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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: apolloartemis


Ah Shri, a visit to IF is not complete unless I read your posts.😊
Re you point about their different thinking- agree completely. They are two people who have the same core personas but have lived very different lives- so naturally their reactions, their thoughts, their very understanding of the ties that bind them are different. But, at the same time, what gives me hope that Madhu will eventually fully understand her husband is the fact that she is so similar to him- not by becoming Lady RK, but by understanding RK. Did that make sense? It did in my head, I don't know how well it translated into writing.😕
And didn't you just love how she answered Diputz. Classy yet cutting. Showing her growth, but retaning her inner Madhuness (a word I just made up right now😆 because nothing else fits).
And no more bhabhi! Yayy!


AA,

Yes. It made sense. 😊 And the same is explained through the song...Roothi hoon phir Bhi Main Raazi.

I was just sad today...thinking of this.

Even for fiction...most are upset that RK yelled at Madhu and threw her tray away. So they see yell and throw...assertion. In all the reviews I read...everyone agrees on reality check...but no one wrote on his pain at knowing that Madhu was poisoned. Why if our family member just escaped death or ill health, won't we panic and yell at the same person for being careless ? The guy showed poise and control and lost it when Madhu was in a saree cooking and all...for Gods sake the guy has been running around to safegaurd you and here you are ready to put yourself at peril. And mind you, Madhu does not even know that RK has hired man-power now to keep a watch. That enlightenment some other day for her

There should be sensitivity all round.


And since I always like to share incidents from my life...here's one more.
I once narrowly missed a cobra biting me...it was dusk time at our house construction site and things roamed around. Not my fault. But my mom who was managing there...she just snapped when she got to know how I escaped. There was not a word of sympathy, but all harshness at being being negligent etc...I mean I understood her...I was her sole right-hand there and she was already so burdened. How can I afford to be careless...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Shri beautiful post, and I agree with it completely. You have explained today's episode so beautifully.

My view:

I have been attracted to this love story mainly for one reason: its uniqueness. Today's episode was a reminder of why I adore Rishbala. For me today the theme of the episode was: how love can be expressed. The beauty of expressing love remains in each individual's unique action while expressing such feelings. Nonetheless, each individual's action is the product of his or her past experiences. RK and Madhu both expressed their love for each other; however, their approach was fairly different.

RK's reaction did not shock me as much. To be honest, I would have been stunned if he accepted the food and allowed Madhu to feed him; that is not RK at all. Today his anger towards her was actually his love and concern for her. I loved the last scene between them; it actually provided me with a better understanding of his character rather than dislike for him.

Madhu's reaction was expected to be as such. I have always labeled her as a "fixer" and her actions so far has proved me right in naming her. Today her restlessness to express her love for RK was just a pure joy to witness. She indeed has a heart filled with unlimited warmth and softness.

I'm really excited to watch their life journey together. Their love and passion discovery will be emotional as well blissful. I'm totally convinced that there won't be any dull moment in this love story.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: himbin


SD,
Agree with you word to word...Beautifully explained...Madhu is in Love and she wanted to live that feeling,express it if only for herself,feel it and do something for it...KC presented itself as an opportunity for her to do all that...RK sees it from Marriage POV where as Madhu does it all in her Love...I would repeat myself here and say RK is a guy who cares for the intent and not the outcome...so,when he understands what's driving Madhu into doing all this not caring for her health ,he would be deeply touched...her ishq is going to fuel his junoon even more...Though Madhu comes up as a conservative,naive girl she thinks in a very elevated,abstract and deeper level...She wanted the sargi not as a customary requirement but,as she considered it a blessing...I would say RK doesn't know his wife fully yet...she is not one who goes about asking..She only gives and there by earns her rights...the basic difference between Madhu and RK though both live for love and honesty is just this...Madhu can accept and understand tainted human emotions as in Radhaji's or RK's (with his obsessiveness) where as RK can only understand the most pure and honest feelings...Madhu is very patient and idealistic in her understanding of people where as RK is idealistic in his expectations and very unforgiving.. .Hence, I feel Madhu is like a bridge that connects RK with Rishab and Rishab with the outside world by bringing in that much needed stability to his emotions and broaden his understanding to human weaknesses ...

As you say both are true to themselves...both thinking from different planes and acting out (not for themselves but,for the other) hence,the conflict...I would say RK still has as much to learn about Madhu as Madhu had to about her hubby...😊


Hima,

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I just don't understand why you doubt your writing skills. 😆 Infact, I always like your articulation.

@bold2
While you spoke on RK that he needs to be forgiving and understanding, let us not forget that Madhu needs to set an example of honesty through her love and understanding as well. By repeatedly being closer to RK's mother, she is repeatedly hurting RK. RK has been overlooking that, but there are always moments for him where he cannot forgive that, because Madhu is that obtuse. Where Madhu fails is, she is all goody -goody with Radhaji, never ever we are shown her asking, Maa aapne ye kaisa socha, maa ye aapne kyon kiya. The writers are waiting for a proper time to open this track when Madhu starts dealing with RAdunce. Tomorrow is another such D Day where RK will be super upset and have another session at the two women's cuddling. But slowly this Rads needs to be redeemed in truer fashion...if they have to show that MAdhu is capable of beating sense into people through her love.

I know one thing...Shiva and Parvati ...Epitome of Love. And they see all and know all. They are able to explain, but when bardashth ke baahar ho jaata hai, they become Rudra...to destroy everything. Sometimes Shiva pacifies Parvati, and at times she is there to pacify him. Loving without knowing the meaning of it is going to be dangerous.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

I have no comments to make on the episode (havent watched it.)

But I am angry at RK for throwing away the food.. Granted he is concerned for her, but he should have atleast appreciated that she cooked for him even when she was weak and told her nicely that he doesnt like it. But I forget RK isnt 'nice'. 😡 But throwing it away was too much for me.. He gave no thought to her feelings, only to his.

PS. I personally would welcome a hubby who doesnt expect me to cook for him.. Infact I would love one like that except he should not have the baggage that RK always carries with him.. 😆


My post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3331139/wackinessunlimited-of-bags-and-baggage


Peach you will love Bittuji's comments 😆 especially the last one...Chief, I will go out to see what happened to the electric pole...like last time when RK asks him subtly to get out as he has to talk to Madhu in pvt. RK says the same thing and Bittuji remembered. 🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The true RK was BACK!!!

Madhu, I guess was carried away into her own delusional world by the sweet RK behavior in the morning which gave her so high hopes that she planned to confess her love for him and he burst the bubble and brought her back to reality...

That entire scene where she contemplates on how to confess was done very neatly, nicely and kinda cute too with she chatting with an imaginary RK who was being in his character... But I fail to understand and connect with Madhu at times like this when she goes off tangent... She herself voiced out about RK that "tedha hai par mera hai" and yet she follows the conventional route "insaan ke dil tak ka raasta uske pet se hota hai" and "a love letter"!!

RK was clearly frustrated that the Bhatias(Dipz) had poisoned her food, yet he didn't have the strong evidence to frame her and so he just leaves the place and actually appoints a Mushtanda in black for each of the scheming Bhatias...

He was already irritated with the events from yesterday's KC drama and then this food- poisoning drama... To top it all, Madhu commits a stupidity... And as usual, he takes out all his pent-up frustration on her... Uska dimaag jitna kharab hona bardasht kar sakta tha, woh kar chuka tha and madhu's act was the last straw and just like the party incident where again he took out his anger on her, he did today too... The only difference was, that day it was unacceptable and today he gave her a piece of his own mind, so that she understands him... Am sure, he would so sth to make her feel better as usual...

Thank God, Madhu standing upto Dipz was not a one-off thing and she is maintaining giving back to Dipz:):)

Radha finally earned some brownie point from me by saying whatever she said to Dipz...

And Zoe, our much-awaited, most exciting Rads-Madhu apology scenewas shown in the precap !!! Can't wait to watch it!!!😡
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

The true RK was BACK!!!


Madhu, I guess was carried away into her own delusional world by the sweet RK behavior in the morning which gave her so high hopes that she planned to confess her love for him and he burst the bubble and brought her back to reality...

That entire scene where she contemplates on how to confess was done very neatly, nicely and kinda cute too with she chatting with an imaginary RK who was being in his character... But I fail to understand and connect with Madhu at times like this when she goes off tangent... She herself voiced out about RK that "tedha hai par mera hai" and yet she follows the conventional route "insaan ke dil tak ka raasta uske pet se hota hai" and "a love letter"!!

RK was clearly frustrated that the Bhatias(Dipz) had poisoned her food, yet he didn't have the strong evidence to frame her and so he just leaves the place and actually appoints a Mushtanda in black for each of the scheming Bhatias...

He was already irritated with the events from yesterday's KC drama and then this food- poisoning drama... To top it all, Madhu commits a stupidity... And as usual, he takes out all his pent-up frustration on her... Uska dimaag jitna kharab hona bardasht kar sakta tha, woh kar chuka tha and madhu's act was the last straw and just like the party incident where again he took out his anger on her, he did today too... The only difference was, that day it was unacceptable and today he gave her a piece of his own mind, so that she understands him... Am sure, he would so sth to make her feel better as usual...

Thank God, Madhu standing upto Dipz was not a one-off thing and she is maintaining giving back to Dipz:):)

Radha finally earned some brownie point from me by saying whatever she said to Dipz...

And Zoe, our much-awaited, most exciting Rads-Madhu apology scenewas shown in the precap !!! Can't wait to watch it!!!😡

Guys - especially Shri and AA - superb views and analyses.⭐️👏
Zoya, especially loved that corrosive sarcasm in your last para.Angry👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


Peach you will love Bittuji's comments 😆 especially the last one...Chief, I will go out to see what happened to the electric pole...like last time when RK asks him subtly to get out as he has to talk to Madhu in pvt. RK says the same thing and Bittuji remembered. 🤣

I know.. I love love Bittuji.. I suspect I wouldnt like the character so much if some one else had played him.. Indresh is perfect for that- Golu Molu and his antics- hilarious.. Esp his dance.. 🤣

Please make sure to check out my post on the same tonight in my blog- might be late tonight..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


Hima,

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I just don't understand why you doubt your writing skills. 😆 Infact, I always like your articulation.

@bold2
While you spoke on RK that he needs to be forgiving and understanding, let us not forget that Madhu needs to set an example of honesty through her love and understanding as well. By repeatedly being closer to RK's mother, she is repeatedly hurting RK. RK has been overlooking that, but there are always moments for him where he cannot forgive that, because Madhu is that obtuse. Where Madhu fails is, she is all goody -goody with Radhaji, never ever we are shown her asking, Maa aapne ye kaisa socha, maa ye aapne kyon kiya. The writers are waiting for a proper time to open this track when Madhu starts dealing with RAdunce. Tomorrow is another such D Day where RK will be super upset and have another session at the two women's cuddling. But slowly this Rads needs to be redeemed in truer fashion...if they have to show that MAdhu is capable of beating sense into people through her love.

I know one thing...Shiva and Parvati ...Epitome of Love. And they see all and know all. They are able to explain, but when bardashth ke baahar ho jaata hai, they become Rudra...to destroy everything. Sometimes Shiva pacifies Parvati, and at times she is there to pacify him. Loving without knowing the meaning of it is going to be dangerous.

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding what you're trying to say here. You are saying that Madhu is inflicting hurt on RK by bonding with Radhaji. I am no fan of Radhaji, but she has her own share of troubles. Nobody knows what her circumstances were when she remarried. If she really thought she would be providing a fatherless kid with a father figure, then she truly is a dunce. Her son shared a deep bond with his father and she, more than anyone else, should know that he was irreplaceable for 'Rishu'. But I digress.

Madhu found her first and sole supporter in an alien household in her mother-in-law. When she was brought into the house, she was told that she was the ninth servant in the household. After RKs repeated insults, she finally managed to strike a bond with him, and now she loves him deeply. I am not sure that is enough cause for her to cut off every bond with the person who first cared for her in the house. Radhaji is truly only dumb. She is neither mean nor malicious. RKs grouse against her is that she remarried. God alone knows why she remarried...what her reasons (other than the ones she professes) were. By constantly inflicting hurt on Radhaji, RK is holding on to his demons. If he is so practical and sorted, then he should know that dead people do not return, there is no point alienating the people who love you for what you are, and that the past is gone and holding on to it means devaluing the present.

Madhu, who is very much present in the present, knows and acknowledges her love for her husband. She knows the man she married and man she loves are foils to each other. So, she is on treacherous ground...only to the extent that RKs reactions are unpredictable. She will deal with it, but I suppose, in the first flush of love, had forgotten that he has little use for show and tell. Tomorrow, as is famously said, is another day.

Sorry to intrude, but could not resist.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Zoya,

Beautiful. 🤗
The flow is smooth.
And haan haan haan to your read...


And you know what, the CVs are Mahaa Chaalu. 😎 To show's Madhu's silliness, they dressed RK in her imagination in that pink shirt (girly imagination). Wasn't it wonderful. MAdhu was looking so beautiful.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding what you're trying to say here. You are saying that Madhu is inflicting hurt on RK by bonding with Radhaji. I am no fan of Radhaji, but she has her own share of troubles. Nobody knows what her circumstances were when she remarried. If she really thought she would be providing a fatherless kid with a father figure, then she truly is a dunce. Her son shared a deep bond with his father and she, more than anyone else, should know that he was irreplaceable for 'Rishu'. But I digress.

Madhu found her first and sole supporter in an alien household in her mother-in-law. When she was brought into the house, she was told that she was the ninth servant in the household. After RKs repeated insults, she finally managed to strike a bond with him, and now she loves him deeply. I am not sure that is enough cause for her to cut off every bond with the person who first cared for her in the house. Radhaji is truly only dumb. She is neither mean nor malicious. RKs grouse against her is that she remarried. God alone knows why she remarried...what her reasons (other than the ones she professes) were. By constantly inflicting hurt on Radhaji, RK is holding on to his demons. If he is so practical and sorted, then he should know that dead people do not return, there is no point alienating the people who love you for what you are, and that the past is gone and holding on to it means devaluing the present.

Madhu, who is very much present in the present, knows and acknowledges her love for her husband. She knows the man she married and man she loves are foils to each other. So, she is on treacherous ground...only to the extent that RKs reactions are unpredictable. She will deal with it, but I suppose, in the first flush of love, had forgotten that he has little use for show and tell. Tomorrow, as is famously said, is another day.

Sorry to intrude, but could not resist.


ATN,

yes, you got it. So that both of us are on the same page...

Allies and Enemies Matter to us no matter how much we are capable or forging ahead in the world with our sheer resourcefulness.
Radhaji is a mother. Cannot be categorized under Enemy or Friend.
But She is a Bhatia.
And who knows what kind of things RK must have gone through at the hands of the Bhatias that Radha did not protect him from.

And if RK keeps saying to his Biwi that Radhaji is no one to me, how can Madhu disregard him, when because of him, she is in his household, even if it was a 9th naukrani and now a precious wife. Madhu disregards him always. And RK understands why. Because her manners won't allow to disrespect Radhaji.

But then, not once does Madhu come and say RK, I know you asked me not to treat her as anything, but I will not be able to do. And this is explicit...because...now the CVs are writing lines where Madhu is now telling us that she is no doormat, even if she does not speak. Question is why does she not speak ?? And RK is pushing her buttons these days to speak up. All that fire against Dips is provided by RK. Hadn't RK told her everything, she wouldn't have fallen in love and she wouldn't have this possessiveness.

That Madhu doesn't show her trust of RK to RK, already eats him up. He is a guy who needs reassurance...intentions need to be verbalized not just put into into action as then it becomes courage in conviction for him. How much can a guy just try to understand against his basic need. That's why the guy talks so much, so that he gets at least something back to hear. He thinks she does not have high opinion about himself, but does all things for him because SHE is a GOOD person.

In his dreams too, RK feared that Madhu cares for him because of his mother. That changed post Radhaji tried to get Madhu out of his life. However point remains, when did Madhu prove to RK that she just cares for him and not because someone asked her to take care of him? She kept a KC Vrat, but also wanted the UN-wanted mother's Sargi and picked it up from a trash bin. Don't you think this is not helping RK at all ?

He actually forgives people a lot, but when something doesn't strike right, he becomes unforgiving towards the action. Madhu has to show some day to RK that she loves his mother inspite of her foibles as apathy is not an answer to somene's foibles. Until they talk on RADS subject, RK will not be clear on Madhu's affection for him. And now CVs are going to deal with this issue as well...


because RK's father is dealt
Dipali is dealt
Now only Rads is left

for his heals to be completed before new characters make entry to todo Rishbala...
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