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Posted: 14 years ago
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Arrey girls bus... now lets move to DD's other thread and do some dhamaal there! 😃 Today she is playing doubles with me she said! hahahaha! now this topic is old.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00


No Sara, not at all. **GP pulls at her ear lobes...Maafi, please**

You have an understanding of the characters and an openness to them, that arises from you yourself and your insights...it's what you take in and understand. Not other people's comments. What I was saying is that there are some things that Adi has enabled all of us to think about and use to further our understanding or opinions of the characters, including Nakusha. And I totally understand that your comments mirror closely those of Adi, because of your own understanding of the characters and that you share similar thoughts, just as I share similar thoughts with others.

I hope you understand.

Its ok GP.. u dont have to say sorry .... 😊 I respect every perspective but ya i do not disagree with the fact that Ur last post did upset me .. but like i said .. i respect ur opinion but cannot agree..

an no no no! thats not the case with me! Adi, DD, Fivr, Ksh actually translates there thoughts more Eloquently then me Which makes me Feel easy and great as whatever i wanted to say/ write is being said by them in a more convincing way ... thats all ...

I guess Parul we both have one thing in common .. we both stand firmly by our views!

so no hard feelings from my side too... 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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wow, chupi rustam Adi.. u were here from the beginning but could not resist joining only in June.. chalo der se hi sahi...😛
BTW, it is ur large heartedness that u think u have not contributed in any way i interpret the characters.. i can think of numerous times when i have questioned several things incl the most difficult one for me which was did Dutta fall for Nakku just cos she was there for him?! i know u wont forget that one so soon😉
kitni baar tumne patiently nakku ke gun gayi hain mere saamne when i have ranted about how i cant understand wht she had done and trsut me after reading your thoughts, i sort of re-connect to the naku i know and love which was pushed aside due to my own selfish/unreal demands from the show.. i am one person who is happy that FR is after SP track as I hope/pray cv's use this track/time wisely to build the trust between tasha and make their bond more stronger emotionally as dutta should have this atoot vishwas after nakku being with him that she is his for life and will accept him for what he is, irrespective of his parentage. i think dutta will even question his decision to throw out Kala tai as he may hold himself to be the reason/responsible for SP's death and how AS in spite of knowing all this still did not stop Dutta from ousting Kala from PN nivas.. he will even begin to doubt whether he can be ever good as he knows his dad is of such a bad character.. he may doubt that he may turn out like his dad and this is the time when nakku should reinforce her faith, AS's faith in Dutta and that he is a far superior human being to DP and should never ever compare himself to DP as that thought itself will be a slap to AS's sacrifices and upbringing.. sorry for digressing.. but could not stop the flow😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00

Please take my comments in the spirit they are written--not to antagonize but to question and to push the envelope in terms of our thinking of the characters and show.😃


Ok, again, the conversation leads down the same line--how everything can be explained away with some hindsight psychology. Some rationalization. How we have failed to understand the characters.

After reading this post, which is remarkably similar to many others we've had questioning things the show is doing, I had the following thought: A GOOD show is a show that within its 1/2 hour or 1 hour or whatever can FULLY CAPTURE the characters insides, outsides...everything. It can do this in one episode, two, or it may take months. It is where things make sense..the rhythm makes sense. It doesn't have to be perfect. Occasional liberties have to be taken.

Having said that, when you are seeing that don't make sense and have to rely on someone who works on the show to explain it, then there is a problem with the show. There is something that is not translating to on-screen. We are lucky that Adi has been so good about explaining things from her perspective, and addressing our criticisms.🤗

"Idle viewing", whatever that means, is what TV is for. It is there to also get you to think, to accept, to question, etc. Take ART, or LITERATURE, or MUSIC. Any form of expression. You develop a reaction to it, a feel of it, an opinion, a learning that is of your own creation. You do not just accept an "official" explanation of it.

There is NO manual at the bottom of the TV screen, or next to a painting, explaining characters--we use our standards, experiences, values in judging them. Viewers do NOT and should NOT need someone to explain the "official" psychology of a character. If it is not coming through on the screen in the character's words, actions, expressions, then something is WRONG.

As I mentioned, one of the things about TV is that it gets you to think, to question. And that is completely valid, because if I'm questioning it, then there are many others (including those at kitty parties😆) to whom the same or similar questions/thoughts occurred. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the comment on idle viewership. But I have to ask, how is my questioning a form of IDLE VIEWERSHIP? Idle viewership is when you accept everything you see and say of course it has a reason, of course it's right, it's genius! Is it idle because I do not understand or accept the "official" version

I could be wrong here, but I think, when viewers question a character's goodness, it is active involvement in the show. So when I say Naku is a liar, she is. Not because I'm ignoring her psychology or her background. It is because, at the end of the day, lying is something most people try to understand on some level (maybe it's because she is scared, hell I'm scared of losing things too), but will NEVER forgive, especially if taken too far and especially when too many chances have come and gone to redeem yourself with the truth. That is why I am so shocked at how we repeatedly excuse Naku's behavior. Poor girl, boo hoo, came from the slums. You can only rely on that excuse for so long. Arre, it would be a field day for defense attorneys if we judged people completely by the excuses or explanations.

And that is how I feel about Naku. I could say, psychology tells me that because of her impoverished background and Mommie Dearest making decisions, she has NO CLUE about what is RIGHT and WRONG, LYING or NOT LYING, she suffers from DECISION PARALYSIS. Let me throw some more psychological terms in there: she has PTSD because of More, poor self-esteem, passive-aggressive issues (sometimes sherni/sometimes not)...I could go on. Hence, we can't blame her. We have to understand and still respect her. Are you serious???? A woman who can judge Anna's actions (how do I know Anna didn't have a tough life, explaining his need for power?), everybody's actions (inclding the drinking, the gussa), and has that insightful gut feeling about people we all talk about, YET SHE DOES NOT KNOW RIGHT OR WRONG? If she can tell that Anna is bad, Subbhu is good, DP seems good...well she does know what is good and bad. And, we are all scared of losing the ones and things we love, but at some point she should have mustered up the courage to say the truth.

Perhaps I am missing the boat here, but I really feel strongly about how the show has handled the Naku character.

I wanted to stop commenting on this thread but I couldnt stop myself...Parul, what a write up!! i mean, I bow to you, to put my thoughts exactly in words....Awesome Parul!! 👏👏👏...
now, coming to what thoughts you translated.....The Idle Viewership concept....This is SPOT ON, what i was talking about....The common man just takes a feeling along with him from the scene,, he DOES not do deeper analysis of the characters or the scenes....If he doesnt get the right vibes, thats the end of the game or he wuld crib and if he gets the right vibes, he would continue...he doesnt try understanding whether Naku who behaved so and so was justified "considering so-and-so circumstances"....
On the "official" part, I would say that it's not just Adi, Anyone in this forum, if they have to explain me in detail, we need to have arguments and dicussions to get a scene, then the CVs are not doing a good job of what they are communicating....Ambiguous feeling never helps...I totallyb accept that I have changed my view many a times, after reading other person's view here or seeing Adi's analysis but the truth remains that the stand that I changed to, was NOT the feeling I got from the scene...Also, I never find myself alone with that feeling....I have lot many campers with me....and usually in majority in the forum...so, thats obvious tht the scene didnt communicate what we are trying to udnerstand here.....Whenever I explain ppl why they ned to calm down about a scene, I do feel a tinge of discomfort that I had to do rigrous snalysis to get to where I am and the peoplee I am explaining didnt even get the vibes from the scene then what are CVs dng?.....
In a Kitty party, i always see all aunties agreeing to one thing...Like..."Oh yes, Naku ko dekho toh, khud sach chupaake beithi hai aur apni saas se aise baat kar rahi hai!! 😆😆😆"....And this is how common man thinks...their decision is usually widespread...Only very few ppl like us can do deep dive and really try making sense....and why do we do it? why dnt we take the same feeling and keep quiet? because there is sme aspect of the show that we love that keeps us connected...Like for me, It is Dutta and his expressions....for that part, I try making sense of lot of things that idly would have behaved like a common man....why do I not watch Ekta's shows, bcoz they are full of "hiding the truth from hubby" and then rationalizing them...I never put on the gals shoes there, but I do here, bcoz of this one aspect tht I love about the show....I like other things also about the show, like the story telling ptechnique, other characterizations, exploring the depth, sticking to reality as much as possible etc, but what keeps me glued is Dutta and his expression....similary, everyone has its taker....and thats why we try giving reasons to lot of reactions we dnt connect with, bcoz we wanna continue loving the serial!!
Take for eg - Bhaskar Bharti...Awesome show...It was one of the best shows I had ever seen.....but the common man did not connect to it...did not put themselves in the shoes of a guy turned gal....😆😆...the show died!!!....
and on Naku...I too behaved exactly how u mentioned, I gave her too many benefit of doubts, but when it becomes too many, its obvious that we have also started giving excuses to self to justify her action...too many opportuities passed by but we cannot keep excusing her always!! and her taking the guilty trip with us, is not a valid reason for us to not feel frustrated!!...And the excuses only make it worse for us!!...I totally agree..I went thru the same thing but her, "Mein kya Bolegi Saab" and demanding tone, totaly put me on the edge!!! and ur analysis on decison Paralysis is exactly what I am saying...she cannot be termed as not courageous or one who cannot make her own decisions...she has proved umpteen number of times that she is independent, can make her own decisions......and hence, this new facet is something I am not able to accept as her weakness too....Its just a disconnected facet from the character sketch we have of Naku!!...Show her weaknesses, but dont take her character tangentially to a diff facet altogether that her character doesnt remain what she has been!!
I dnt analyze any show this much, but LTL has stood true to its characters and storyline...It has tried being as real as possible and hence, when this new facet popped up which did not complete the jigsaw puzzle of Naku's character an was totally alien to it, I also got ucomfy!!!....Well said...Although, I dnt agree on the "liar" part about Naku or Adi speaks Official!! 😛😊

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