Dutta Reverting Back--Changing for Yourself - Page 3

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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Zuby:
😆😆😆....I am becomning Dutta's Ninjaa - right? 😆
I am imagining you in clad in black with those balaclavas (hope got that right) with ur weapon drawn out.😉😆 Better you than those D calls his BG🤢
BTW, Very well said Zuby!
u r right...Somewhere he is still a kid who needs someone to hold his hand and walk with him...This I believe roots down to his real parent abandoning him in his childhood and somewhere also boils down to the selfish motives of AS, that let him be the don for her daughters and her luxuries...He never really got the right support at the right age and hence, even at this age when he should be emotionally stable, he needs emotional support!!!....
He can remove this dependency on borrowed minds, borrowed hands and borrowed shoulders only when he heals himself right from his roots....He needs to become the right shoulder for Naku and not otherwise always...and hence, this time, he is on his own to sort out his own issues....Noone can solve his issues...Only he can...
Agree!👏👏👏 He has acquired that slave mentality where he has completely pushed his own needs & happiness out of his life & lives just to serve his family.Because everytime he has stepped forward & put his hand out to touch what he loves the ground beneath his feet has been pulled out mercilessly.It happened once again last week. For him that was the final nail in the coffin of his happiness.
and I totally agree that Dutta was scared to touch his wounds..As I said, he had become comfortable with the fostering wound and habituated to live in such atmosphere....He never took steps to heal but now he has no choice...If he has to coexist with Naku, he has to fight...he cannot make the wounds his habitat yet again...That is one more reason, I am glad,Naku decided to not leave him and be in front of him with her true identity...Her presence with the goraa face will compel him one day to face his demons....before her entry, he didnt have a reason to face them and noone really compelled him to....
A very tough road ahead, indeed. Without his support systems too. Nakusha is still a new phenonmeon in his life but with the loss of Baji's friendship shade???😭 But as you said maybe that's what he needs.This isolation would put him on the path of his enlightening journey of self-discovery
😆😆....I am sorry Inmate No D101 that I got you out of your dreamworld....You can go back to being droolicious at Duttacious!! 😆😆....Do u want me to sing some romantic song like, "Pehla Pehla pyaar hai"....🤣 🤣
Dekho na.Pehli baar pyar hua bhi toh TV serial ke character se!😭 Honestly its a real tragedy of my life. I see such spineless idiots everyday in my life & D's stock goes thru the roof.There is only one D & he lives in a TV set. Kya hoga mera?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Saaki:
You might be right....And who knows, DP's letter might hold lot of answers to Dutta's questions.....
Your snippet in bold did make me think that while reading DP's letter and walking back in the memory lane, Dutta might recollect how Naku helped him in that phase, how she got him back to making peace with AS and how selfless she was...That letter, no matter what the content is, will compel him to think about Naku....Will force his thoughts towards Naku that he has been very judiciously avoiding...The DP phase can only throw positive light over Naku's character and not otherwise.....
Edited by Dancingdoll - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Zuby:
the Kill bill types Huh? 🤣😆😆....and I am 100 times better than those BGs....You see, I am immune to chloroform....🤣😆😆
and on your first love, Probably you should take a trip to Mumbai....what say? 🤣🤣
btw, Yet again, I agree with you....Poor guy...First time, he was in love in its true sense and he's already in depression!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very well said DD....brilliant analysis 👏

Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Totally and completely agree with you Parul! You have summed Dutta's reactions well!

I havent seen todays episode and hence I am clueless about the new DON in town but generally speaking here -
Initially when Naku entered his life, Dutta wasnt in any mood to transform. He was in pain and at times we dont realize but we get habituated and comfortable to live in that condition. We dont want a change, atleast not initiate it on our own and how could Dutta initiate a change on his own? He has to have a reason to change, there had to be a trigger or a kick! Naku was that trigger or kick and she showed him the "reason" to be "Sups". This was the motivation factor for him to start tranforming. But after Sups fiasco, he was pushed much more deeper in the pit than he was before. The old and the new bruises merged, creating a fatal wound and Naku took the fall...For few days Naku's patience and tolerance hit the deaf ears but gradually they started absorbing Naku's words and actions....and the result was a drastic 180 degree transformation,....Dutta started liking the new alien feeling, He found the air fresh and scented...He was enjoying the new world and he agreed that he was in love with Naku....He created a notion in his mind and credited her for this drastic change.
Naku rescued him from a morass in which he was sinking deeper and deeper and with this notion in mind, he became unconsciously dependent on her support.👍🏼

He has numerous times gone to her invariably (whether in Friendship phase or when in love) even at the slightest of uneasiness!
My dad always sings this song - Famous Rajesh Khanna song -
Chingaaree koee bhadke, to saawan use bujhaaye
Saawan jo agan lagaaye, use kaun bujhaaye?
(When the sparks of fire aggravate, the rain pacifies them, but if the rain speads the fire, then who would pacify the fire now?)

Mazdhaar mein naiyaa dole, to Maanjhee paar lagaaye
Maanjhee jo naaw dooboye use kaun bachaaye?
(When the boat is about to sink in the water, the helmsman saves it, but if the helmsman is hell bent on drowning the boat, then who can save the boat?)

Here, Naku was the "saawan" or "Maanghee" for Dutta, the "chingaaree" or the "Naiyaa", but now this saawan or Maajhee, itself has betrayed him, atleast in Dutta's mind, then as per him, there is noone to rescue him anymore...He doesnt have a reason to change...The problem is that people dont realize that the change is for their own good and not for others. 👍🏼

I would like to add one thing more....Have you heard the song 'Ae zindagi gale laga le' from the movie Sadma ??? In it there is a line going like this, Humko sahaara mil gaya hai zindagi !! Humko kinaara mil gaya hai zindagi !! Nakusha is this 'sahaara' , 'kinaara' in dutta's life and this sahaara itself is the reason of his heartbreak once again and hence his disappointments and his distressed state. 😲 Nakusha is the sahaara, kinaara, saawan and the maajhee in dutta's life and he just can't believe what the maajhee has done to him after all the healing and hence, he is even more disturbed than before and extremely shattered.


Also, As I mentioned in other post, This time I dont want an external help reaching Dutta, in the form of Jagtap, Subbu, Madhu or anyone....When a third person tries to show the way, you dont tranform 100%...You adopt a borrowed mind and work on it...This doesnt change YOUR own feelings and notions...They only get submerged in the deepest layer of your mind...But If you yourself make an attempt to change, you have your own "Aha" moment and then you can raze the unkempt notions without a trace!.. 👍🏼

The problem with Dutta is that he has always been interdependent on borrwed brains when it comes to his emotions, be it, Kala, Naku, AS or even baaji....Hence, he could never remove his inbuilt prejudiced notions from the ground....This causes him to keep falling in the same Morass time and again...He is not healed completely....If he wants to remove them permanently, he has to work on his own!! And its high time!... 👍🏼

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Saaki--

Awwwwwww............Thank you Pearl............ ...........................



Ooooh thank you too for that BIG HUG 😳......Here take one from me as well ........
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Totally and completely agree with you Parul! You have summed Dutta's reactions well!

I havent seen todays episode and hence I am clueless about the new DON in town but generally speaking here -
Initially when Naku entered his life, Dutta wasnt in any mood to transform. He was in pain and at times we dont realize but we get habituated and comfortable to live in that condition. We dont want a change, atleast not initiate it on our own and how could Dutta initiate a change on his own? He has to have a reason to change, there had to be a trigger or a kick! Naku was that trigger or kick and she showed him the "reason" to be "Sups". This was the motivation factor for him to start tranforming. But after Sups fiasco, he was pushed much more deeper in the pit than he was before. The old and the new bruises merged, creating a fatal wound and Naku took the fall...For few days Naku's patience and tolerance hit the deaf ears but gradually they started absorbing Naku's words and actions....and the result was a drastic 180 degree transformation,....Dutta started liking the new alien feeling, He found the air fresh and scented...He was enjoying the new world and he agreed that he was in love with Naku....He created a notion in his mind and credited her for this drastic change.
Naku rescued him from a morass in which he was sinking deeper and deeper and with this notion in mind, he became unconsciously dependent on her support...He has numerous times gone to her invariably (whether in Friendship phase or when in love) even at the slightest of uneasiness!
My dad always sings this song - Famous Rajesh Khanna song -
Chingaaree koee bhadke, to saawan use bujhaaye
Saawan jo agan lagaaye, use kaun bujhaaye?
(When the sparks of fire aggravate, the rain pacifies them, but if the rain speads the fire, then who would pacify the fire now?)

Mazdhaar mein naiyaa dole, to Maanjhee paar lagaaye
Maanjhee jo naaw dooboye use kaun bachaaye?
(When the boat is about to sink in the water, the helmsman saves it, but if the helmsman is hell bent on drowning the boat, then who can save the boat?)

Here, Naku was the "saawan" or "Maanghee" for Dutta, the "chingaaree" or the "Naiyaa", but now this saawan or Maajhee, itself has betrayed him, atleast in Dutta's mind, then as per him, there is noone to rescue him anymore...He doesnt have a reason to change...The problem is that people dont realize that the change is for their own good and not for others.
Also, As I mentioned in other post, This time I dont want an external help reaching Dutta, in the form of Jagtap, Subbu, Madhu or anyone....When a third person tries to show the way, you dont tranform 100%...You adopt a borrowed mind and work on it...This doesnt change YOUR own feelings and notions...They only get submerged in the deepest layer of your mind...But If you yourself make an attempt to change, you have your own "Aha" moment and then you can raze the unkempt notions without a trace!....The problem with Dutta is that he has always been interdependent on borrwed brains when it comes to his emotions, be it, Kala, Naku, AS or even baaji....Hence, he could never remove his inbuilt prejudiced notions from the ground....This causes him to keep falling in the same Morass time and again...He is not healed completely....If he wants to remove them permanently, he has to work on his own!! And its high time!...

Loved your post 👏! Especially the way you explained in connection with the song was just perfect 👍🏼!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Saaki--

@ Bold : Yes............Word..........
But,DD how can this be possible.....Do you think Dutta can ever think on his own or analyse his feelings & emotions...............
For that he have to be left alone to the world where he is not influenced by anyone(especially the people whom he know) & let the "Life Lessons" teach him how to get through the problems & may even recognise or understand what xactly "The Bhal & The Bura"................
May this can possible,if he goes missing somewhere or he tried to know about Nakku on his own going to Basti..........
Dont know why ,but I have a feeling that the kinda life style in Basti has every chances to transform him or make him understand that,"He is not the only person in this world who has pain or Dhoka.........Dhoka or Fareb are part of Life..........If the motto(Irada) is bad,then even the Love is also become Bad or Betrayal".............
When he understands this,then atleast he will come out of his notion "Mujhe dhoke se Nafrat hain".................
RT now,it is not necessary that he accepts her..........But,it is necessary to cahnge his notios towards "Dhoka".........Then only he will be able to wholeheartedly accept Nakku & along with her even AS & Baaji.........

Wow I just loved what you said @ blue 👏! You pointed out the source problem, i.e., Dutta's notions and definitions about 'dhoka' needs to be revised as its these exaggerated notions that makes him to believe that 'dhoka' is the ultimate sin or something . He has to understand that things are not always black and white and just because an act might 'seem' to be wrong, sometimes evaluation of the circumstances and intention of the act might redeem it to be a right or not-so-wrong one.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl

Wow I just loved what you said @ blue 👏! You pointed out the source problem, i.e., Dutta's notions and definitions about 'dhoka' needs to be revised as its these exaggerated notions that makes him to believe that 'dhoka' is the ultimate sin or something . He has to understand that things are not always black and white and just because an act might 'seem' to be wrong, sometimes evaluation of the circumstances and intention of the act might redeem it to be a right or not-so-wrong one.

@dewdrop-pearl, absolutely agree.
But I can see how deep this sense goes, and how far back in time. Beginning with his fath er, leaving him to settle a gambling debt like he was some object. Then Seema. Then Sups. Then Naku. It's very hard for him not to generalize, as dhoka has been part of the fabric of his life...and his anger is his lashing out at people whom he has trusted and put his faith in, and who minimalized him at the end as a human being by their actions.
It is a very big undertaking...it's very hard to leave the past behind. So, I hope the CVs tread carefully and creatively, versus turning it into another cheesy love story angle for Naku and Dutta. How she changes him again.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very nice post.Parul,I simply love your thoughts.They are refreshingly different and thought provoking.
Loved all responses too.Agree with all that no one can actually change any one.You can just show direction and path,provide stimulus and conducive positive environment for change but change has to occur at an internal level in a person and that is the only change that is sustained and permanent.What Nakku did was saw beyond Dutta's superficial persona,probed deeper ,recognized his hidden good side and accepted him as he was..And acceptance is truly a beautiful thing.When a person is accepted for being who he is,a deep calm settles within;It opens the path for self -love and true peace within oneself.
Before meeting Nakku ,Dutta was scared to be vulnerable,emotional and prone to hurt again,so he convinced himself that he does not need love,there is no one in world who would return his trust and love he is unworthy of deserving love but his soul and heart craved for love ( the most basic and important of human needs).This conflict made him deeply unhappy and pushed his life in darkness.
With Nakku's unconditional love,trust,acceptance of him as he was,that conflict was gone...he had got what he most craved for,his love starved soul was satisfied ,hence he felt light,happiness,joy in life.With this "betrayal",the conflict has returned and is pulling him to dark hole again.
He is now hurt as a light of hope shown to him after long dark night has been snatched away from him yet again.
Nakku never changed him as a person,she just accepted him as he was and made him love himself again.
Now Its Dutta's turn to accept himself.and love himself ,because it is when you love yourself ,can you love someone else.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Niki:Loved each and every line by you.SIMPLY LOVED YOUR RESPONSE👏

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