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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

The current track of Dev and Sonakshi is a parallel to 2 different tracks from season 1 -- the initial Sonakshi's job track where he kind of pushed her to accept his job offer and the track where Ishwari started the chula drama to get Dev to reveal his relationship with Sonakshi, while at the same time Sonakshi too wanted Dev to reveal their relationship.

In the job track, Dev first goes to Sonakshi's office to get her to accept his job offer by saying I will give you more money. Now Dev first told her don't go without telling me immediately after the bus incident. Sonakshi didn't accept his job offer so he got her fired. Now Sonakshi didn't listen so he installed the tracker app. After getting her fired he again offered her the job, Now when she didn't tell where her meeting is followed her there. Then he found her home address and went there and offered her job. Now he went through her files and asked his pa to set up all her meetings at home. Going by that track from season 1 after her 3rd refusal, Saurabh shows her a different perspective and she let him know that she has accepted his job offer and comes to IN. And my guess is this is exactly what will happen. Right now I am debating if that person who shows her the other side of the coin is Asha or Ishwari.

In the chula drama track leading to Dev telling Ishwari about his love for Sonakshi, he wanted to keep his two worlds different. He wanted to enjoy both his worlds without having to feel guilty. And this is exactly what Sonakshi is doing now. In the earlier analysis threads, Sonakshi was referred as BD -- Bijoy's daughter, Sonakshi and SM -- Soha's mom. Now there is a slight change in these names. Now it is BD -- Bijoy's daughter./professional life, SD -- Sonakshi Dixit/personal life.. The other two roles are fused to SM. When she went and proposed to him after his engagement was cancelled, SD was prominent in her. But as soon as she came home, she became BD. On hearing that the Dixit sisters are angry with Dev and he also has cut himself from them, BD's morality hurt. As we know she has that high sense of morality and she doesn't want any stain on herself from that perspective. She felt responsible for the strain and decided to correct it. It was BD who decided to come back to IN. But SD was also happy about being with Dev and basking in his love. It was BD who decided to go to the meeting alone that night, but SD called Dev for help. But BD was in a state of high having attained the new investment. The very next morning it was BD who was in complete control of SD.

It was SD who broke down, held Vickky's collar, slapped and questioned him. But when he started about how her relationship with Dev had become hollow and how they were fighting with each other, BD took back the control. When Elena first talked about telling Dev regarding it, SD wanted to, but when she saw the family in the garden, BD again took over. It was BD who decided to forgive him and hide the truth. As I mentioned in my post BD = victim and survivor, SD = author of all the miseries of Bose and Dixit family. If she stays as BD, then she can paint herself as the hero and doesn't need to feel guilty about anything, about any of her failures and ego. But if she becomes SD, then she will have to admit her faults. Admitting that she is the culprit, the "gunhegaar" of Dev and Soha, terrifies her. She saw what Dev did with Vickky and fears that she will meet the same fate if she tells him the truth. SD does love Dev very much and doesn't want to ever be separated from him. She is petrified of Dev's anger.

SD also knows that after admitting the truth to Dev, will also have to admit the same to Bose family. Let them know that Dev is not their culprit, but her ego was the reason for all their humiliation and suffering. She knows that Bijoy will be extremely disappointed if he gets to know the truth. And that is another thing she is not able to tolerate. Last but not least, SD will also have to take complete moral and ethical responsibility of hiding Soha's pregnancy and birth to Soha and absolve Dev of the guilt. She fears that Suhana might not love her anymore if this happens. That she might not forgive her. All this time she has enjoyed being that "perfect mother" for her, and is scared that Soha may hate her for what she did. All these fears is making BD push SD to one corner of her mind and body and act as if nothing has happened. Sonakshi Bose is not obligated to tell anything to Dev, but Mrs. Dixit needs to do so. Hence she wants to keep both these identities separate. This will give her an opportunity wherein she doesn't have to take any responsibility for the consequences of the last 7 years. She can continue to paint herself as the hero and be what she currently is in everyone's eyes.

Conversely what Dev is doing is pushing SD to come to the forefront. In season 1, he let her off the hook and didn't really tell her to take responsibility for her actions or decisions. But now he is forcing her to do that. He is telling her, I was about to leave and go far away from your life. Then you could have led it as you wanted to encumbered. But you chose to follow me and propose to me. When the topic of remarriage with each other came up, I told you that we should take our time. But you chose to come back to IN as Mrs. Sonakshi Dixit. You took both these decisions by yourself, I didn't force you. So take responsibility for the decisions you made. Now that you did choose to be Mrs. Sonakshi Dev Dixit, fulfill your duties completely and wholeheartedly.

I think what the makers are doing is also tying what she is doing now to the conversation Dev and Sonakshi had when she came to return the check of 4.5 cr. In that when he comments about her not knowing anything about business and she replying is it because I am not you. And kind of challenges that what he has achieved she will too and prove that she is equal to him. She also asks if he thinks that she cannot do it because she is not "Ishwari's son". He tries to make her understand but she storms out of there.

Similar to job track where he closed all her other doors, here too he is closing off all her escape routes. He knows her very well and he is using that against her, in his own way. Both SD and BD know this. She also knows that she will not get any real support if she tells the real truth behind Dev's actions. Like in today's episode Ishwari gave her that advise without really pointing fingers at her. I am talking about her saying that when Dev takes a decision, he takes it after thinking through. And Sonakshi understood what Ishwari was saying. She is getting cornered by him, where her only way out is the acceptance of truth. And it will be towards the end of next week. Even if on 4th, Sonakshi is not shown to admit the truth in front of Dev, it will be shown on 7th. But at least her realization by herself will be shown on 4th. Aug 7th will air the 375th episode and usually the makers have shown something special every 75 episodes. So I am trusting the makers 😃

Dear I am agree with you that it was sona's mistake that she trusted vickki over dev and bose family trusted vickki over dev but I am having only one small question is dev was not at fault. Is ishu mata not at fault. In your house your so called relative do such ploatting and you are unaware about is not your fault. I know sona had her own share of mistakes but dev and ishu also.had their share. That what I feel. I agree with your thory which you have put but for this complex structure of sona is she only responsible. Rest of the characters had not their share. Some time I feel your post one sided.But i love your writing. Sorry if I had hurt you but what I feel I have put.And I really hope accoding to you predication sona should express her feelings because it is important for her as a person.
Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Asha: Dev is not asking Sona to become a housewife; he wants her to work from home. In fact, when she was at risk of going the housewife way, it was Dev who wanted her to go back to work. As he said yesterday, he is very happy about her success and wants her to reach new heights in her career. That doesn't absolve him of his current behaviour, but I think calling him a chauvinist misses the actual issue at play -- the fact that Dev, experiencing one sense of betrayal after another, is trying to retain some semblance of control in the midst of it all, and is losing control of his psycholgocal stability as a result

I don't think anyone is saying that Sona needs to dance to Dev's tunes, but the degree of proactive adjustment and compliance that I have seen from Dev in S2, I am yet to see from Sona's side. If she had been more willing to listen to him early on after the bus incident, I doubt his behaviour would have gotten this out of control. It's the repeated sadmas, without respite, that are pushing him to the brink. This is how messed up Dev is, and it's a reality that Sona has to contend with if she wants to be in a relationship with him. Because of past trauma, he overreacts to seemingly inconsequent incedents. Does she want to get her hands dirty, and deal with this complex emotional situation in a productive way, or just take comfort in the fact that he is wrong and she is right?

That is the question that she needs to ask herself. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
Timba, In my earlier posts I have analyzed and discussed and dissected Dev and Ishwari's faults and flaws. I don't know if you read them or not. But I don't consider them perfect nor stop from calling them out. But both Dev and Ishwari have realized their mistakes and even apologized for that. But the same is not seen either from Sonakshi or the Boses. The breakup what happened in the farmhouse was not just Dev or Ishwari's fault, Sonakshi and Boses were equally responsible for it.

All I am saying is if Dev and Dixits can own their mistakes and correct them, then the same thing needs to happen from Sonakshi and the Boses. From my perspective they do not get a free pass from everything they have done or what Sonakshi is doing now. The responsibility of any relationship should not be one sided. Sonakshi and Bijoy are both hypocrites. They both love to preach, but they never follow the same. Sonakshi wants to be part of Dev's decision making process, but is not ready to include him in hers. She wants him to change as per her ideas and ideals, but he is not supposed to ask her to do the same. What applies for one should apply for the other too. If Dev is supposed to fulfill the responsibilities of a husband and father, then she has to fulfill the duties of a wife and a mother. She cannot ask him to be husband without being his wife or ask him to be a father before being the mother.

My post was more pointed towards showing her reasons behind her choosing not be wife or mother first as right now it doesn't suit her purpose. She has always changed the rules to suit herself and always wants to prove to herself that she is right. But that is wrong from my perspective. If she expects all these things from Dev, then she needs to apply the same rules to herself and introspect. And that is what I am calling out. I am not saying that what Dev and Ishwari have done or what Dev is doing now is right. But with my post I am just penning down my perspective of the current track and character behavior that's all. Mentioning this is not really about not mentioning the other thing.
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Posted: 8 years ago
I'd like to mention a few things here. I hated Dev during the infertility track and on a few occasions post leap for his insensitivity. There were a few occasions where Dev mocked Sona's start up and her success and while that really infuriated me, I was always sure it stemmed from a sense of bitterness that she left him and is evidently happy without him. Cos like I said, Dev may be a lot of things but he was never someone who grudged Sona's success. Let's consider a few things here-
1. Dev mentioned a million times pre leap that he was proud of Sona. He used to go on and on about how she was the best nutritionist in town and repeatedly mentioned this fact to everyone from Tina to Natasha.
2. Am yet to see Dev ever look down upon Sona for the financial divide between them. I don't think he has ever considered that issue which is why he never got why Sona had an inferiority complex which made it easier for ppl like mami to take advantage of the situation.
3. Sona never shared the fact that she was going to start a business with Sourav. It was kept a secret from everyone and Dev found out from other means and helped Sourav. But my point is Dev never questioned her about it or made an issue out of his wife hiding something as significant as setting up her own business.
4. When Sona got embroiled into kitchen politics post their marriage, Dev immediately told her to chuck all this and focus on her own career and work.
5. When Dev was living with Sona's family, she was busy with her work while Dev used to do household chores and help Asha in the kitchen. I never saw him make a big deal out of it.
6. Even yesterday, he told Sona her career is more important to him and he really wants her to be successful in life. I'd like to believe he meant every word of that.
7. He has always encouraged his sisters to work and even when it came to helping that Mala's family in the Khatri track, he gave the girl a job instead of money. Also Dev has always encouraged Elena to pursue her career.

Point of my rant. Dev is not a chauvinist. He doesn't want women to sit at home and take care of kids. He is crazy. He is suffocating his wife. He wants to micro manage her life and dictate how she works and is ignoring the fact that she is extremely uncomfortable with this. Because he has lost his head and the fear of losing Sonakshi is overpowering his logical and rational side. He needs counseling. He is increasingly displaying signs of PTSD and abandonment issues. This has everything to do with his childhood trauma, the way he was brought up by Ishwari and his own past with Sona and very little to do with woman empowerment and financial independence. This is exactly why I'd like to see Sona display more compassion and understanding. I know it's frustrating but am assuming we can do that for the one we love? And Sona was always a large hearted and compassionate individual. It ain't a tough ask for her. If she can forgive him for randomly breaking up with her just because his mom is sick, if she can forgive him for the insensitivity he displayed in the infertility track, this is nothing in comparison (let me also add that she forgave even Vicky and mami at the drop of a hat). Hell the guy is actually suffering from mental issues. Why can't we expect a Sona who understands that he is abnormal and take the necessary steps? That's all I want from this track. Not condoning Dev or defending his behavior in anyway. In fact I don't think it even needs defence cos it's obvious for everyone that he is abnormal and disturbed. What is open for interpretation and debate is Sona's reaction (or rather lack of) to it. I guess I will end my rant with this 😆
Edited by astrix90 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Asha: Dev is not asking Sona to become a housewife; he wants her to work from home. In fact, when she was at risk of going the housewife way, it was Dev who wanted her to go back to work. As he said yesterday, he is very happy about her success and wants her to reach new heights in her career. That doesn't absolve him of his current behaviour, but I think calling him a chauvinist misses the actual issue at play -- the fact that Dev, experiencing one sense of betrayal after another, is trying to retain some semblance of control in the midst of it all, and is losing control of his psycholgocal stability as a result


Is Sonakshi aware of this?She is not a psycologist.

I don't think anyone is saying that Sona needs to dance to Dev's tunes, but the degree of proactive adjustment and compliance that I have seen from Dev in S2, I am yet to see from Sona's side. If she had been more willing to listen to him early on after the bus incident, I doubt his behaviour would have gotten this out of control. It's the repeated sadmas, without respite, that are pushing him to the brink. This is how messed up Dev is, and it's a reality that Sona has to contend with if she wants to be in a relationship with him. Because of past trauma, he overreacts to seemingly inconsequent incedents. Does she want to get her hands dirty, and deal with this complex emotional situation in a productive way, or just take comfort in the fact that he is wrong and she is right?

How is Sonakshi supposed to know that Dev's current behavior is because of past trauma?Sonakshi did understand his fear of loosing her but how is she supposed to know that it is that deep-rooted?

She can help him only if she understands that,right?Is it that easy to understand?

That is the question that she needs to ask herself. 😊

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: astrix90

I'd like to mention a few things here. I hated Dev during the infertility track and on a few occasions post leap for his insensitivity. There were a few occasions where Dev mocked Sona's start up and her success and while that really infuriated me, I was always sure it stemmed from a sense of bitterness that she left him and is evidently happy without him. Cos like I said, Dev may be a lot of things but he was never someone who grudged Sona's success. Let's consider a few things here-

1. Dev mentioned a million times pre leap that he was proud of Sona. He used to go on and on about how she was the best nutritionist in town and repeatedly mentioned this fact to everyone from Tina to Natasha.
2. Am yet to see Dev ever look down upon Sona for the financial divide between them. I don't think he has ever considered that issue which is why he never got why Sona had an inferiority complex which made it easier for ppl like mami to take advantage of the situation.
3. Sona never shared the fact that she was going to start a business with Sourav. It was kept a secret from everyone and Dev found out from other means and helped Sourav. But my point is Dev never questioned her about it or made an issue out of his wife hiding something as significant as setting up her own business.
4. When Sona got embroiled into kitchen politics post their marriage, Dev immediately told her to chuck all this and focus on her own career and work.
5. When Dev was living with Sona's family, she was busy with her work while Dev used to do household chores and help Asha in the kitchen. I never saw him make a big deal out of it.
6. Even yesterday, he told Sona her career is more important to him and he really wants her to be successful in life. I'd like to believe he meant every word of that.
7. He has always encouraged his sisters to work and even when it came to helping that Mala's family in the Khatri track, he gave the girl a job instead of money. Also Dev has always encouraged Elena to pursue her career.

Point of my rant. Dev is not a chauvinist. He doesn't want women to sit at home and take care of kids. He is crazy. He is suffocating his wife. He wants to micro manage her life and dictate how she works and is ignoring the fact that she is extremely uncomfortable with this. Because he has lost his head and the fear of losing Sonakshi is overpowering his logical and rational side. He needs counseling. He is increasingly displaying signs of PTSD and abandonment issues. This has everything to do with his childhood trauma, the way he was brought up by Ishwari and his own past with Sona and very little to do with woman empowerment and financial independence. This is exactly why I'd like to see Sona display more compassion and understanding. I know it's frustrating but am assuming we can do that for the one we love? And Sona was always a large hearted and compassionate individual. It ain't a tough ask for her. If she can forgive him for randomly breaking up with her just because his mom is sick, if she can forgive him for the insensitivity he displayed in the infertility track, this is nothing in comparison (let me also add that she forgave even Vicky and mami at the drop of a hat). Hell the guy is actually suffering from mental issues. Why can't we expect a Sona who understands that he is abnormal and take the necessary steps? That's all I want from this track. Not condoning Dev or defending his behavior in anyway. In fact I don't think it even needs defence cos it's obvious for everyone that he is abnormal and disturbed. What is open for interpretation and debate is Sona's reaction (or rather lack of) to it. I guess I will end my rant with this 😆

Sonakshi is understanding that Dev's behavior is abnormal but she is clearly ignoring that because at the end of the day.. is it that easy to accept this?Is it that easy to accept that your husband might be suffering from mental issues?I am sure Sonakshi would not even want to think in that direction.

I am sure Sonakshi would be very understanding and compassionate and help him out with it but first she needs to accept that.


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Timba, In my earlier posts I have analyzed and discussed and dissected Dev and Ishwari's faults and flaws. I don't know if you read them or not. But I don't consider them perfect nor stop from calling them out. But both Dev and Ishwari have realized their mistakes and even apologized for that. But the same is not seen either from Sonakshi or the Boses. The breakup what happened in the farmhouse was not just Dev or Ishwari's fault, Sonakshi and Boses were equally responsible for it.

All I am saying is if Dev and Dixits can own their mistakes and correct them, then the same thing needs to happen from Sonakshi and the Boses. From my perspective they do not get a free pass from everything they have done or what Sonakshi is doing now. The responsibility of any relationship should not be one sided. Sonakshi and Bijoy are both hypocrites. They both love to preach, but they never follow the same. Sonakshi wants to be part of Dev's decision making process, but is not ready to include him in hers. She wants him to change as per her ideas and ideals, but he is not supposed to ask her to do the same. What applies for one should apply for the other too. If Dev is supposed to fulfill the responsibilities of a husband and father, then she has to fulfill the duties of a wife and a mother. She cannot ask him to be husband without being his wife or ask him to be a father before being the mother.

My post was more pointed towards showing her reasons behind her choosing not be wife or mother first as right now it doesn't suit her purpose. She has always changed the rules to suit herself and always wants to prove to herself that she is right. But that is wrong from my perspective. If she expects all these things from Dev, then she needs to apply the same rules to herself and introspect. And that is what I am calling out. I am not saying that what Dev and Ishwari have done or what Dev is doing now is right. But with my post I am just penning down my perspective of the current track and character behavior that's all. Mentioning this is not really about not mentioning the other thing.

I got your point dear. But for this I think we required to wait little bit. I am not completly agree with all your points but still I want bose family should understand their mistakes and sona also should open up . But with the dev's current behavoir it is difficult. I hope she will find the way to calm him and they both will provide the comfort by which will communicate with each other.Thanks for relay.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ Shaavi

I really liked your BD SD comparitive study. It is just wonderful. Sonakshi changing from Sona Dixit to Bijoy Daughter whenever it keeps her safe in such a way that she need not acknowledge her mistakes..it just is awesome.

We are talking about Sonakshi and her lapses because she is reluctant to admit her part. We need not talk about Dev or Iswari since they are so forthcoming in dissecting themselves and judge their flaws.
So there lies the reason. I hope Timba understood my point that Shaavi already put forth.

I refuse to attribute Dev's childhood trauma as the reason for his present behaviour. It completely is related to his fears reg. Sonakshi and to some extent Soha.

He got both of them in his life after so much stress and tension. He hardly got the opportunity to feel the ultimate contentment that he was again disturbed first by Sonakshi in trouble with the goons and then by Vicky and his backstabbing that would have landed him on the road. As if that is not enough Soha wounded herself. All these together made him wild with fear of losing his hard earned family. He is insecure because of Sonakshi's indifference and disconnection towards him.

Dev doesn't need any treatment. Sonakshi only could cure him by paying more attention,by showing concern towards his fears and by assuring him of her lifelong presence and support in his life.

A few days of ultimate attention from Sonakshi is the only antidote he requires. I feel it is not too much to expect from a lover,a wife and the mother of his daughter.


By the way Dev is not a male chauvinist. Never.@ Sam and @ astrix explained so well. I need not go there.




Lakshmi


Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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@y.c.yetikaroxx- Even if I were to assume (another issue I have with the writing that we always have to assume when it comes to Sonakshi) that she is in denial right now, why is she not reacting to anything that is happening around her? Sonakshi looked more disturbed with Dev's hyper behavior than she was when she overheard Vicky or when Dev revealed that he again tried to destroy him by stealing the software. Someone in your family rendending you homeless and making you believe your spouse did it which lead to a bitter separation of 7 years is a huge deal. I saw no reaction from her. Hell, Dev declared on national tv that he loves and adores her yet I saw no reaction from her. She shrugs off every issue or emotion while Dev goes crazy over everything. Dev's behavior is abnormal on the face of it but at the same time, am not sure if Sona's zen like state and lack of reaction can even be counted as normal human behavior 😕 Dev has been behaving this way right after the night she got almost molested. He was protective before but never this crazy. Instead of confronting it all I see is the two of them fighting over woman empowerment (which is not even an issue at this point). Or Sona rebeling behind Dev's back and ranting to Ishwari or Elena. Lets not forget this is the same Sonakshi who had it in her to come to his house just to check on him even after he ruthlessly broke up with her cos she knew no one understood his state of mind. She even defended Dev's stalking and crazy behaviour to Elena in one scene. Even if we were to assume that the 7 year struggle changed her, why not make it clear to the viewers what her state of mind is instead of letting us assume things? And why is she so firm and stoic only with Dev and not with the other characters? Even the ones like mami? Sonakshi was an amazingly perceptive, strong and compassionate woman. Even if you want to show that she has changed I only expect more clarity, consistency and better dialogues for Sonakshi. Not defending Dev but I definitely feel they need to work on Sona's character more besides curing Dev of his issues. I will rest my case with this :)
Edited by astrix90 - 8 years ago
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@astrix: A big WORD to everything you said. I really believe that Sona is the one making this a gender issue. It's not for Dev. In fact, in a weird way, he is trying to take responsibility for the fact that he needs her to be home and safe by doing the extra work of rearranging her meetings and talking to her clients himself. In the end, his aim is for her work not to be affected by his intervention. Ethically speaking, it's totally invasive and violatory, but his internal logic is consistent enough that he is able to talk himself out of Sona's objections, and probably even those of his own conscience. That, for me, is the real problem -- both of them have their own internal logic, and neither of them are able to understand or communicate why what is common sense for one makes absolutely no sense to the other.
It's actually the same fight they had over that 5-crore investment. Dev thought, you need investment and you are deserving so I invested. If getting the investment is end goal, how does it matter where it comes from? What matters is what you do with it. For Sona, it was important to start her business in a way that ruled out even a single tiny doubt on her integrity. The moment Mami and Ishwari accused the Boses of stealing/taking advantage of Dev, his investment became a no-go. Dev expected Sona and the Boses to have that inner conviction -- we didn't do anything wrong, so why should we care what other people think? But for Sona and the Boses, external validation, and public opinion mattered a lot (also why Saurabh couldn't accept that car from Dev, even though he gave it with a lot of love and only the best intentions).

In a way, I am really glad they have brought us back to that issue, because it is the core of their separation, which -- let's face it -- showed a lot more tenacity than their relationship. The last time they stood at this crossroads, they made a choice to end their relationship, and it looks very much like they are headed there again but for one key difference; this time, they have the full support of their families, the people who know them best and have seen them suffer in each other's absence. This time, hopefully, their families won't just let their differences get in between them, while they look the other way, or say, "I told you so."

This got rambly again. 😛 It's always the most contentious episodes that provide the greatest food for thought!

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