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Posted: 8 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen


Quick question... What in your views are the traits of BD(Bijoy's daughter)? I think this is where the discussion is going haywire. and while we are at it.. thanks to tonight's lovely(not!) episode, what are the traits of ID(Ishwari's Dev) and IB (Ishwari's bahu)?


Is your question directed at me??
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harryfan011


Is your question directed at me??


sure Suyash.. might help with the discussion (because from where I am looking, Sonakshi has started balancing quite well... tipping the balance a bit too badly tonight!😕)
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First and foremost, I know that I shouldn't say this, considering this is one of the last episodes... But, I still can't digest today's episode...

It brought back too many bad memories from the infertility track... Today, I felt that I was seeing the Ishwari of the first season...

Probably, the only thing that I liked in today's episode was related to the scenes between Dev and his sisters (even with Elena)...

After seeing yesterday's episode, I felt that Ishwari would probably try to convince Sona to tell the truth to Dev or something, but definitely not what I witnessed today...

I absolutely hated her for her coldness towards Sona and the tone of her voice when she was talking about Nikki's birth... It felt like she was indirectly scolding Sonakshi for even thinking about terminating the pregnancy, which might finally fulfil her wish of having a grandchild (most preferably, a grandson... Coming to this point later)...

Like her stunt of going to the temple and not coming back to IN (after she came to know that Sonakshi might never become a mother in season 1), until and unless, Sona promised to undergo the treatments...

In my last 1-2 posts, I have mentioned how the experiences that Sonakshi has undergone during the infertility phase, has created an image in her head where she feels that the baby is more important than her own self...

Infertility track was the first time, when Sonakshi questioned her own self and felt like she was not good enough... And, with this track and especially after seeing Ishwari's behaviour towards her, that feelings must have come back to haunt her with full vengeance...

In some ways, in Ishwari's excitement to become a grandmother, she has forgotten about Sonakshi and her only concern is the baby... The worst part of the matter is that in the hopes of seeing her dream come true, she is completely turning a blind eye to the matter of the complications present in the pregnancy...

Like last time, she is once again making Sona's pregnancy about herself... But, unfortunately, like Soha was misguided by Golu, Sonakshi is also being misguided by Ishwari...

While I could understand the reasons why Soha was led astray by Golu, I am still disappointed by Sona's decision to play this stupid game of 'guess-i-am-pregnant' with Dev.. I desperately hoped for Sona to reveal the complete truth to Dev, in today's episode...

And, Ishwari peeking into the bedroom just gave me the creeps... I simply can't understand why Ishwari is unable to understand that the pregnancy is a very special journey for the unborn child's parents and something that should remain just between the two of them...

And, I am even more baffled on why Sona is allowing Ishwari to interfere into something which was just supposed to remain between her and Dev??

And, the only ray of hope that I see in this time, is Dev... For him, Sonakshi is more important and special than anything else... He is the only one who could finally correct the wrongs that is happening at the current moment...

The only good thing is that Ishwari is genuinely been changed and I am sure that once Dev makes her realize her mistakes, she will correct them...

I seriously pray that Dev comes to know the full truth (most likely, tomorrow itself) and make Sonakshi realize her own significance and that she means the world to him... Only he has the ability to make him realize that she is perfect to him and she doesn't need to put herself at risk, just to fulfil his or Ishwari's desire (or anyone's desires)...

My most hated dialogue of today's episode, was Ishwari's exclamation that Soha is tying Rakhi to her unborn baby brother...

In my opinion, this is just so regressive and negative... Baby is a very special blessing, irrespective of the gender... And, people's opinion especially the older generation that having a boy is more auspiciousness or a family is not complete, until a boy is born...

If the makers are trying to touch this subject, kudos to them... But, I am fuming after seeing today's episode and furious at Ishwari's behaviour... I hope that soon Dev (or for that matter, anybody else) shows her the mirror and tells her how wrong she is...

Now, coming to the answers of the questions posed by @DQ...

I don't know about others... But, in my opinion, both Sonakshi Dixit and Bijoy's Daughter are a part of Sonakshi's identity... It is impossible for Sonakshi to either exclusively remain SD or BD... And, this is why, we see her swinging between the two extremes...

In my opinion, BD is that particular shade of Sona's identity for whom her responsibility towards the Boses' well-being (in this case, financial) and how her family (especially, Bijoy) feels about her really matters more than her own happiness and her own desires...

According to BD, her happiness completely lies in the happiness of the Bose family...

On the other hand, SD is someone who has a strong sense of right & wrong... She is someone for whom her identity truly matters and has supreme confidence in her own abilities... And, she knows where her happiness lies and strives to achieve it...

For her, the most important thing is Dev and Soha's happiness and how she is able to bring smile on their own faces.. She is the one who dreams of living and enjoying her life with her family...

When I say, Sonakshi needs to allow SD to come into the forefront, I don't mean that she should stop caring about Boses' or throw BD out... But, what I simply wish to convey is, that Sonakshi starts to take decisions which brings her happiness, instead of only catering to the needs and expectations of others (whether it's the Boses or the Trixits).

And, in my opinion, Ishwari's Dev is nearly identical to BD except that instead of catering the Boses, his responsibility was towards fulfilling every desire and expectation of Ishwari as well as the Trixits and not caring about his own happiness...

We have already seen ample of evidence of ID in the first season and BD in the second season...

And, as for Ishwari's bahu... In my opinion, it is probably the most weakest/submissive part of Sonakshi's various shades.. Ishwari's bahu is the version that the old version of Ishwari always wanted in her son's wife... But, IB, can never be the Sonakshi that Dev fell in love with or be woman that Soha aspires to be...

For IB, pleasing Ishwari is the single most important thing, even it means changing her own fundamental self... We have witnessed this shade of Sona during the marriage phase (and, even today, to a certain extent.)

I hope that I am able to clear some of the doubts... But, this is my interpretation.

I just wish that some absolutely great episodes are waiting for us just around the corner... And, tomorrow's episode (17th August) will be able to bring back our smiles that was taken away from us after watching today's episode (16th August).

-Suyash.

P.S: And, why did I feel that today's episode was shorter than the previous ones??

Edited by Harryfan011 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Today the person I felt genuinely sorry for is "maami". I am not saying that what she or Vickky did was ok or any such thing. But I felt really sorry for mothers like her. Who think the world of their son. For whom their son is the "perfect child" in the whole wide world. Who measure their success or failure through the success or failure of their child. And maami is a classic example of such a mother from my perspective.

Since yesterday when she revealed that Vickky has become a businessman(irrespective of how he became), she has been wanting the people around her to talk about him and express their happiness on him becoming one. She wants them to say that it is all a result of her efforts that today her son is successful. That she was not wrong to ever lose belief in her son. That she was right about Vickky being no lesser than Dev. She wanted Ishwari to acknowledge her like how maamaji acknowledges Ishwari. She wanted Dev to accept that Vickky had always had it in him and was his equal. She also wanted him to admit of having wronged Vickky and of having thought of him as useless. She wants everyone around her to praise both her and Vickky. She keeps trying to channel the talks towards him, but unfortunately fails to create that interest that she wants them to show in hearing her talk about him.

She for once wants them to talk positively about Vickky and not negatively. She wants Vickky to be the center of attention and talk of the town. It is the same with Vickky. He truly believes that now he is equal to Dev. Which showed in his words today when he said I will come there for the sisters to tie rakhi to him and Golu. And that he will send them the gifts. He wants to be called the "giver" just like Dev. He is expecting the limelight to be on him this time and for others to ask him how he achieved his success of opening a business and finding investors for that.

Today is the first time I felt bad for maami. And I want to applaud Alkaji for emoting maami's wistfulness to perfection.

This is just a feeling. If Vickky comes to IN as he said he would and finds that no one is really interested in "his big news" cause the limelight has already been taken by Dev as before, will he be able to hide his disappointment. Just wondering.
Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Today's episode disappointed me ... Since the show was nearing it's end, I think v r expecting a lot but yeahh can understand the lack of time n sudden changes in the script , unavailability of actors etc but wat to do ? This show still holds a special place in our hearts that v r expecting the best from this, always.

Sonakshi did talked with Ishwari bout the complications she might hav during this pregnancy. But wat on earth is prohibiting her to reveal the same to Dev. Dev is nt the faint hearted one anymore . He shud know the truth , @ least the news of the pregnancy , that tooo straight from his wife , nt like this , in front of his whole family or in bet some functions , it's jst nt DONE. It's injustice done nt only to Dev but also to the loyal viewers too. V jst missed those expressive acting by Shaheer. He 's too good in emoting those emotional scenes. 🤔

Wat was Ishwari doing , referring Nicky's premature birth ? Giving strength to Sonakshi or emotional athyachar on her ?? I felt the latter . She was actually forcing Sonakshi to continue with her " the said to b complicated pregnancy . I still cudn understand y Sonakshi is talking bout all these to Ishwari ? Alright , fine but Dev ?? I too thought that this show is relatable but I'm afraid bout that now ? Another thing I want to point out is during Ishwari's time , surely there won't b scanning n all other technological equipments n advantages so she hadn't gone thru those mental stress n all , obviously. After delivery only, it was understood that baby was born prematurely . So the scenario is different hre. Sonakshi need to continue with this knowing the complications but Ishwari underwent her pregnancy period in ignorance of the complications. Huge difference !

Dev-Sona bedroom scene with Ishwari outside ..*facepalm* . How on earth did the writers think of such a scene ?? It shud b a very PRIVATE moment even if she was giving him hints only. I felt that scene really awkward . So wat was Ishwari expecting ? She too want to c the happy face of her son after knowing bout this ?? She too want to witness the love Dev shower on Sonakshi after knowing this ?? The hug, the kiss n even a lift ...I jst can't even think of that .. I donno , may b I'm thinking like a typical bahu ! If anyone gets offended, that's u'r problem , nt mine..Btw, I was joking . Jst for u'r information Cvs, two is company, three s a crowd !

Scrabble game ...another facepalm moment. Dev is nt that dumb. I cudn find the logic( I know, the word has no meaning in serial world ) in making Dev this much dumb. Y cudn Sonakshi say the good news straight to Dev unlike beating around the bush. It's bl**dy well nt a crime , it's a beautiful feeling n Dev shud know that from his betterhalf bcoz these two r solely responsible for this , nt any 3rd person. Is this bcoz of the lack of time or unavailability of the actors or sudden changes made in script ? Watever b the reason, such a marvellous scene ka abortion kar daala . Shaheer wud've excelled in those scenes . I'm this much frustrated bcoz v missed such a mind blowing scene enacted by Shaheer. Hadd hai yaar ..

Mamijii n binness son ! I didn felt anything for Mamiji bcoz she s still standing on all her wrong doings even if she turned to b a positive character . Genuine transformation is only possible for her wen she accepts her mistakes n wrong doings. Maafi bhi shayad tab milegi . So until then , mamiji's proud bout her son's success , that too @ the cost of Dev Dixit , won't hav any effect on me as a viewer .

Rakhee scenes. Beautifully captured with that BGM. " Pyar me lipte kitne rang mile... " .Good to c the Dixit sisters bak. Bose family too came for the celebration . A proud Bijoy acknowledging his son's effort n Sonakshi s silent approval of that to Dada. Good to c those lovely moments. PDA of Son-wari ! V r expecting PDA of Devakshi but getting everything but that. 🤪

Ishwari made Soha to tie rakhee on Sonakshi bcoz Sona is carrying a baby boy. Sorry , I didn know that Ishwari has got super powers. Baapre !! She is a living scanner . She easily identified the gender of a may-b- a month or 2 wk old baby . Is n't that amazing ?? Or did the dr said to Sonakshi bout the gender of the baby? I donno if I missed something. Actually I'm against knowing the genders but baby shud b healthy. Boy or girl , farq nahi padna chahiye . Bas !

I really liked the expression of Dev after hearing the reason for Soha tying rakhee on Sonakshi . Hey my God ! Yeh kab huwa ? There was a Shimla in season 1 but this season , movie watching , discussion on hair fall n tummy , then mornings with temple alarm . 😆

Well, hopefully waiting for some amazing scenes from our expression king Shaheer in the coming episodes .Erica looked absolutely stunning as always . So re the kids ...

Edited by aarcha - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@aarcha, the scrabble game was supposed to be parallel to the dumb charades game they played in season 1. Where Sonakshi figures out the movie as Titanic even though no one else is able to figure it out. Where she completes his actions with adding hers when she takes his hands and gives that iconic pose. 😉 . It was to say that Sonakshi was able to understand him, but Dev has not reached that point. Where "bina bole samaj jaana". Where he completes her.

This is makers way of saying that Dev is still not proficient in understanding women. That although he said he is a difficult man to deal with, it is women who are complicated. That they want their dreams and feelings understood without having to spell it out. That women show what is on their mind through actions more than words.

Just my pov.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Shaavi , I understand that but itna dumb ho sakta hai Dev Dixit , muche nahi pata dhi 😆 In that bed room scene too Sona was hinting terms related to pregnancy , then continuation scene was this scrabble one .. So many preg related words but still our budhu .. No wonder Sona calls him Budhuram 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: aarcha

@ Shaavi , I understand that but itna dumb ho sakta hai Dev Dixit , muche nahi pata dhi😆 In that bed room scene too Sona was hinting terms related to pregnancy , then continuation scene was this scrabble one .. So many preg related words but still our budhu .. No wonder Sona calls him Budhuram😆



Aarcha, it is more to do with his belief than being dumb. It was him who had initially received the reports of her decreased chances of getting pregnant. For him Suhana is a miracle. And for him having one miracle itself is an amazing thing. So he is not thinking that God can be so generous that he has given him a second one. Also it is not like they had talked about having more kids. The last thing that was running on his mind at this time was second child or the possibility of Sonakshi being pregnant.

From my pov, the easiest and simplest approach would have been better. Instead of talking about if she was looking fat or pregnant, she could have told him that she needs to tell him something very important. And then tell it directly. And then tell him the truth about the complications. There was no need to go in the round about way that she did or even Ishwari did. Also Ishwari should have made 2 rakhi s and asked Aarohi to tie one to Sonakshi too.

This is just my pov. Not intended to hurt anyone.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi



Aarcha, it is more to do with his belief than being dumb. It was him who had initially received the reports of her decreased chances of getting pregnant. For him Suhana is a miracle. And for him having one miracle itself is an amazing thing. So he is not thinking that God can be so generous that he has given him a second one. Also it is not like they had talked about having more kids. The last thing that was running on his mind at this time was second child or the possibility of Sonakshi being pregnant.

From my pov, the easiest and simplest approach would have been better. Instead of talking about if she was looking fat or pregnant, she could have told him that she needs to tell him something very important. And then tell it directly. And then tell him the truth about the complications. There was no need to go in the round about way that she did or even Ishwari did. Also Ishwari should have made 2 rakhi s and asked Aarohi to tie one to Sonakshi too.

This is just my pov. Not intended to hurt anyone.


Might b that only 7 % possibility still rules his mind though Soha 's with him. But even if he didn acknowledge the fact bout Sona being pregnant but by hearing these simple terms related to pregnancy cudn get registered on him was somewat confusing me . Even our cutie pie Golu hears the same , he wud've understood better than his Bigcha that his Bigchi is carrying a baby. See, kids r quite uptodate these days . 😳 Dev did mention Sona once that had he been able to read people's minds, he wud've read Sona's mind first , then the separation wud n've hapnd , she might 've madly in luv with him n they might've a lots of kids .

I'm also agreeing with u in that Sona cud've told Dev this directly. No beating around the bush. Another disappointment was Ishwari's interferrence. The husband -wife duo shud handle this , nt a 3rd person , even if that person is their mom.

Aarohi tying rakhee ...missed that point due to hurry burry , i think. It shud've included too bcoz yet to b born baby's Aarohi's lil bro too. Btw, any clarification on baby being boy ?? 😕

Edited by aarcha - 8 years ago
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Aarcha, there is a known pregnant lady in the house. 😆 . Ronita. Just the night before Suhana was talking about Ronita's baby. And whatever words Sonakshi made can all be related to that. Also Dev was shown to be busy in work. He was shown to be distracted while playing and immediately after saying he has work to complete. Sometimes when there are other things occupying your mind, chances are you will be like Dev, the budduram. 😆


Not trying to say that Dev shouldn't have got the clues. But am not understanding why Sonakshi or Ishwari have most of the time been shown to beat around the bush and not say anything directly.

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