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Posted: 8 years ago
To be honest, if the dea of this season is to show that men can't be stay-at-home parents, then I am very very disappointed. SHowing Sonakshi as an average working mother is different than proving that stay-at-home fathers are unsuccessful in parenting their own children. If a show is going to have a track focused on a social issue, then it shouldn't be backtracking progress. It should help in showing that along with maternity leaves, paternity leaves are important.
Countries with most successful and highest quality of life offer equal maternity and paternity leaves to parent to allow them to bond them with their children. A child is not just a mother's child just because she is physically attached to the child during the first nine months. Besides that, there are hundreds of SIngle Fathers as well who own the responsibility of their children themselves.


Gender norms were created when humans did not have the luxuries and progress to support egalitarian society. Society today can be easily egalitarian because majority of the labor is intellectual and intellectually, men/women and +genders have the same capacity.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Harryfan011

Good to see all of you being so active...

The scene which saddened me the most was the one where Soha and Golu were acting like the stereotypical adults... I don't care whether this experiment of Dev and Sona can change the mindsets of people who are already adults and set in their ways...

(Already I am seeing that most of you have the same mindset and attitude that you had while watching the previous season... So, I will be really surprised if I see a change in your perspectives...)

But, if it could show and inspire the children (or other young adults) and teach them to choose a road that is often less travelled by and if it could make them realise the meaning of equality better... Then, I will consider this decision taken by the two of them as a successful one...

And, it is obvious that this decision, even if it's successful will not go forever... It is only until Sona's project is going on... And, I am actually surprised by how hyper every member's reaction is...

It is just the beginning... And, like every other task, both Dev and Sona will not be successful the first time around... Each day, they will have to come back to the drawing board and see where they are going wrong and then plan accordingly... It will be a more of a test of Devakshi and how far they have come than anything else...

We have only watched 4 episodes... And, this season is 30 episodes long.. We have a long journey in front of us... So, let us wait for a few more days and weeks until we get a more clear picture before we begin jumping into conclusions...



the ingrained and internalized idea of women doing certain things and men doing certain things because one is important over the other is a load of BS. Scientifically, there is nothing that proves that internalizing gender norms is healthy. It just creates a toxic masculinity and femininity problem which is terrible.

I hope they show that despite everyone's betting against them, Dev proves to be a good stay-at-home dad. Plus, it's not like Sonakshi works long hours that she won't be back by evening to see her children. Her daughter should have the example of not sacrificing and compromising her desires.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Suyash, I agree with your sentiments on people's attitudes towards Sonakshi. I think it's because all of a sudden on TV, we have an unapologetic flawed female lead who has a strong character and foundation that people can't see their pain and woes reflected into easily. Sonakshi isn't "submissive" as most people in our society and community hope for women to be and that is Sonakshi's strength and weakness. Embracing her own faults is where she lacks but her unapologetic attitude should not be erased.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Suyash, Areeba, the idea is not to show that men cannot be stay at home dads. It is to question the norm that "mom's are more important than dads for kids". In any legal system, when the question comes up regarding awarding child custody to one of the parents, the decision is always in favor of the mother(female). Only if the mom is found incompetent or incapable, the custody of the child is given to the father. In U.S , it is not easy for gay couples to adopt children as the idea is two men will not able to care for the baby better since there is no female present in that equation.

If we are talking gender equality, feminism and women empowerment, shouldn't the converse be true too. The notion that mom is the one who can take care of the children the best or men empowerment is not talked about. Why is the mother considered as the best care giver by society. Why are the men not empowered to be able to take a break to care for the baby. Why is the custody of the baby not given to the father even though the mother is competent and capable. If females are saying that we can do everything men can do, so don't treat us any less than them, then are the females ready to give up their biological advantage. When the parents of females look for a groom, why do they want a guy who is more educated than their daughters, or someone who earns more than their wives. When a couple go for a date or dinner, the expectation is that the guy opens the door of the car, pulls the chair for the lady, pours the wine, pays for the dinner etc. If we are talking about women empowerment, are these expectations right. Why shouldn't both the people pay for their own everything. If a guy doesn't do these etiquette, why do we say that he isn't been given good upbringing or that he is not taught to respect women. Are we as women ready to give up those privileges that our gender provides us, that we enjoy.

Gender equality should not be a one side thing. And that is what the makers are questioning. Why do we expect the men to be the ones to pursue the women. From the beginning even though Sonakshi talks about equality, she has never really been shown to take charge and take the first step. She didn't confess her love to Dev for fear of rejection. As soon as he said get out, she just went with what her baba wanted and didn't really tell him what she wanted. She didn't dare to wait or even pursue Dev at any given time. Only recently during Nisha engagement time, she followed Dev and expressed herself. In the beginning of the leap, every single time she made it a point to say that neither she nor Soha need him, that they are perfect without him. She made him feel useless. She in fact misused her biological advantage and didn't reveal Soha's existence to Dev.

Sonakshi believed in fairy tales. In all those fairy tales, the "prince" is the one shown to go on a quest to find the "princess". But she told Dev that she wants to fight her own battles aand that she didn't want him to be the one to slay her dragons. Dev is doing exactly that. He is letting her be the one to slay dragons. But when she comes back after the dragons are slayed, she will find that she has lost her biological advantage. That he is the "go to" person for her kids. Is she ready to face the reality at that time and say I am ok as to not being called the "best mom, wife or DIL". This not being the "perfect" woman as considered by society will be a big stain on her perfection image. Will she be able to accept it and say that is fine. And that for me is the theme of this season. The tracks are for Sonakshi to finally realize that there is not such thing as "perfect human" and one can be best at who they are. And for a person to be best, they need to compromise and accept that it might not be the "ideal" anything.

@Suyash, regarding Sonakshi absolving Dev of his guilt of not being in Sonakshi's life, what i mean is she is still letting him take complete responsibility of his absence. And from my pov, that is wrong. She shares the blame. So my expectation is that she apologizes for the part she played in Dev not being in Soha's life, admit to her mistake and make amends. She needs to tell him that he alone is not responsible for him not being in Soha's childhood.

I feel this track is especially targeted towards Sonakshi's unilateral decision regarding Suhana where she choose to not reveal the child's existence to him. She exercised her biological privilege at that time. She also got Dev to sign that document when he wanted to take her to IN. So what happens when Suhana and Shubh ignore her when she tries to come back to them after that project is over. What will be Sonakshi's reaction when Suhana considers her as just someone who gave birth to her, as Ms. Sonakshi Bose rather than her "mom". I feel Sonakshi will be then forced to prove that she is worthy of being called "mom" by Suhana. She will be in Dev's place like he was when Suhana called him Mr. Dixit instead of "papa". Will Sonakshi be ok and give tests like Dev to prove herself worthy of being called as "mom" by Suhana. Why should the baby call his/her mother as "mom, just because she gave birth to the child. Why shouldn't the "mom" prove that she should be called as "mom" by the child.
And that is where it all comes to. Is Sonakshi ready to accept her loss of biological advantage. And what will be her reaction to that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Coming to today's episode, I am not happy with the way Bijoy is being shown. He is shown to be happy with Dev's decision. But he is the same person who was very unhappy when his daughter tried to change herself like when she did vrat or any of those times. Why wasn't he supportive of Dev at that time or say that this is his first time, let's give him time. He will be able to do it. Why didn't he show the same kind of support and confidence in him at that time. He who is now ready to congratulate his SIL for the decision he took, questioned him earlier for all his decisions saying that they were biased and his daughter was losing. Is Bijoy not biased. He didn't like it before that Dev told a lie. But tomorrow what will be his reaction when he sees Dev lying to his daughter. My guess is he will give Dev chance saying this is his first time, something he didn't think before.
And that is why this track is very interesting for me. It is bringing forward all the hypocrisies and double standards of the Boses that have not been showcased openly will be dissected these season.
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Posted: 8 years ago

@Shaavi

And that is where it all comes to. Is Sonakshi ready to accept her loss of biological advantage. And what will be her reaction to that.



Suhana will never question her mom. Leave alone asking her to prove herself.Reasons...

Soha got used to Sonakshi going for work since her birth.

Soha treats Sonakshi as a perfect role model. The way both join their hands chanting the mantra perfect..just perfect... validates the point.Soha would not raise any question.

Soha's brought up is done in such a way that mostly she would not depend on anyone for her work.

Soha went to doctor on her own and handled herself. Did you remember how many times she apologised to Sonakshi?


So Sonakshi's biological advantage will remain intact.

Lakshmi
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Lakshmi, Soha might not directly question Sonakshi. But as Asha had once said that people around us act like mirrors and make us reflect, situations will arise which will bring up these questions. For ex -- in today's episode precap, Dev was not able to drop the kids within time and they were late. The next day he will drop them on time. The other kids will ask them why she didn't come yesterday. Soha will answer that it is because it was her papa who was getting them ready and bring them to school. Same things with appearances like making hair or lunch box or homework, anything. Previously in of the episodes Sonakshi gets a call from school that Soha got into fighting with other kids on the question of fathers. This is before Dev was introduced in Soha's life. Now too chances are Soha will be made fun of, saying that your father is staying home. Soha who wants to defend her parents will talk on their behalf leading to altercations. When the reasons come out, Sonakshi has to face that public censure.
What I have mentioned is one situation. But there will be many such times when she will be questioned on their decision. Sonakshi is someone who likes an impeccable public image. But that is the one which will be made fun of(sort of), called names and looked down upon all of which are not "ideal consequences". My question is, is Sonakshi ready to face the world and defend their decision and support Dev.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sjain

How overwhelmed I get with episodes is insane

No words to express how I feel and enjoy and smile get happy <3

The subtlety and softness of this show is everything..They dont force you to accept anything but they give you reason to think understand and feel

They are not giving any social message but they are raising some amusing questions..Generations and generations have followed this "so called" rule..because we are made to believe this is right and sadly still in this era we dont want to even see other perspective..accepting is toh out of question

I am a proud and happy viewer who can confidently flaunt of what I watch

I am more thankful to makers to creatives for coming up with something like this..Shaheer for being so convincing as Dev..Erica so wonderful as Sonakshi <3

Every episode is memorable and I can atleast watch it in loop
A proud Dev lover <3 I am

No offense My POV



@sjain I completely agree with you... I don't know why but whenever Devakshi is present on the screen, I have a smile on my face..

Yesterday, it was Dev who was supporting Sona and today, it was Sona... What they are doing is unconventional but I am loving the way, both of them are working as true life partners...

Can't wait for Monday and see how both of them deal with the first hurdle..
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Coming to today's episode, I am not happy with the way Bijoy is being shown. He is shown to be happy with Dev's decision. But he is the same person who was very unhappy when his daughter tried to change herself like when she did vrat or any of those times. Why wasn't he supportive of Dev at that time or say that this is his first time, let's give him time. He will be able to do it. Why didn't he show the same kind of support and confidence in him at that time. He who is now ready to congratulate his SIL for the decision he took, questioned him earlier for all his decisions saying that they were biased and his daughter was losing. Is Bijoy not biased. He didn't like it before that Dev told a lie. But tomorrow what will be his reaction when he sees Dev lying to his daughter. My guess is he will give Dev chance saying this is his first time, something he didn't think before.

And that is why this track is very interesting for me. It is bringing forward all the hypocrisies and double standards of the Boses that have not been showcased openly will be dissected these season.



@SHAAVI To be honest I was not surprised with the way Bijoy was shown today, in fact I had expected him to react exactly the same way he did today. Many might not agree with me but right from the start Bijoy has been shown as someone for whom Sonakshi, her dreams & happiness is the most important so much so that it did not stop him from differentiating between his own kids. For Bijoy as long as Sonakshi's happiness is not compromised upon he is happy but the minute he sees that It is been compromised he goes ballistic & starts blaming people. If I remember correctly even during the time Sonakshi kept vrat, Dev never forced her it was Sonakshi's decision to keep it yet he lost no time in blaming Dev for that and there has been quite a few instances when he has done that.
Even in the current scenario he is seeing that It is not necessary for Sonakshi to compromise as that has been done by Dev, so it is natural that he will support Dev as in it lies the happiness of Sonakshi. Interesting thing is today Bijoy is supporting Dev which is absolutely fine for me but where was this support when Saurabh had started his undergarment business, why was he so against it then. Will he be give the same support if tomorrow Dev decides that he will go back to work and expect Sonakshi to compromise a bit for taking care of the kids, I do not think so. Will he give the same support if tomorrow Saurabh says that he will be a house husband and want Sonakshi to take care of the whole business while Dev also would want to resume working. I sometimes really feel bad for Saurabh as he never got the support from Bijoy which Sonakshi got.
I do not know whether they will show any of the double standards or hypocrisy of the boses will be shown or not but I for one am not at all surprised by the reaction of the Boses in the current scenario.

Just my POV, no offence.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Shaavi, I finally get what you are saying and the concluding idea, whether or not Sonakshi would be able to live with the "perfectionist" standards set by "society" or be a "perfectionist" by having a work and personal life in eyes of those close to her?
That is a good question that I can stay for. The idea of "perfectionism" is subjective from community to community and what's Sonakshi's subjective is going to be a good struggle for her to come out from.

Also Shaavi, your term of using "biological privilege" is not what you are using it as. Biological privilege is a relationship shared between biological parents and their children and those who are adopted or fostered are deprived of that privilege.

I think you are trying to reference the idea that being a mother universally means being your child's go-to parent however Sonakshi would lose out on being to go-to parent by splitting her time professionally and personally. Mostly it will be little things like what happened in school or a routine moment but I understand your perspective on how Sonakshi would be able to reconcile with that.

I would still say that the makers are blurring lines overwhere in the writing and execution.

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