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Posted: 14 years ago
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Totally and completely agree with you Parul! You have summed Dutta's reactions well!
I havent seen todays episode and hence I am clueless about the new DON in town but generally speaking here -
Initially when Naku entered his life, Dutta wasnt in any mood to transform. He was in pain and at times we dont realize but we get habituated and comfortable to live in that condition. We dont want a change, atleast not initiate it on our own and how could Dutta initiate a change on his own? He has to have a reason to change, there had to be a trigger or a kick! Naku was that trigger or kick and she showed him the "reason" to be "Sups". This was the motivation factor for him to start tranforming. But after Sups fiasco, he was pushed much more deeper in the pit than he was before. The old and the new bruises merged, creating a fatal wound and Naku took the fall...For few days Naku's patience and tolerance hit the deaf ears but gradually they started absorbing Naku's words and actions....and the result was a drastic 180 degree transformation,....Dutta started liking the new alien feeling, He found the air fresh and scented...He was enjoying the new world and he agreed that he was in love with Naku....He created a notion in his mind and credited her for this drastic change.
Naku rescued him from a morass in which he was sinking deeper and deeper and with this notion in mind, he became unconsciously dependent on her support...He has numerous times gone to her invariably (whether in Friendship phase or when in love) even at the slightest of uneasiness!
My dad always sings this song - Famous Rajesh Khanna song -
Chingaaree koee bhadke, to saawan use bujhaaye
Saawan jo agan lagaaye, use kaun bujhaaye?
(When the sparks of fire aggravate, the rain pacifies them, but if the rain speads the fire, then who would pacify the fire now?)

Mazdhaar mein naiyaa dole, to Maanjhee paar lagaaye
Maanjhee jo naaw dooboye use kaun bachaaye?
(When the boat is about to sink in the water, the helmsman saves it, but if the helmsman is hell bent on drowning the boat, then who can save the boat?)

Here, Naku was the "saawan" or "Maanghee" for Dutta, the "chingaaree" or the "Naiyaa", but now this saawan or Maajhee, itself has betrayed him, atleast in Dutta's mind, then as per him, there is noone to rescue him anymore...He doesnt have a reason to change...The problem is that people dont realize that the change is for their own good and not for others.
Also, As I mentioned in other post, This time I dont want an external help reaching Dutta, in the form of Jagtap, Subbu, Madhu or anyone....When a third person tries to show the way, you dont tranform 100%...You adopt a borrowed mind and work on it...This doesnt change YOUR own feelings and notions...They only get submerged in the deepest layer of your mind...But If you yourself make an attempt to change, you have your own "Aha" moment and then you can raze the unkempt notions without a trace!....The problem with Dutta is that he has always been interdependent on borrwed brains when it comes to his emotions, be it, Kala, Naku, AS or even baaji....Hence, he could never remove his inbuilt prejudiced notions from the ground....This causes him to keep falling in the same Morass time and again...He is not healed completely....If he wants to remove them permanently, he has to work on his own!! And its high time!...
Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#12
Niki.. amazing amazing analysis.. i miss u so much on IF.. your posts are outstanding.. and wow, kya gaana chuna tune.. truly and aptly explains dutta dn nakku thru this song!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

You absolutely made sense 😛....I just loved your @ blue statements 👍🏼......

Awwwwwww............Thank you Pearl............ ...........................



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Posted: 14 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Totally and completely agree with you Parul! You have summed Dutta's reactions well!

I havent seen todays episode and hence I am clueless about the new DON in town but generally speaking here -
Initially when Naku entered his life, Dutta wasnt in any mood to transform. He was in pain and at times we dont realize but we get habituated and comfortable to live in that condition. We dont want a change, atleast not initiate it on our own and how could Dutta initiate a change on his own? He has to have a reason to change, there had to be a trigger or a kick! Naku was that trigger or kick and she showed him the "reason" to be "Sups". This was the motivation factor for him to start tranforming. But after Sups fiasco, he was pushed much more deeper in the pit than he was before. The old and the new bruises merged, creating a fatal wound and Naku took the fall...For few days Naku's patience and tolerance hit the deaf ears but gradually they started absorbing Naku's words and actions....and the result was a drastic 180 degree transformation,....Dutta started liking the new alien feeling, He found the air fresh and scented...He was enjoying the new world and he agreed that he was in love with Naku....He created a notion in his mind and credited her for this drastic change.
Naku rescued him from a morass in which he was sinking deeper and deeper and with this notion in mind, he became unconsciously dependent on her support...He has numerous times gone to her invariably (whether in Friendship phase or when in love) even at the slightest of uneasiness!
My dad always sings this song - Famous Rajesh Khanna song -
Chingaaree koee bhadke, to saawan use bujhaaye
Saawan jo agan lagaaye, use kaun bujhaaye?
(When the sparks of fire aggravate, the rain pacifies them, but if the rain speads the fire, then who would pacify the fire now?)

Mazdhaar mein naiyaa dole, to Maanghee paar lagaaye
Maanghee jo naaw dooboye use kaun bachaaye?
(When the boat is about to sink in the water, the helmsman saves it, but if the helmsman is hell bent on drowning the boat, then who can save the boat?)

Here, Naku was the "saawan" or "Maanghee" for Dutta, the "chingaaree" or the "Naiyaa", but now this saawan or Maaghee, itself has betrayed him, atleast in Dutta's mind, then as per him, there is noone to rescue him anymore...He doesnt have a reason to change...The problem is that people dont realize that the change is for their own good and not for others.
Also, As I mentioned in other post, This time I dont want an external help reaching Dutta, in the form of Jagtap, Subbu, Madhu or anyone....When a third person tries to show the way, you dont tranform 100%...You adopt a borrowed mind and work on it...This doesnt change YOUR own feelings and notions...They only get submerged in the deepest layer of your mind...But If you yourself make an attempt to change, you have your own "Aha" moment and then you can raze the unkempt notions without a trace!....The problem with Dutta is that he has always been interdependent on borrwed brains when it comes to his emotions, be it, Kala, Naku, AS or even baaji....Hence, he could never remove his inbuilt prejudiced notions from the ground....This causes him to keep falling in the same Morass time and again...He is not healed completely....If he wants to remove them permanently, he has to work on his own!! And its high time!...

@ Bold : Yes............Word..........
But,DD how can this be possible.....Do you think Dutta can ever think on his own or analyse his feelings & emotions...............
For that he have to be left alone to the world where he is not influenced by anyone(especially the people whom he know) & let the "Life Lessons" teach him how to get through the problems & may even recognise or understand what xactly "The Bhal & The Bura"................
May this can possible,if he goes missing somewhere or he tried to know about Nakku on his own going to Basti..........
Dont know why ,but I have a feeling that the kinda life style in Basti has every chances to transform him or make him understand that,"He is not the only person in this world who has pain or Dhoka.........Dhoka or Fareb are part of Life..........If the motto(Irada) is bad,then even the Love is also become Bad or Betrayal".............
When he understands this,then atleast he will come out of his notion "Mujhe dhoke se Nafrat hain".................
RT now,it is not necessary that he accepts her..........But,it is necessary to cahnge his notios towards "Dhoka".........Then only he will be able to wholeheartedly accept Nakku & along with her even AS & Baaji.........
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Saaki--

Saaki, Accepting her is the result of transformation...Its the process in between that has meat and the secret for Dutta and Naku's happy coexistence for life!....
Frankly, I am at a loss as to how Dutta would transform himself without external help, I just know that this time, no borrowed brains pls....Till he has his own Aha moment, born out of his own brooding, he would always have traces of prejudiced notions....
Having said that, sometime Saaki, it is important to get inside the pit to clean it of trash...u just cant clean it from outside...he has to stay with these people to change his mindset on these people....Although, his living in basti is not a bad idea, as they say, "Aap beeti, toh jag beeti".....but dont you think if he just comes to know why Morey was behind Naku and what Anna's real intentions were, that shld be enough to boil his blood...after all, he does love Naku....The fact that what Naku could have suffered, or where she could have been, if Anna or Morey had got their way around Naku....that itself should send him in fury!!!.....Only if he would listen to her.....
If Baaji could understand, Dutta would too...he afterall loves her like noone!
Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettywoman

Niki.. amazing amazing analysis.. i miss u so much on IF.. your posts are outstanding.. and wow, kya gaana chuna tune.. truly and aptly explains dutta dn nakku thru this song!

Thanks Vandu....yeah, Dutta's current mindset reminds me of what my dad taught me...For a long time, I didnt know it was an actual song....Its the "Maanjhee" line that he is more crazy about!!!
hmmm....yeah, I do keep lurking here and there huns but I am always reachable to you! 😛...Parul makes such thought provoking posts that it becomes hard for me to resist scratching those grey cells and moving my hand on keyboard! 😆😆
Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@DD
Completely agree with what you said in your posts; the difficulty here is that Dutta does not even want to introspect. How do you get him to do that??? Hence, unfortunately, he needs an external push to delve into the inner psyche. I am convinced that the only way he can understand why she donned the soot, is for Naku to be in trouble. His "good" self will then emerge and then maybe the thought of possibly losing her will help him understand.
Sometimes, I feel Naku should play hard to get. She should still be around him, but not make herself accessible to him and his taunts. He should seek her out, then maybe he will ask her to explain herself.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Totally and completely agree with you Parul! You have summed Dutta's reactions well!

I havent seen todays episode and hence I am clueless about the new DON in town but generally speaking here -
Initially when Naku entered his life, Dutta wasnt in any mood to transform. He was in pain and at times we dont realize but we get habituated and comfortable to live in that condition. We dont want a change, atleast not initiate it on our own and how could Dutta initiate a change on his own? He has to have a reason to change, there had to be a trigger or a kick! Naku was that trigger or kick and she showed him the "reason" to be "Sups". This was the motivation factor for him to start tranforming. But after Sups fiasco, he was pushed much more deeper in the pit than he was before. The old and the new bruises merged, creating a fatal wound and Naku took the fall...For few days Naku's patience and tolerance hit the deaf ears but gradually they started absorbing Naku's words and actions....and the result was a drastic 180 degree transformation,....Dutta started liking the new alien feeling, He found the air fresh and scented...He was enjoying the new world and he agreed that he was in love with Naku....He created a notion in his mind and credited her for this drastic change.
Naku rescued him from a morass in which he was sinking deeper and deeper and with this notion in mind, he became unconsciously dependent on her support...He has numerous times gone to her invariably (whether in Friendship phase or when in love) even at the slightest of uneasiness!
My dad always sings this song - Famous Rajesh Khanna song -
Chingaaree koee bhadke, to saawan use bujhaaye
Saawan jo agan lagaaye, use kaun bujhaaye?
(When the sparks of fire aggravate, the rain pacifies them, but if the rain speads the fire, then who would pacify the fire now?)

Mazdhaar mein naiyaa dole, to Maanjhee paar lagaaye
Maanjhee jo naaw dooboye use kaun bachaaye?
(When the boat is about to sink in the water, the helmsman saves it, but if the helmsman is hell bent on drowning the boat, then who can save the boat?)

Here, Naku was the "saawan" or "Maanghee" for Dutta, the "chingaaree" or the "Naiyaa", but now this saawan or Maajhee, itself has betrayed him, atleast in Dutta's mind, then as per him, there is noone to rescue him anymore...He doesnt have a reason to change...The problem is that people dont realize that the change is for their own good and not for others.
Also, As I mentioned in other post, This time I dont want an external help reaching Dutta, in the form of Jagtap, Subbu, Madhu or anyone....When a third person tries to show the way, you dont tranform 100%...You adopt a borrowed mind and work on it...This doesnt change YOUR own feelings and notions...They only get submerged in the deepest layer of your mind...But If you yourself make an attempt to change, you have your own "Aha" moment and then you can raze the unkempt notions without a trace!....The problem with Dutta is that he has always been interdependent on borrwed brains when it comes to his emotions, be it, Kala, Naku, AS or even baaji....Hence, he could never remove his inbuilt prejudiced notions from the ground....This causes him to keep falling in the same Morass time and again...He is not healed completely....If he wants to remove them permanently, he has to work on his own!! And its high time!...

I'd been scanning threads looking for u.What luck!Found you on one analysing D Darling.
Awesome As Always.👏
I was always weary of the notion that D always has to be guided taking his hands by someone or the other. I feel at heart he is still that terrified 3 year old Damodar Patil left behind to the mercy of this heartless world. He never really got over that trauma, those wounds still fester under the armour of anger & aggression he has worn. He never let his wounds heal.Because to heal would mean to touch them.The pain was so overwhelming he was always scared to do that. Then Nakusha came bringing a bit of relief from that pain but unfortunately temporary relief was followed by even bigger pains.And life still continues to deliver blows after blows. But this time he must stand up on his own.He has to overcome that fear of getting hurt.Because his history shows that this playing safe has brought him nothing but more ache.When he dusts himself & stands up again all on his own that will be THE TRANSFORMATION. There will be no falling back to old ways ever in his life again.
Loved your choice of song for D. Was amusing myself over his old hot look but this song brought me back to reality that D has fallen in terrible despair.YET AGAIN.😭😭😭
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Droopy_asleep:
By external forces, I meant, a third party sitting beside him and giving him gyaan! I am OK if a Morey or Anna type leeches come in, they could be the catalyst to make Dutta atleast decide to lend ears to Naku....But I dont want a saint type catalyst giving him gyan of life and love....I think Dutta has enough in his repository for lifetime...he just needs to open the repo and make his own analysis and do his own churning...Thats the only way to get the "Aha" moment!!!
BTW, Somehow, I am not for Naku playing hard to get...I am OK if she decides to leave PN "AFTER" Dutta's tranformation (as she was telling Baabi) but not before....If she does that, which she has never done as Kaali Naku, it will only prove Dutta that he was always right about Beauty betraying and his notion will only become stronger...Her strengths are her tolerance, patience and the healing touch...If she goes otherwise, she would prove Dutta that the Koel Naku which displayed these traits, who never left him alone in the face of any adversity, was a farce and this Gori Naku, who is playing hard to get, is the real face...This would only confirm his notion and he would remain unhealable...Dutta needs to see that the Naku is the same beneath the fair skin and not different....
After Dutta heals, she can decide to leave if she feels that he might have healed but she is not sure whether he still wants her in his life....And then yes, Dutta shld stop her and show the real results of his tranformation by ACKing her and keeping her at a pedestal....
This is my POV!
@Zuby:
😆😆😆....I am becomning Dutta's Ninjaa - right? 😆
BTW, Very well said Zuby!
u r right...Somewhere he is still a kid who needs someone to hold his hand and walk with him...This I believe roots down to his real parent abandoning him in his childhood and somewhere also boils down to the selfish motives of AS, that let him be the don for her daughters and her luxuries...He never really got the right support at the right age and hence, even at this age when he should be emotionally stable, he needs emotional support!!!....
He can remove this dependency on borrowed minds, borrowed hands and borrowed shoulders only when he heals himself right from his roots....He needs to become the right shoulder for Naku and not otherwise always...and hence, this time, he is on his own to sort out his own issues....Noone can solve his issues...Only he can...
and I totally agree that Dutta was scared to touch his wounds..As I said, he had become comfortable with the fostering wound and habituated to live in such atmosphere....He never took steps to heal but now he has no choice...If he has to coexist with Naku, he has to fight...he cannot make the wounds his habitat yet again...That is one more reason, I am glad,Naku decided to not leave him and be in front of him with her true identity...Her presence with the goraa face will compel him one day to face his demons....before her entry, he didnt have a reason to face them and noone really compelled him to....
😆😆....I am sorry Inmate No D101 that I got you out of your dreamworld....You can go back to being droolicious at Duttacious!! 😆😆....Do u want me to sing some romantic song like, "Pehla Pehla pyaar hai"....🤣 🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Saaki, Accepting her is the result of transformation...Its the process in between that has meat and the secret for Dutta and Naku's happy coexistence for life!....
Frankly, I am at a loss as to how Dutta would transform himself without external help, I just know that this time, no borrowed brains pls....Till he has his own Aha moment, born out of his own brooding, he would always have traces of prejudiced notions....
Having said that, sometime Saaki, it is important to get inside the pit to clean it of trash...u just cant clean it from outside...he has to stay with these people to change his mindset on these people....Although, his living in basti is not a bad idea, as they say, "Aap beeti, toh jag beeti".....but dont you think if he just comes to know why Morey was behind Naku and what Anna's real intentions were, that shld be enough to boil his blood...after all, he does love Naku....The fact that what Naku could have suffered, or where she could have been, if Anna or Morey had got their way around Naku....that itself should send him in fury!!!.....Only if he would listen to her.....
If Baaji could understand, Dutta would too...he afterall loves her like noone!

DD,Parul has opened one more thread where she clearly mentions about "DP's letter being catalyst for Dutta's second realisation"............
What you say about it?
I will just quote what I have commented there..............
Yes,DP's letter may become the catalyst now.........Along with whatever you have mentioned here,I want to add one more thing,
"What if DP's letter has something which can change Dutta's notion towards "Dhoka".........????"
See,DP knew his son has this hatredness towards "Dhoka"..........So,he might have just tried in his letter to make Dutta realise that "Dhoka" always is not something which is wrong........
It may be Betrayal,lie or FAreb.........IF the "Irada" is not bad or If Dhoka is done for others "Good",then it is not wrong at all.........
Similarly,If someone loves you for their own benefit or selfish reason or any bad intention behind it........Then,even the "Love" becomes "Dhoka"..........
So,everything lies on "For what reason you are doing".............
Dutta should understand this....This is what Kala's "Bhala,Bura" is..........
When Dutta once understands this,then leave Nakku,AS or Baaji........He will never ever get hyper about "Dhoka" at all.........?Then,he will try to look at the matter in different perspectives & more calmly.......................
I think thats what he needs to do rt now................"Change his notion towards Betrayal & himself too"..............................
What do you say about it yaar..................Eventhough DP's letter would be catalyst here,Dutta will himself also calculate & think all the "Dhokas" he got from Seema to Nakku........Then,he himself realise the fact that I have mentioned above........
Then,definitely Dutta can see Nakku's "Dhoka" in her perspective...............
I think CVs are heading towards this.........They want Dutta to rule out his notion about "Dhoka"........
May be its all for that only.............
Edited by --Saaki-- - 14 years ago

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