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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

@Adi, I don't have any doubts on whether she has the "right to information" or not...She does!! I dont have any doubts that she shld seek for answers as the future/current(this status would always confuse us!! 😆😆) DIL...With Dutta and Naku thinking about a future together, have taken steps to move towards that direction, she automatically gets rights to all the secrets and information in his life and vice versa!!...So, I have no questions about it....I dont mind her being curious and asking AS about the secrets....My issue was the "demanding tone"....My issue were the words used by her, something like, "You would have to give me answers" or smethng to get the answers from AS!!!....I dnt think she deserved to use tht tone with her secret lurking behind!! I totally agree, that AS was tryign to hide the secret forever and NAKU anyways intends to tell him, "One day" (probably when he wuld become blind due to old age and it woudlnt matter anymore whether she is fair or dark!! 😆) but nevertheless, she defn has all intentions to tell him!!!...And that is not my problem....as I said, I dnt have issue with her seeking information...AS reaction that Naku has witnessed since last week, definitely calls for snooping and investigating....but my problem is the tone!!!....She never appreciated the same tone used on her by others like Baaji for instance, he asked her to reveal the truth in the shed!!....or..Dutta had begged her just before CP's entry to tell him the truth, and what did she have to say - "Mein Kya bolegi saab"...I mean what???😲😲😲...that has to be the most insulting, hilarious and out-of-place line ever...can make anyone reach the edge bcoz of tht....You, who has always verbally confessed your love for me from the roof top, just ran away from my proposal and u have no explanation??? and u r wondering "what possibly can be said for this mess????"...this has to be the most preposterous response!!!😲😡.....Imagine if AS tells her the same thing - "Naku, Mein kya bolegi?".....wouldn't it be enough to go and bang ur head in frustration????.......This is what I meant by the tone....She needs to see herself in the mirror before she uses "demanding" tone!!!
I am not trying to make her commit two wrongs, I am trying to make her understand that she is dng one wrong and is moving deeper into it and I am trying to make her mind her tone based on her own conscience!! I am not stopping her from investigating the AS's secret!!!
Also, I strongly believe that you can never hide truth from the subject...he would eventually come to know and the more u delay, the worse the consequences.....Babi having issues in revealing, well, I will better not touch upon tht topic because then I would totally kill Babi😡😡....Not sure whether that woman nowadays even knows what she wants in life......I expected her to be happy for Naku, that finally Naku has found her happiness and finally the time has come when Babi can "happily" remove the soot from Naku's face and "free her daughter" from this prison!!!....She would be more than happy to do it....Wasnt she the one who told Naku long time back tht when she finds a suitable guy for her, she herself wuld take the onus to remove the soot!!!....Well,My blood boils to even think about Babi in tears and eating her paloo!! She can curse Dutta for "freeing" Naku from this marriage but when he wants to go ahead with this wedding, she doesnt want her daughter to remove the soot as tht wuld destroy her happines...How is she planning to keep tht secret from dutta forever, after the marriage???
But I do object to Naku, waiting infinitely for her mom to come to terms with the whole change and then a green signal from her mom to reveal the one secret on which Dutta has had a right for a long time....But I guess, as someone put it before, I have become "immune" to this whole FR thing....I am now OK, whenever FR happens...I just feel tht the need of the hour is Tasha scene....They have to yet reach the zenith of their relationship...they have jsut started......





Agreed! Of course given the advantage of knowing that she herself is guilty of hiding a big secret from Dutta, we are absolutely justified in feeling that she perhaps loses a bit of her "moral" right to be demanding an answer. And in that tone!!! No-No!

But as I am the devil's advocate, i still believe that her secret and the secret aayisaheb wants to bury, forever, cannot be brought on the same pedestal. Of course, Aayisaheb could have a much valid reason to shield dutta, but nakusha has never asked anyone to keep mum about her secret like aayisaheb wants her to (woh toh Dutta ki kismat hi aisi hai ki koi, including anna's men haven't teased him about the magical beauty of his wife 😆😆).

When people are carrying a guilt of hiding a secret, confrontations almost always get them to speak up. When Baji absolutely forcefully confronted Naku, she did reveal the truth to him. I completely agree with you that she kept mum about this when Dutta probed. She could have simply come clean, but i give the benefit even in that case simply because he began by saying how her being "not so good-looking" was one of her assets. It was a time when she was not even equipped to face her own fears- almost alone in that conflict within her. Now she has Baji to atleast share her mind with in case Dutta reacts impulsively. That one moment when Dutta wanted to know her reason for running away was not so appropriate to reveal the truth as both of them were not really in a "composed" state to talk it out- we know that although he did put up a calm front, he was agitated and when you've to reveal something that is almost "unknown" to you too, to a person you don't want to lose, that is certainly not the time you'll find any courage to do it. Post that, thanks to all the madness (read: Babi digging the graves for them) yes, she can be charged GUILTY!

But, being the Devil's Advocate- let me use the theory of "Mens Rea" to support my point. Mens Rea deals with the "guilty mind" but in terms of 'intent'. On the one hand you have a person who has absolutely no intention to speak up the truth, even on being caught and confronted - twice- once by naku and then by Dutta- a person who in turn asks Naku to keep mum about everything. And then you've another person who is keeping a very big secret too, but definitely INTENDS to reveal it because she knows she cannot step into the new-found relationship of love without being transparent and truthful and her support systems aren't really encouraging her in anyway to face the consequences of her decision to reveal it to a rather impulsive person. Can you hold both of them equally guilty?

About the tone- yes it does not sound right at all- but we're judging that tone based on our existing advantage of knowing her truth, without even witnessing the entire conversation between the two. Remember, she is confronting her mother-in-law, who holds a lot of authority to deny her the answers- whether the justification is valid or not for this denial. Yet, Naku knows that if not coaxed she would never share those reasons that are perhaps giving her so much grief from within. Just as Baji was forced to let Naku break her silence and share what he could visibly see was eating her up, Nakusha too wants to get Aayisaheb to share her mind. I do not think we should read it as being "authoritative" to just know the secret. She is concerned about Aayisaheb too and so, in an event when she knows how hell bent the lady is about destroying all evidence of the secret - Nakusha has no other option but to force this truth out - she is very well aware that Dutta will catch up with this truth faster than Aayisaheb can even hide it!

And no, I am not defending Nakusha's guilt at all - but we must not connect this secret with the one she is shielding, because though her reasons for keeping mum are foolish, she is very very aware that the relationship needs to be transparent and she will eventually speak up her truth (I hope much before they turn old only gazing at each other 😛😆🤣). Yet, why does it never bother anyone that this man - who is so powerful - has never bothered to ever check on her background in terms of what was really bothering her or sit down with her and really talk to her about her past! 😊 It would encourage her to speak up, knowing that he is interesting in knowing her as deeply as she wanted to know him!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ADIorb

i love the tennis match between DD-Adi always.. beautiful discussions😃
now i can see clearly and thanks to you Adi for that.. yes, Nakku has become Baaji for the moment trying to force out the truth from AS, out of concern and again if tone is slightly overboard, u r absolutely right that we have not seen the entire scene and cant charge anyone guilty based on pre cap.. so let's see if we change our minds after watching tonight's episode.
regarding why D has never asked N about why she ran away or about her past, yeh toh ji cv's hi jaane mein thak gayi sochte sochte.. zyaada baal nahin bache mere yahaan ke hard water ne aada uda diya and now this show is gonna take my other bacha kucha baal at this rate😆 on a serious note, now that u mention, tumhi pls bata do ki usne abhi tak nakku ko kyun nahi poocha.. waise toh usko ghoorne mein, haath pakadne mein koi kasar nahi chodtha.. toh why has he not asked yet? fear that he may not like the truth?!😕

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Adi-- i agree that timing was not perfect whn D questioned her on why she ran off.. yes, he was still agitated. she could see that just by her running off caused him so much grief. so she knows what implications her FR will have.. so why prolong something like that hoping/praying that somehow miraculously FR will work out well between them.. why stretch it like chewing gum when u know what the end result will be like. is she just using Babbi as an excuise to not reveal as i feel that way now.. i understand her POV, but if i was hidden from a secret, then i would be equally pained that the person i love/trust took soooo long to tell me cos they had no trust on me .. so the longer she leaves it she is making it worse.. sorry, for the rant.. i know u will anser back with some logical reasons like this is the biggest truth of her life and so on, but finding it harder day by day to justify her actions
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettywoman

Adi-- i agree that timing was not perfect whn D questioned her on why she ran off.. yes, he was still agitated. she could see that just by her running off caused him so much grief. so she knows what implications her FR will have.. so why prolong something like that hoping/praying that somehow miraculously FR will work out well between them.. why stretch it like chewing gum when u know what the end result will be like. is she just using Babbi as an excuise to not reveal as i feel that way now.. i understand her POV, but if i was hidden from a secret, then i would be equally pained that the person i love/trust took soooo long to tell me cos they had no trust on me .. so the longer she leaves it she is making it worse.. sorry, for the rant.. i know u will anser back with some logical reasons like this is the biggest truth of her life and so on, but finding it harder day by day to justify her actions



The longer she leaves it, the worse she makes it. But, when you are really in that position, trust me, you would delay it just as much as her. It is not as easy to confess a truth as it is to hide it. I can emphatically guarantee that! I think someone who has the real nerve to face the consequences - who has conquered all his fears - can definitely speak the truth without hesitating, but Nakusha is not that kind of a person. Her fears are raw - just as raw as their relationship. Getting up and speaking without fear definitely needs courage - and it takes a while to muster that courage. But it takes courage - greater courage to sit down and listen to the truth - and no matter how much Dutta seems to have changed, he still lacks a lot of patience to actually hear someone out completely! Right now like i said, Nakusha's support systems are doing no good by discouraging her - that is the last thing she needs when she is groping for courage in the dark - she needs someone to hold a candle and wait behind as she tries to take that steps ahead - the last few steps of walking in the dark will be darkest and she will have to make that walk alone - but as a human, she will only be more encouraged to get up and speak if the two people she can fall back on, support her to some extent. It is an unenviable position that she is in and sadly, with no escape!
I don't think even 10 days have passed on the LTL timeline since Chulbul came and Dutta confessed her love to him! 😆 We are watching it for a month and the fatigue is seeping in.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ADIorb



The longer she leaves it, the worse she makes it. But, when you are really in that position, trust me, you would delay it just as much as her. It is not as easy to confess a truth as it is to hide it. I can emphatically guarantee that! I think someone who has the real nerve to face the consequences - who has conquered all his fears - can definitely speak the truth without hesitating, but Nakusha is not that kind of a person. Her fears are raw - just as raw as their relationship. Getting up and speaking without fear definitely needs courage - and it takes a while to muster that courage. But it takes courage - greater courage to sit down and listen to the truth - and no matter how much Dutta seems to have changed, he still lacks a lot of patience to actually hear someone out completely! Right now like i said, Nakusha's support systems are doing no good by discouraging her - that is the last thing she needs when she is groping for courage in the dark - she needs someone to hold a candle and wait behind as she tries to take that steps ahead - the last few steps of walking in the dark will be darkest and she will have to make that walk alone - but as a human, she will only be more encouraged to get up and speak if the two people she can fall back on, support her to some extent. It is an unenviable position that she is in and sadly, with no escape!
I don't think even 10 days have passed on the LTL timeline since Chulbul came and Dutta confessed her love to him! 😆 We are watching it for a month and the fatigue is seeping in.

main jaanti thi.. main jaanti thi.. forget dutta, u will always come as Nakku's knight in shining armour.. jab bhi i get tired of nakku and rant, u will calm me and make me think rationally, which is hard to achieve i must say😆 ab who wil be her saathi in the dark.. dont rely on anyone nakku.. ab candle hain darkness mein and so tmhara saaya toh hoga hi, bas ho gaya na.. tumara saath tumhara saaya dega😆 that is best.. ab pata nahin N ke paas courage ka unlimited khazaana hain unlike me where the stock is fast depleting😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Adi I agree with you to some extent but see it seems she does not have any courage to convince her mother....see truth is way better than lie. Rather than consulting with Bappa, she already knew bappa would not have appreciated nakusha to lie ...she should have gone to Dutta and revealed her truth. Atleast it would not have hurt dutta that much. But if it happened accidently , then Dutta will be extremely hurt and disgruntled with Nakusha. Nakusha also loves dutta but here it seems she lacks trust on Dutta. Dutta would not have taken her as betrayer if she had conveyed him truth in open way... look this is the reason why I rejected yr proposal. Would you still marry me despite knowing truth of my life and past. I am very upset the way CVs have not even tried to show Dutta asking about Nakusha's past. I mean dutta should have known what nakusha has gone through. I mean previously she was just a maid, but now she is going to be his wife......He as her husband should ask and know about any truth from her past life ...unless they open up each other like an open book, their relationship wont be strengthened. I m waiting for Dutta to break the ice. if he can read what is worrying Aye saheb, He should by now found out that Nakusha is worried. He is just staring and not moving forward with any conversation with Nakusha. I know He has accepted her the way she is... timing is definitely important. But see delayed FR will lead Nakusha to betrayer zone. I don't want perhaps we all don't want CVs to show Nakusha as betrayer. She should know that now she is dutta's life and wife.. its better for her to reveal her truth.....she has not destroyed any evidence nor kept any vow that she wont tell dutta but still delaying this will lead to worst repercussions. Dutta's happiness lies in all people loving him and also equally trusting him. Let him swim like a baby fish thrown into the pond. you cannot really keep dutta out of trouble . he is born with troubled fate. Besides that Nakusha also could have tried telling her truth to AS. That was better option than baji. Anyway may be CVs want nakusha to help dutta confront truth about his father and past and helping him recover from the shock of his identity. if her face would have been revealed, then dutta had no one to share his feelings to. but still hiding a truth is still bad. be it AS or Naku both are partner in crime....they both r hiding secret that will shatter dutta completely.😊 ADI help us fight our demons. still seeing Nakusha as a culprit....poor me 😭😭
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Anu, We are not asking for cozy romantic scenes...simple friendly convos also go a long way in building the foundations....Infact its not romance but thes econvos tht define people....makes ppl understand the person well...
as I said, u cant prepare for the test, after the date of test....u need to be prepared before tht...he cannot make sense out of her attitude and secret, till he is very sure that no matter what she throws on him, she can never intent wrong....for tht, more Tasha scenes are required!!,....Not eyelocks...but convos!!

Dutta is any way going to think it as a betrayal once the FR happens. But if they show them spending some quality time together.......It would surely help
I mean, How much does Dutta actually know Naku. Let's leave her face aside. What about her life. They have never spoken of Naku's past. What was her life like b'4 she came to PN? Her likes / Dislikes...
If Dutta is shown even a slight glimpse of Naku previous life, Dutta could understand Naku better, as per why she hid her face, what was her majboori.
Plus. all said and done they are Hus-wife. Takling to each other, spending time, Undertanding each makes the foundation of a relationship, which helps it to pass any test of time.
If the CVs show, all of a sudden Dutta understanding Naku and trusting her completely it surely would look hollow!!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: mussy.jamshed

Adi I agree with you to some extent but see it seems she does not have any courage to convince her mother....see truth is way better than lie. Rather than consulting with Bappa, she already knew bappa would not have appreciated nakusha to lie ...she should have gone to Dutta and revealed her truth. Atleast it would not have hurt dutta that much. But if it happened accidently , then Dutta will be extremely hurt and disgruntled with Nakusha. Nakusha also loves dutta but here it seems she lacks trust on Dutta. Dutta would not have taken her as betrayer if she had conveyed him truth in open way... look this is the reason why I rejected yr proposal. Would you still marry me despite knowing truth of my life and past. I am very upset the way CVs have not even tried to show Dutta asking about Nakusha's past. I mean dutta should have known what nakusha has gone through. I mean previously she was just a maid, but now she is going to be his wife......He as her husband should ask and know about any truth from her past life ...unless they open up each other like an open book, their relationship wont be strengthened. I m waiting for Dutta to break the ice. if he can read what is worrying Aye saheb, He should by now found out that Nakusha is worried. He is just staring and not moving forward with any conversation with Nakusha. I know He has accepted her the way she is... timing is definitely important. But see delayed FR will lead Nakusha to betrayer zone. I don't want perhaps we all don't want CVs to show Nakusha as betrayer. She should know that now she is dutta's life and wife.. its better for her to reveal her truth.....she has not destroyed any evidence nor kept any vow that she wont tell dutta but still delaying this will lead to worst repercussions. Dutta's happiness lies in all people loving him and also equally trusting him. Let him swim like a baby fish thrown into the pond. you cannot really keep dutta out of trouble . he is born with troubled fate. Besides that Nakusha also could have tried telling her truth to AS. That was better option than baji. Anyway may be CVs want nakusha to help dutta confront truth about his father and past and helping him recover from the shock of his identity. if her face would have been revealed, then dutta had no one to share his feelings to. but still hiding a truth is still bad. be it AS or Naku both are partner in crime....they both r hiding secret that will shatter dutta completely.😊 ADI help us fight our demons. still seeing Nakusha as a culprit....poor me 😭😭




Peace begins with understanding. But love may begin with conflicts - conflicts that are not always on the exterior, but also within. See, just as Dutta has to shed his inhibitions about many things, Nakusha also has one big weakness - she is not capable of making decisions for herself because she never has! How she will live her life has always been decided by someone more authoritative - her mother, then Dutta for the time she was his "prisoner" and now she is used to living life on other's terms! It is a trait in her character - that is her imperfection. Also, do not overlook the kind of background she comes from - she is not a girl like you and me - independent, confident and ready to face consequences (to an extent she is ready, but then she does rely on the opinions of those who matter to her). Her mother has always made decisions for her and it is not easy to suddenly get up and say that I will decide it for myself. Of course, she is stepping into the zone of betrayal - but like someone just said in this thread : It is better to keep quiet than to lie about something. Nakusha has just kept quiet, not lied. Whenever she has been confronted with her face, she has told the truth - be it Subbu or Baji. Dutta has never asked her! Why has he never asked her? He has always been so pre-occupied with his own notions that he has hardly even given it a thought. Plus, he thinks it does not matter who she is, where she comes from and how she has lived before as he can see the present and that is enough for him. But for Nakusha, perhaps, it would be slightly better if he starts asking her about her life - you can really encourage someone to speak if you make them feel you are interested!
Right now, with Dutta not wanting to know anything, why will a girl like her not be influenced by her mother's words? Of course, there will be a time when she will realize she has to take some decisions herself, but honestly, less than ten days since she "learnt" of Dutta's love for her, it is slightly demanding to ask her to walk into his room and tell him everything, without him even dropping the slightest hint of wanting to know her better than gazing at her!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Also friends you must have observed when dutta finds out something accidentally, he gets damn angry and doesn't even listen to anyone. If Nakusha had gone to him personally and explained her truth, he would have reacted badly but it would have helped him calm down later and evaluate things calmly. But now if FR happens accidentally, Nakusha ki khair nahe hain........Dutta won't even listen to any reason (after seeing last two episodes , where he was about to punch and kill baji LOL)......after some ghusha gadhay ki aqal tu waisay bhe ghaas charnay gaye hue hain.....baad mein aqal aye gee aur phir naku naku karay ga............😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Im really pissed off right now!!

I had written a lengthy post .. and it just vanished! i feel like breaking my lap top at the moment!





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