Non violence ka naya mantra

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Jee jee sahii pada
non violence ka nayaa kamtra--Maaro aur maaro!!!
Gandhiji ne kaha kii agar koi tumhe ek gaal pe maare toh use doosra gaal dikhaoo
lekin is naye mantr ke hisaab se toh koi tumhe maare ya naa maare tum unke dono gaalo par maroo


How can a person's ethics change in a day or two??
A person who feels sorry for the hurt soldiers didn't even think twice b4 hurting Raj and Pooja, especially Pooja!!
What sort of competitive spirit was it??
Is this the way to play a game??
"Its time for the loosers to get away" What sort of comment was that??
Just bcoz he won the match hes saying so, but does this victory has any value???
A teacher should never be a cheater!!!!
See one can't win all the time and one victory can't decide whos the best!!
If it was so then all cadets would have run to Abhi when he shot the ball!!
The cadets even clapped for Abhi and didn't Raj congratulate him with no jealousy or illfeelings??


I mean Abhi's character was utmost irritating yesterday !!!!
Now we had so many discussions as to why he is acting so, but a person who believes in nonviolence will quite naturally have a lot of patience and will think twice before taking any step, but in Abhi's case its just the opposite!!!!


He never wants to think back, nor he wants to listen to anyone, nor he repents for his mistake!!!! How can his present behaviour help him in gaining Cadets' confidence?? Alekh is tooo smart , so it will not take a minute for him to understand Abhi, Abhi hurt Pooja, so neither Pooja nor Ali would believe Abhi, Huda , right from beginning hates Abhi, Yudi is confused and Naina is unpredictable!!!!! So God knows what made Abhi act so hopelessly!!! The frustration, the restleassness was not depicting sportsmanship!!!!


Do U really really feel what Abhi did was right?? If someone would have hurt U in a similar way, would U forgive dem??


(Plzzzz I'm not blaming the actor , infact he is potraying the role very well, I'm just commenting on the character and plzzz don't take it personally)

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Posted: 18 years ago
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what abhi did was not right. especially for someone who believes in nonviolence. but sometimes people like raj consider abhi's philosophy of nonviolence meaningless because they r in the army and army men r supposed to fight the enemies.
blame the dj's for spoiling abhi's character. abhi is talented, passionate and clever and skilled. but the problem is he can never stand up for himself, how can he fight for others. he lost out to his father. if he had staunchly told his dad that he won't join the army he would have won. but i guess that obedient streak that usually exists in royal families won out and
despite his wishes he came to kma.
but i feel that it is quite a natural reaction. people consider abhi to be a looser as they feel he is not aggressive enough. he feels lonely in kma without any supporters and friends. he is sad. and such people can be influenced easily by wrong people. already he has considered himself a failure. now he is ready to do anything to be a winner even if it is wrong. but he is a good man and has a conscience. he will realise his mistake soon.

vaise dekha jaaye toh huda abhi se jyaada insecure hain. remember how much he has hurt people in first season. he always wants to be a winner to impress naina and will go to any extent even insult the faculties. yeh sab kuch natural hain and infact i hate huda more because though he is a good man he has done more damage than abhi. he practically demoralised naina and raj and i would have never forgiven him if i were in their place.

this is what is called inferiority complex which is found in most people. huda, abhi r fictional character. but what abhi did in the football match has been done in real matches too.

though i feel that dj's pojection of abhi turning villain was not right. he is a faculty and should play fair. they could have used much better ideas to turn him negative. somehow i cannot connect to the fact that a person like abhi can get easily influenced by the comments of silly cadets.
the cadets running to raj like small kids every time they see him - giving him credit for abhi's victory. i would definitely feel bad if i were in abhi's place. all those scenes were rubbish. not mature enough.
somehow i thought naina will remain with abhi but her character has now become totally clueless. kabhi abhi, kabhi raj, kabhi huda. though she is a nice girl the way they portray her makes her look selfish.

and yes i would forgive abhi. so will raj and everyone else. cmon see how huda behaved in the first season. he was forgiven by everyone. so why not abhi. it is just an emotional mistake as abhi says.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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good description anuj..
i agree that what abhi did was not right...but still he could be forgiven . not only because huda did the same or worse than it ...but it 's also cuz of the fact that what abhi did was not not intended. i mean to say that he was being competitive but he was not intended to hurt pooja or raj . the only bad thing was that his competitiveness was not healthy but an outcome of his frustrations.
i again agree that dj's sh'd be blame for ruining his character. the way they are projecting him in a different set of mind & behaviour ever week..is the thing which is making all of us perplexed to figure out actually
what is "ABHI".?
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Abhi is very fickle minded....not stable at all.....

If what a cadet said has made him so upset that he can go to that extent like yesterday.....

He should not be in the army.....

I understand that these things are human like Anu is saying...but in the army unfortunately you dont get too many chances in the warfield......

If personal differences are so imp to him then he should just leave the academy...once and for all......

Why did he push Raj....Raj in fact supported him in front of the cadets na.....which kind of ridiculous friendship is this....i dont know...friendship has certainly been redefined by Mr. Abhimanyu......i understand you can be insecure ...all of us are .....but this is not expected from an experienced and ranked army officer like Abhi....

And scorpiongal....i dont think you'll watched season 1...i dont know why all of a sudden everyone is behind poor huda...yes the guy is not perfect and has made mistakes and will probably make more in the future also.....but thats why he is a cdet...and not a captain......

thats why the story is abt transforming him and his friends......they are young and immature....Abhi cannot be compared to them.....

If i expect an officer in the indian army not to be an attention seeker and not behave like a first std kid...who is insecure becoz the others like Raj....i dont think i am asking for much......

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Posted: 18 years ago
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And i disagree with all those ppl who say that he dint intentionally hurt Raj and Pooja...so check the video again......certain mistakes cannot be defended no matter what.......

In Raj's case...he saw Raj shooting towards the goal post and wanted to stop him thats why he ran in the opp direction and bumped into Raj.....and Raj understood that whta Abhi did was intentional that why he reminded Abhi that it was just a game...nothing else.....

In the case of Pooja...i am sorry but Abhi behaved like an idiot....which player will ask his cover to move so that he can score...ridiculous.....Pooja was covering Abhi...so she would obviously not move and listen to her opponent na.....Its a football match for God's sake...she will obviously tryn to stop him...but a player is expected to tackle the ball and trick his cover.( which can be done without pushing ..in fact is supposed to be done without pushing)...and not ASK HER OT MOVE OUT OF THE WAY..

Abhi hurt Raj on purpose and there is no defening that...he did give his hand later but his purpose was served na...to stop Raj.....

And in Pooja's case...he knew Pooja had fallen....when you hit someone that badly...you obviouly have realised it....( unless Shalini gave Abhimanyu some anaesthesia before the game)...but he dint stop and was least bothered......

Watch what the cadets do to him on Monday.....and he really deserves it.....

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Souma.N

And i disagree with all those ppl who say that he dint intentionally hurt Raj and Pooja...so check the video again......certain mistakes cannot be defended no matter what.......

In Raj's case...he saw Raj shooting towards the goal post and wanted to stop him thats why he ran in the opp direction and bumped into Raj.....and Raj understood that whta Abhi did was intentional that why he reminded Abhi that it was just a game...nothing else.....

In the case of Pooja...i am sorry but Abhi behaved like an idiot....which player will ask his cover to move so that he can score...ridiculous.....Pooja was covering Abhi...so she would obviously not move and listen to her opponent na.....Its a football match for God's sake...she will obviously tryn to stop him...but a player is expected to tackle the ball and trick his cover.( which can be done without pushing ..in fact is supposed to be done without pushing)...and not ASK HER OT MOVE OUT OF THE WAY..

Abhi hurt Raj on purpose and there is no defening that...he did give his hand later but his purpose was served na...to stop Raj.....

And in Pooja's case...he knew Pooja had fallen....when you hit someone that badly...you obviouly have realised it....( unless Shalini gave Abhimanyu some anaesthesia before the game)...but he dint stop and was least bothered......

Watch what the cadets do to him on Monday.....and he really deserves it.....



Absolutely yaar I understand that he was hurt but there is a limit to it!!!
"I'm hurt so now let others be hurt"-- What sort of philosophy is dat??
And pushing Raj and Pooja were completely intensional!!!!
And seriously why the hell was he asking Pooja to move?? is he playing a chor-police game here??
And if anyone is so damn emotional then he is unfit to be in Army!!
No one will join army to give peace keeping lessons to UR enemies!!
Its a war and U'll have to fight!!
If its so easy to instigate him, then how can someone believe that he canot be instigated by our enemies, and if hes soo weak minded then He is surely unreliable!!!
Why blame Huda all the time?? He is immatured, confused and he can be corrected , but Abhi is experienced and he has spent so many yrs in this profession, does he still need a mentor??? Oh God if teachers are in need of mentors then why blame students for their immaturedness???

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Posted: 18 years ago
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yeah exactly,in this way i think abhi is acting even more immaturely tahn huda

but somehow i feel tht he is suffering from inferiority complex n this maybe has a connection with nandini
cuz we know abhi liked nandini who inturn preferred raj

So i think he has held this grudge against his so-called best friend 😊

and if abhi doesnt like voilence n this is wht he potrays on-field then i am a saint 😆 😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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well firstly..emotional maturity has nothing to do with age , post , rank & experience. so there is no point defending huda & accusing abhi.
in fact souma..i had watched season 1..& as far as i remember ..whatever disasters huda did to naina & raj in the beginning were all not only intended but well planned also. huda wasn't passing through any kind of insecurities ..still if he is getting the advantage of being immature ..is not justified. anyway..the matter here is abt abhi not huda..

if u say that raj supported him in front of cadets ...then u r slightly wrong. he was raj who just completely ignored his friend who was standing in the game room. he was raj who didn't even thanked a single time to abhi for changing naina's mind towards him. and if u r talking abt the scene when raj came & complimented him on his shooting skill...then i want to remind u that raj spent a good deal of time listening to cadets...while abhi was standing isolated irrespective of the fact that he saved them from whole day starvation. he did come to abhi but even abhi holded his hands friendly..so..why only abhi's friendship to be questioned.?

tell me..this ungreatfull attitude of cadets would make u feel bad or delighted.??? rejoiced or rude.?


i would again say that he was not intended to hurt raj or pooja. he was playing aggressive & whatever he did was to win... he did hurt them but not with an intention to hurt..but with the intention to win. If pooja was suppossed to stop him..then obviously he was suppossed to fail her attempt. i had watched this scene very clearly..so i m sure stating that he was trying to drag the ball out of her possession & he did but meanwhile he hurt her with his legs....but he didn't hv a realisation of hurting her. he realised that she is hurt only when he turned back after making a goal...& he was equally shocked to see her hurt. that means ..he hadn't hurt pooja intentionaly.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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if u say that raj supported him in front of cadets ...then u r slightly wrong. he was raj who just completely ignored his friend who was standing in the game room.
I'm sorry but Raj didn't notice Abhi there and I'm sure if he would have seen him then he would have surely talked to him
he was raj who didn't even thanked a single time to abhi for changing naina's mind towards him.
Will Raj get a dream that Abhi changed Naina's mind?? Did Abhi or Naina come and tell him what exactly happened?? And when dis happened Raj was not in the academy at all, so how will he know about this??
and if u r talking abt the scene when raj came & complimented him on his shooting skill...then i want to remind u that raj spent a good deal of time listening to cadets..
When cadets come running to Raj and if Raj just goes to Abhi willn't it be like ignoring them?? And when he saw Abhi standing alone he immediately went there and his appreciation for his friend was not forced
.while abhi was standing isolated irrespective of the fact that he saved them from whole day starvation. he did come to abhi but even abhi holded his hands friendly..so..why only abhi's friendship to be questioned.?

tell me..this ungreatfull attitude of cadets would make u feel bad or delighted.??? rejoiced or rude.?
It would make U feel bad but I said naa "I'm hurt so now others should be hurt"--This is a wrong principle isn't it?



i would again say that he was not intended to hurt raj or pooja. he was playing aggressive & whatever he did was to win... he did hurt them but not with an intention to hurt..but with the intention to win. If pooja was suppossed to stop him..then obviously he was suppossed to fail her attempt. i had watched this scene very clearly..so i m sure stating that he was trying to drag the ball out of her possession & he did but meanwhile he hurt her with his legs....but he didn't hv a realisation of hurting her. he realised that she is hurt only when he turned back after making a goal...& he was equally shocked to see her hurt. that means ..he hadn't hurt pooja intentionaly
If he it was unintensional how did he ask Pooja to move?? Is it the rule of the game and what Pooja was doing was complete a part of the game!! He asked her to move and when she didn't agree he kicked her, so howz it justified??

See I understand that Abhi is hurt, frustrated, but thats definitely not an excuse!!
If I'm hurt and frustrated and I slap my friend and then apologise for it, do U think that will make any sense?? See at the end of the day we all should have a control over ourselves and if we tend cross LOC then its definitely a mistake, let the reason be anything for that harqat!!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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dear..there is no need to get a dream regarding change of naina's mind. Any mature person( i m sure u would agree that raj is mature)...who suddenly sees a change in a naina's behaviour & attitude towards him....what u think that he sh'd understand. is raj thinking that there is some kind of magic that changed her attitude overnight. specially when he knows that it is only abhi..to which naina is connected regarding navin...& when u hv seen that naina & abhi r sharing a bond. & when u urself has sent abhi to naina before leaving to see the red box.


secondly...cadets will feel ignored to see that raj is going to talk to his friend..to whom they hv just shown such an humiliating ungreatfulness... i think those cadets sh'd feel the taste of ignorance. raj saw abhi the moment he came there but still he didn't bother to leave his cadets for his friend.

abhi is certainly not following the policy of " i m hurt so others sh'd be hurt". if it is so..then why didn't he hurt alekh..who is the main person making him feel demoted to raj. he was alekh who called him in game room but ignored at the moment raj entered the room.

ur example of slapping & apologising a friend again based on intentional behaviour..but i'hv already said that abhi was not intent to hurt.

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