. To me, it was looking like a scene of emotional abuse and thus the post.

I hope, the coming episodes are less negative and a little bright.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: nlm4

An,since u brought up junoon,This is from an aonymous poster.

From Kaal chiron blogspot.
7 stages of love in Arabic literature:
1)HUB-Attraction
2)Uns-Infatuation
3)Ishq-Love
4)Aqeedat-Reverence
5)Ibaadat-Worship
6)Junoon-Obsession
7)Maut-Death.
Last two stages are so insanely dangerous that very few take that path,
Definition of junoon:The person slowly starts identifying whole-heartedly with the object of his obsession,starts losing his own identity and becomes one with him/her.
He entangles hopelessly with that identity to such an extent that existence-non existence of object becomes his own existence or non existence.
Death could be defined as Fanaa-Destruction of ego.or Kaivalya-Singularity or Advaita-Non dualism,all leading to the same climax
which means lover destroys his self identity,his aatman(Sense of I)
If someone contemplates on a woman and travels these stages,he will end up destroying himself,But he will not become one with the woman or her identity.
RK is on apath of self destruction.He will never connect with Madhu neither will she whole heartedly reciprocate his love and instead will end up destroying her.
This is the bestset explanation I have read till date.


Thank you for sharing that Nimmi. It's an interesting read. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: swan20

Hmm difficult to define it An. From what I understand Junoon means an all consuming state of obsession for a particular thing or to achieve a particular goal. It can be positive if you are obsessed with achieving something for the greater good but IMO in RKs case his junoon is destructive not only for the object of his desire (Madhu) but also for him. In his junoon he is hurting the very person he is supposed to love. Plus add his super sized ego to the equation...only makes things worse!! Along with junoon IMO there is an element of emotional abuse too. I don't think it is intentional. He is really blinded by his obsession and has lost any sense of right or wrong. I feel the makers are taking a huge risk by showing the lead hero behave so extreme. I just hope they have the sense to not take it too far where the character becomes completely dark.


Thank you Swan for posting your reply here. 😊

It's not intentional because that is how the character acts and reacts because it's a normal thing for him to do? I also hope they don't take it too far with the manhandling and abuses as then , I'll have to quit watching despite my Pogo jodi 😊

Red: Loved that part and I agree with that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: alovi_21

good question so much confusion , I don't know till now I thought junoon mean to get something what you desire for that you forget everything else even yourself too, but in case of love I thought junoon mean try to get your love every possible way n thought love junoon comes with love, but here its looks like only junoon no love, as if you are hurting n ignoring the pain of love once then where is love here just you want that thing even without love, here its looking plain ego n keep her near him at any cost, situation is little diff.

in Darr, its looks near to junoon for me, he never try to harm Kiran n abuse her the way RK is doing mentally, but who ever are cmg in between them he tried to hurt them. she got scared with it but he never try to make her scare if I am not wrong as seen movie long back n unable to watch that too, same with Anjaam srk movie. there also jonoor was more scary it was junoon or what I didn't know.
I never though negative side of junoon, it looking obsession not just junoon, junoon for or with pure love is always positive what I feel ,its purely my POV, but junoon with obsession may be always negative where you are unable to see pain of the person whom you clams you love, but in RK case its not only junoon negative or positive but it looking more ego n taking advantage of her weakness that she love her n winning feeling that you still love me so I am really confuse its junoon in love or just satisfy ego n unable to take defeat
full confusion about junoon now but whatever it is it is already gone too far from where Cv can't get back by showing MAdhu still love RK n want to be with him, whether it was darr or Agni shakshi heroine didn't go to that person as this kind of love n junoon is abusing her n giving more pain , girls scare with this kind of love n never feel free around this kind of person so if cvs are showing all this that means for MAdhu it will be more difficult or can say impossible to go back to RK n love him same way without getting scare n feel free the way she did before, its is difficult to accept for genuine viewer too.
may be Cvs will try to show that in his junoon he killed himself to proof his love or apne apko barbaad ker lega or something n that way it will be dark love story, don't know what is their plan ,what I felt junoon apni limit per pahuch jata hai to person khud ko harm pahuchata hai but here he is scaring madhu n blackmailing her n actually giving her more pain can say abusing than himself so how can I say it only junoon for his love not something else


Yep, too much of confusion. It looks like love and junoon are two different emotions. True love means letting the person go to see that person happy while if it's junoon, it can mean chaining the person to yourself.

It's a daily show so the concept keeps changing. They painted a beautiful picture and then splashed the colour black on it via revenge drama. So, tomorrow they may again show something extra extreme. I just hope they clarify via the upcoming episodes what they are intending to establish via this current track and based on that I can make my decision of watching or not watching further. I personally don't like to watch dark, depressing movies/shows.

Thank you so much for your reply. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: an12345678


Fiction is exaggerated but rooted too and there is always a motive that drives a character.

Blue: So his junoon is self-serving?



As far as i understand...yes..it is..!!He does love her..no doubts about that...but his ego clouded his love with all the revenge drama...He was satisfied as long as her life revolved around him...but as soon as he realized..it doesn't revolve around him anymore...that's when his junoon..kinda heightened..!He loves her...but his ego doesn't let him admit that..He is self centered/selfish...so Madhu having someone else in her life doesn't sit well him..All in all he is confused...and so acting it out on the only person that make sense to him..!!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said An, šŸ‘ and the question, What junoon is? err its what RK has done so far,,,,,, is Doing at the moment and intend to do in future... sab Junoon ha 🤣🤣 And this is how i am going to edit Wikipedia for the definition of obsession if it doesnt states the same 🤣🤣

On a serious note.. i dont mind such things in fictional shows but in real life, a man, this much obsessed can hurt other too the way he can hurt himself. And the answer is yes... its obsession only.. they are not exaggerating itšŸ¤”.. havent u read about people killing or dying for love? 🤣🤣 or obsessive lover killed his GF for she had dumped him? With RK its not the plain case of obsession .. its obsession + God complex 🤣🤣🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
#99

Originally posted by: an12345678


Thank you Swan for posting your reply here. 😊

It's not intentional because that is how the character acts and reacts because it's a normal thing for him to do? I also hope they don't take it too far with the manhandling and abuses as then , I'll have to quit watching despite my Pogo jodi 😊

Red: Loved that part and I agree with that.


An...I should thank you for making me get out of my lethargy and thinking about your question šŸ˜†

I think it's not intentional because its not premeditated ( apart from the hand cutting part). As i said, in his so called junoon he has lost all sense of right and wrong. I guess or I hope if he really sits down and reflects on his actions he will see just how extreme his behavior is. The day he does that there'll be some hope for the character.

Even I can't take much of this. The only reason I am persisting is because of the mandali. If it gets too much I'll quit too
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Posted: 12 years ago
Hiya Daaku Penguin šŸ¤—
Very Intriguing topic...I have recently discovered my fascination with this show...was very resistant to watch it for the longest time...I had always felt that Madhu cried too much...could never really connect with her character...so I never paid attention to the show...But my sister insisted that I watch and I did...and wow...I am finding a show extremely interesting after a long time...
Coming back to the topic...Finding RK's obsession is engrossing to watch.
For me Junoon has always had a negative connotation to it... Junoon is an excess of your passionate feelings...whether it be love, lust , anger, ambition etc...and an extreme of any emotion is not a good thing.
In my opinion, whatever they are showing for RK is junoon is pretty believable...his obsession is not only with Madhu, its a combination of his self-obsession, his meglomania and narcissism with his unresolved feelings for her.
To me it feels like, he cannot reconcile with the fact that he is deeply in love with her...from what I have seen of the show (mostly Madhu-RK wrestlemania and not the good romantic stuff) I feel that RK doesnt consider himself someone who is worthy of anyone's love...Admiration and adulation he has no problems with...but I feel there is a deep rooted fear or idea that he is an unlovale person/being (coz according to him he is not even human) So how can he trust or believ Madhu or even his mother, that they love him...He is constantly questioning Madhu that she loves him and only him...and it happened much after his whole attention/ obsession was passed from his mother to Madhu...After he reconciled with his mother...the deepest feelings he has ever experienced for anyone is Madhu...I feel he doesnt really know how to cherish this love...or even believe it for that matter. and Yet, despite himself he is in love with her.
To me its not the gentle, sweet, romantic true love...This is a destructive, fixated obsession wala love (or a twisted form of it) ...its creating Havoc within him...and everyday he is unable to reconcile with his own feelings his obsession with her is increasing...I completely agree he is a maniac...and emotionally abusive and manipulative...and I believe thats what happens in Junoon...There is no right or wrong...his junoon and obsession is about posessing her, completely.
It is exaggerated...but its not far off that someone who is obsessed with another person...who they have deep romantic feelings for, would manipulate, emotionally abuse or blackmail them to keep them around...For me I think he will do anything to keep her around...if he has to shed his own blood or her own it doesnt matter.
I see the hurt, guilt and realization of what he has done to her...But the meglomania, the narcissism and his continental sized ego would never let him admit it to her...in his mind RK is akin to God and God doesnt come to apologize for anything...not his many injustices or many wrong doings...God only gives you something else to distract you from your previous pain...thats what he is doing...Dragging her around...and playing god with her...keeping her till she gives in...
I hope this whole tirade made sense...but I have just discovered this show, so had a lot to say 😳

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