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Posted: 7 years ago
Shaavi, how do you manage to be so positive about everything??? 😊Really admire you for this trait. Very rare indeed. And also very much needed in today's world where we are so quick to see everybody's and everything's faults.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Shaavi

How could you feel the makers are questioning women if they are ready to take a second place? I don't see any indication. Sonakshi looks least bothered to see Soha and Subh bond so well with Dev. I don't think she feels for losing her position. I think she is fine with the second place as long as she can progress in her career and reach her goals. She is not concerned about society even. I believe so. If she gets calls she will defiantly answer that she is fine with the role reversal.

I see no effort on part of the makers to drive the story towards any sort of realisation. I already told I was not impressed with her speech.

Still I am hoping against hope that your word should turn true. I desparately wish


JALK I appreciate your choice to be with your boy. I can connect with you as I am one sort of posessive mother to whom her daughter means the world. Despite being in job I managed to spend most of the time with my daughter.



Lakshmi
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Posted: 7 years ago
@JALK2000 I absolutely understand what you are trying to say, to be very honest KRPKAB is definitely not the best example in terms of depicting feminism. It's probably not regressive but in terms of depicting true feminism they have failed. So currently I see the show as a fiction instead of taking any social message from it.

Remember the time when Dev's over possessiveness track was going on and how Sonakshi had given him a long talk/lecture on independence & woman's empowerment instead of trying to understand the exact reason for his behaviour and how in the forum as well many of us were proud of Sonakshi for taking a stand, that is the makers way of showing feminism , when that track should have been about the detachment/insecurity issues that Dev faced it became all about makers twisted way of feminism . I mean Dev was the very same person who never stopped his sisters nor Sonakshi or for that matter even Ishwari from pursuing their career/dreams. In fact he could have easily given Malti money but instead he gave her daughter job so that the self respect of that family is maintained, yet they showed Dev as a male chauvinist who wanted his wife to sit in house, I mean how ridiculous can it get. If this is what the makers mean by feminism then sorry I am not a feminist.

If the makers way of showing feminism means a strong independent woman must become emotionless then sorry I am not a feminist. If the makers way of showing feminism means for the Wife to succeed the Husband had to sacrifice his career/dreams then sorry I am not a feminist. If the makers way of showing feminism means that the mother or father should not compromise on her career so as to take care of the kid then sorry I am not a feminist. When feminism should be about the equality of rights of both Man & Woman what the makers show is anything but that.

Now coming to the Sonakshi's "Bhajiwala comment I would say let's take it in a humorous way. But as far as the reactions are concerned if Dev would have said the same then we would have gone ballistic, remember the time when Dev called Bijoy "Budhau or "Mogambo even those were said on a lighter note yet there were so many strong reactions in the forum, so unfortunately the rules are different for men & women. In fact I remember quite a few saying how Sonakshi could tolerate Dev calling Bijoy Mogambo and criticised her as well.

Let me give you one more example of how rules are different, when Sonakshi calls Dev "Mumma's Boy it shows how weak is Dev and how he is still holding on to his mother, in fact in our society as well when any Male is called a "Mumma's Boy it's taken as a insult but does the same hold true when a female is called "Daddy's Girl, the answer is No, In fact the girl is looked upon with pride for being a "Daddy's girl just like Sonakshi is shown as Bijoy Bose's daughter. So yes the rules are different for a man & a woman.

Coming to yesterday's episode I was totally lost, I could not connect to Sonakshi's speech even though many in the forum were going gaga over it, but what was more ridiculous is Dev needing Ishwari's permission for taking care of his own son and while all this is happening Sonakshi keeping absolutely quiet, when she was not allowing Dev to speak when Ishwari was speaking with the Nanny and asked Dev to learn from his mistakes what happened to her before Ishwari why did she not say to Ishwari that Dev is the father of there kids and has more right than Ishwari to take care of them, isn't it double standards.

Anyways I have low hopes from the series , I watch it only for the kids & as a habit along with the tiny hope which @SHAAVI's post give me.

Apologies for the long rant, I had to get it off me.
It's just my POV, no offence. Sorry if anyone is offended.
Edited by sp12 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
sp12, you took the words right out of my mouth. EVery single thing you said, I culdnt agree with more.
What a valid point, Mumma's boy was said by SOna as a taunt and it is meant to be an insult and yet thru postleap epis we only see Sona wax eloquent abt her Best Baba Bijoy and about how he has only made her what she is and how Bijoy keeps saying he has only shaped her and and all. Yet Ishwari, who actually did this, shape her boy into The Devrath Dixit never says this. She is possessive and while I do not support her or say her actions are right, I get where she is coming from. But what reason does Bijoy have for being so controlling abt his daughter?? None.

And DEv has plenty of reason to call Bijoy names bcos the old man behaved abysmally when DEv was in his house, even to the extent of trying to prevent him from having food by cooking non-veg items. We don't do that even to strangers. And Sona was a silent bystander to all of this.

In fact, there were many instances in the Dixit house when Dev stood up for Sona (buaji comments, Neha comments. Neha marriage, Ayan thing etc, more recently he went completely against his mother when he knew that pregnancy was risky for SOna (She stuck to Ishu like glue tho) ) and by stood up, I mean he went against his family members. He spoke up for her. And he is still called spineless by her.

Actually, Sona is the spineless one here. A grown woman who still needs her father's name to be the foundation of her identity, who still cannot speak up for the man she (Ostensibly) loves against her father. She is completely confused abt who she is- but one thing is for sure, she is never just Sonakshi, always Miss Bose or Dr Bose.

I wudnt mind this so much if she did not have such a problem with DEv's mom wanting him to be just her son or DEv saying that his world is his Mom.
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Posted: 7 years ago
sp12, this part was completely over my head too: Coming to yesterday's episode I was totally lost, I could not connect to Sonakshi's speech even though many in the forum were going gaga over it, but what was more ridiculous is Dev needing Ishwari's permission for taking care of his own son and while all this is happening Sonakshi keeping absolutely quiet, when she was not allowing Dev to speak when Ishwari was speaking with the Nanny and asked Dev to learn from his mistakes what happened to her before Ishwari why did she not say to Ishwari that Dev is the father of there kids and has more right than Ishwari to take care of them, isn't it double standards.
I cud not, honestly, listen to that speech fully, it made my blood boil.

If a 5 month old cries, the parents will not be looking at one another figuring out what to do, they wud be bolting out of their chairs and running. In an earlier scene, Dev is calming down a crying Shubh and Sona bursts in and behaves as if Shubh has never cried in his entire life and only DEv is responsible for making him cry. NOw what happened?? If DEv has taken care of the kids all day, why is Sona expecting him to go to SHubh even when she is at home?? And who is Ishu to decide who shld go??

And by the way, who told her that she shld not care for the baby? Dev never said that. She or Mami Never took any initiative to do anything (sorry, saying that 'I'm in my room, call me if you need anything', is not initiative). Thats why DEv hired the Nanny. Ishu cud have done this hing pani thing from day 1, like normal regular folks do. If a neighbour has a new baby that is incessantly crying and you know what to do also, you wud help no? And our great nutrionist SOna who has raised one child ALL BY HERSELF did not know to give him hing- pani, HOW DOES SHE EXPECT DEV TO KNOW??

SOna actually mimics the way Ishu talks to Dev. See between Mom and son there is a unique bond that no other person can replicate. ANd between a mom-son who have been each other support system since his childhood, this bond is much, much stronger (speaking from experience here). My son wil put up with a lot of crap from me but not from anyone else. Similarly, I will too. A wife has her own special place and the Mom MUST understand that but the wife MUST understand that she will never quite GET (as in understand) that bond either. I dont have daughters so I wont speak about how it is with them.
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Posted: 7 years ago
For me the weirdest person who is responsible for this whole mess is the writer. He is confused to the extent of making all the charecters behave in a ridiculous and absurd manner that is nonsensical and unreasonable.
Like he made Dev declare he only will take care of the baby and children included. So he refused any help from any one in the house. When Vikky offered to drop the kids he said no. When Elena asked if he needed help,he refused. When Iswari tried to assist he said I will manage that made her say call me if you need. When the baby cried at night he did not let Sonakshi handle him.
So indirectly the golden rule implemented in Iswari Nivas due to our over smart Durjoy Dutta is if one is taking care of the kid,others should not interfere. I think it is the first time I am witnessing such wierd writing in the history of Indian Tele as far as kids issues are concerned.

This absurd consensus resulted in even more absurd scene at the dining table. Why would any member of the family need any other to permit them to manage the baby? No family operates in such a way. Especially the mother. She should have jumped towards Subh hearing him cry. But no. She is waiting for the green signal. I always said Sona is more fascinated by Iswari,Iswari Nivas, RR,Vikky than Dev in that order. To her Dev comes last in her priority list.

It is too insulting for me to see .2 as TRP for my Shaheer's show. Yes. It matters to me because my hero always had the best TRPs for his shows be it Mahabharat or Navya.

So the extention proved to me a nightmare of sorts. Opportunity lost.



Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Girls...lots of write-ups to be finished; but before I go through it, I just want to have your take on my 2 questions which have been circling in my thoughts during this weekend. And it will help us to give a break to poor Dev.😃
1.If Dev didn't have come in Sona's life, among Ritwik & Jatin, who would have been a suitable partner for Sona?
2.How would Ritwik or Jatin behave, if they were in such a situation as Dev, where he chose Sona's dream over his business.

And my answers are:
1. Both would have been equally good for Sona, except that Sona would have been more happy with Jatin as he use to continuously feed her with the validation she seeked. So, I go with Jatin.
2. I doubt whether both would have left their business like Dev did. Ritwik being a more mature person who doesn't take decisions based on emotions, would have for sure gone with a practical solution. Jatin, though would not have left his business, would have surely gone with a solution which had Sona's approval too.

P.S: To all Dev-Sona lovers who might stalk this thread, kindly note that this post has nothing to do with the story of Dev & Sona of KRPKAB. Being a person who likes to know more on human behaviour and several perspectives on that matter, I am just imagining Sona as a real character and trying to have other's views on how Sona-Ritwik and Sona-Jatin relation would have been. Having said that, kindly please note that I am an ardent fan of Erica and this questions has nothing to do with the real person too.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@grace4317 Apologies for chiming in.
Very Valid questions there, for me personally I would say that if there was a choice to choose between Ritwik & Jatin for Sonakshi as a life partner then I would say both would be good but Ritwik would be better and there is a reason for it.

Jatin is Sonakshi's childhood friend and it is obvious that both Sonakshi & Jatin would know each other's strengths & weaknesses so that is an advantage if they were to be life partners, but at the same time what I have seen is that when a couple know each other for a long time then the expectations from your partner increases as well but when those expectations are not met then it leads to disappointments and with time these increase (on a side note wasn't this the same problem with Dev & Sonakshi's marriage in S1, both had high expectations from each other but when that did not happen it lead to the break-up of their marriage) and that is where Ritwik has an advantage, both Ritwik and Sonakshi did not know each other before hand untill the marriage proposal. Both would have tried to know each other and this would have continued even after their marriage as well but the expectations would have been low as both would have given time to each other for better understanding, both would not be judging each other quickly and the kind of person Ritwik is he would treat Sonakshi as a Normal human being with flaws than others who feel Sonakshi is flawless be it Bijoy, Sourav or for that matter Dev. And that's why I feel Ritwik would be a better life partner.

Coming to what Ritwik or for that matter Jatin would have done if they were in the same position as Dev I am sure they would have balanced out things instead of leaving their business because both are way more practical than Dev (Dev was practical as well but it was only in the first 100 episodes ).

Its purely my POV, no offence to any Dev-Sonakshi or Erica Fans.

(PS - Wasn't this the discussion which happened on this post as well wherein some of us thought how Ritwik/Jatin would have been better partners for Sonakshi just like Natasha would be for Dev )
Edited by sp12 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Grace I agree with your option. It is Jatin for me too. He is closer to Sona and in a way understands her better. He knows her upbringing,influence of Bijoy in her life and her never accept her faults attitude.I also admit Jatin exercises his own influence on Sona whenever needed and becomes the guide philosopher. Between Jatin Sona the bond that exists looks strong and perfect that will stand the test of times.
Ritwick has his own set of beliefs or notions and may differ with Sona in issues that may result in unrest and misunderstandings. Also he is in a sense stranger to Bose household also . I am sure he would not prefer to be the househusband like Dev does. He would have suggested Sonakshi to take a break and entrust Saurav the responsibilities.


Jatin though not prefer the house husband mode would have helped Sonakshi run her project smoothly by taking care of the kids in turns. He is close to Saurav also So it is easy for him to work out a time shift arrangement with three of them taking the duties in an amicable manner.

I hope I am able to convey my take

Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: sp12



Wow..Never thought of it this way and if we come to think of it you might be right and probably Sony might pull this off by Diwali as it coincides with the 2 week time frame you have mentioned and the Diwali celebration might be the last scene. Also with Shaheer & Supriya Ji not there I do not know what else can they show apart from the Bose family, so ultimately your prediction might be true, probably the only thing is that when Sony showed the promo for this season they mentioned it as six weeks so I guess TRP was never a consideration probably as they showed in SBS segments it is back only because Sony did not have any show for the time slot.


sp12...I am almost 100% sure that the TRPs for KRPKAB is manipulated because even in the worst track it hadn't been this low and with the viewers having worked day & night to bring the show back, if not for an improvement, the TRPs would surely have been 0.4 atleast, as it was during the last weeks of S1. Also, if a show at 10.30 can garner 0.9 TRP, why can't a 7pm show have 0.4 TRP. However, as per latest updates, KBC & Beyhad will be ending on Oct 28th and Sony' 2 new shows are starting on 23rd & 30th October at 10 & 9.30 respectively. So that means if Sony plans to telecast PPK after 28th only, it still has 2 free time slots of Beyhad & KBC. But, there are 2 more upcoming shows, Porus & Prithvi Vallabh, getting ready for telecast. So, I would say let's wait & watch what is in store.

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