God (Bappa) and Human Actions

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Posted: 15 years ago
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If I had a dollar for every time someone said Bappa in the show as of late, I would be sitting on a tidy sum right now. šŸ˜†

Jokes aside, Naku's and Dutta's Bappa references make me think about a couple of things. I sometimes have very conflicting attitudes towards for example, when Naku says Bappa, I leave it all to you...I wonder what you have planned for me.

I'm using Naku's situation to highlight the larger question of: what is faith, does faith mean you do nothing? Or conversely, in Naku's case, are you faithful/religious because you abdicate right action in favor of waiting to see what Bappa has in store?

Perhaps I am oversimplifying the question, but sometimes I get irked by people not acting because in their eyes they are being faithful and are letting God decide.

Faith to me is a very personal thing. I have it, in some form and shape and quantity and quality, just as everyone has it. It's not always the same as that of another person and that is totally ok. But I believe in faith in God, faith in people, and faith in what are certain right or undeniable truths of how to live. I live using my faith and God's teachings to guide me. Sometimes, I feel Naku is just like blaah...show me the way Bappa, make something happen Bappa, do something Bappa...I'm waiting. Well, Bappa gave her life, perhaps a destiny, AND the ability to choose, make decisions and act. And she sometimes hides behind it. I'm not sure if it means she is religious/has faith or if she is a coward.

I read this once. I don't totally subscribe to it or accept it, but it does provide food for thought:
"The worst moment for them was when they discovered they were masters of their own fate. It was not a matter of bad or good luck. When they could no longer blame fate, they were in despair."

What do you think?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Awesome topic gp....You know, from the faith perspective, I am actually like Naku....I also believe in one god (ofcourse I dont call him Bappa šŸ˜‰) and I strongly believe that whatever happens is for good and that God is with me to make things right for me!
Now, Does that make me laid back, sit behind and see things unfold on their own! No! As they say in Hindi (and the literal English translation is - ), If the food is in your destiny, doesnt mean, you do not lift the spoon to take the food from the plate to your mouth!...
I try using my values to dictate my actions but the consequence of my action, I believe is 50% in my hand and 50% in the hands of the circumstances unfolding in the environment, which we also call as destiny. Together these two factors contribute to the results or incidents around me!.....When do I use the Faith in god to help me?....When I have to analyze the result or the consequence....I gave my best shot in the incident, but now the result is upto you god....Whatever is the result because of the rest 50% (destiny), I have full faih in you that it would be good for me....I might not see at that moment what is so good about it but I would eventually.....Just keep the faith on and mindset positive.....
Because I have similar liners/Principles as Naku, I could put in my point forward!
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Originally posted by: Dancingdoll

Awesome topic gp....You know, from the faith perspective, I am actually like Naku....I also believe in one god (ofcourse I dont call him Bappa šŸ˜‰) and I strongly believe that whatever happens is for good and that God is with me to make things right for me!

Now, Does that make me laid back, sit behind and see things unfold on their own! No! As they say in Hindi (and the literal English translation is - ), If the food is in your destiny, doesnt mean, you do not lift the spoon to take the food from the plate to your mouth!...


I try using my values to dictate my actions but the consequence of my action, I believe is 50% in my hand and 50% in the hands of the circumstances unfolding in the environment, which we also call as destiny. Together these two factors contribute to the results or incidents around me!.....When do I use the Faith in god to help me?....When I have to analyze the result or the consequence....I gave my best shot in the incident, but now the result is upto you god....Whatever is the result because of the rest 50% (destiny), I have full faih in you that it would be good for me....I might not see at that moment what is so good about it but I would eventually.....Just keep the faith on and mindset positive.....


Because I have similar liners/Principles as Naku, I could put in my point forward!



You raise a good point that I too agree with--you do your action, the result is not always something in your control. And, in general, things do work out for the best--that I absolutely believe in now more than ever in my life. But quite honestly, I find that Naku does NOT believe in action, she just doesn't act according to Bappa's teachings...she just waits for things to happen. Very rarely, I find her hiding behind Bappa...when she is confused of what she should do, she does nothing. I guess inaction is an action in and of itself too.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Cool topic gp...
Well i totally agree with you i believe in action first and asking for help after u take the first step...
You can ask God to guide you and help you in every step of the way.. Bt you HAVE to take a step first..
And as far as Nakku is concerned... GOD..!! She needs to take a step only then Bappa can help her.. She can't just keep sitting and just praying to Bappa to make something happen, maybe a miracle etc etc... 😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00



You raise a good point that I too agree with--you do your action, the result is not always something in your control. And, in general, things do work out for the best--that I absolutely believe in now more than ever in my life. But quite honestly, I find that Naku does NOT believe in action, she just doesn't act according to Bappa's teachings...she just waits for things to happen. Very rarely, I find her hiding behind Bappa...when she is confused of what she should do, she does nothing. I guess inaction is an action in and of itself too.

u r making me think here gp....U remember that incident in the Jungle, when Dutta scolds Naku for following her insticts and leadign them to Jungle. He was basically scolding her for putting her foot down to be with him in the face of death....That is when Naku tells him, "Mein kuch nahi karti, Mujhse sab bappa karvaata hai"....So, I guess she attributes her actions to Bappa too...When she performs her actions, she immediately thinks that she performed it because Bappa might have wanted it.....Hence, she is not worried about the consequence bcoz if the action was dictated and directed by Bappa, then he is responsible for the consequence also. and we all know Bappa can never do anythign wrong....I personally dnt relate to it bcoz normal human beings like us dont get god's direction. We perform actions based on the value system that we have set in our mind and the result is left to god!!!!
But I guess what CVs wanna show is that since her every action is directed by Bappa, Naku is never wrong! She has direct Bappa's blessings!!....thats the character skectch they wanna potray about her, which i believe, makes her a special soul!!....bcoz that definitely doesnt happen with normal man!...i thinks thats the way CVs can show how Naku is different from other gals in the serial....
Edited by Dancingdoll - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I can understand Naku's problem to an extent...sometimes we dont know what to do....Which way to go, where to stop....yes action is important but we dont know the consequences of our actions...and life is like a car journey at night...your headlights only reveal a few steps ahead...however, with those headlights you can actually travel a 1000 miles or more

...Naku doesnt know wht to do....what the consequences will be...I dont blame her...If i was in her place, I would have asked Bappa to show me the way...because I woudnt want to lose the guy I love and yet lie to him...

She doesnt want to take the onus of her actions because she doesnt know what the result will be...when you are in such a situation and you ask God/or the universe for guidance, you get it....things happen..events unfold.....something happens that forces you to choose......so that will happen with Naku...her intention is right...she has Baji by her side...and she knows she has to do it...the only question is when and how...that is what she wants Bappa to decide and I think thats perfectly reasonable...

and its not that Nakku is special..I think she is pretty normal girl...only she has immense faith....a faith that sees her through everything....so its her faith thats going to help her....Faith is what moves mountains......we all know that dont we ? 😊

😃 my two cents
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Edited by chinuji2004 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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a very good topic gp............loved it..............well i too trust god a lot but sometyms wen everything turns dark i hav faced many a situations lyk that i lost faith in him..........i hav cursed him for making me go thru such difficulties and asked him why me???????????but u know the more i mistrusted him the more he made me realise that he is there for me.........and all those bad things which happened proved to be a blessing in DISGUISE for me.........and my faith was again restored.....i hav realised that whatever happens to u is for good...........and coming to FAITH........FAITH can do wonders..........naku had the guts to face such difficulties with just that one faith..........and AS WE SAY"FAITH CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS"IF u hav faith on someone he will never betray u!!!! 😃

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