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sjain

@sjain

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 8 years ago

#111

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Sona: I think mujhe utar jana chaheeye
Dev: Thoree himmat to karnee padtee hai

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Genius..I give up man..I can never come up with this 🤪
Charan sparsh..devi ji ☺️

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sweetyidiot

@sweetyidiot

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#112

I have a doubt ,sona moulds herself for whatever other say...like if asha asked to forgive Dev ( after first breakup) she gave in

then again asha asked her to fight for her self respect( after the eviction) she gave in

Baba Bose asked her to be strong ...she gave in

Ex sasu ma asked to be a match maker... She gave in

Then why not she give in to Dev ...when he is trying it so hard it was very clear in his eyes... he had been dropping hints since yesterday's epi and today that fairytale dailouge he literally should how frustrated he was with her so called cool behavior... Seriously sona why can't you give in

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havima

@havima

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#113

Originally posted by: sjain

Genius..I give up man..I can never come up with this 🤪
Charan sparsh..devi ji ☺️

oh my... i just turned scarlet dq. It took a while to catch it. I admit u are my guru.

Btw... sona can start taking classes on How to stop a hulk with one hand. But then i start wondering wht she can achieve with two. 😳

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malikakas

@malikakas

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#114

Originally posted by: Shaavi

I am starting to feel that Dev didn't break her trust when he broke up with her in the hospital. It is that she never really trusted Dev in the first place as she always had that feeling that she was not the one for him. For her what Dev told in the hospital was him waking her up from her dream. That is where I think Nisha comes in. She has been modelled after Natasha, a family girl. It is about Dev regaining Sonakshi's trust that he broke unknowingly rather than knowingly.

I totally agree with this. For Sona's reactions at the time of the first breakup didn't make a lot of sense if she did indeed trust Dev. Because trust doesn't break that quickly. She would've seen that Dev was stressed that his mom almost committed suicide because of them .. and understood where he was coming from. Dev was emotional in that moment so he couldn't be objective. But I couldn't understand Sona's lack of objectivity. At least she could've tried to talk to him when he was in a calm state something she expected Neha and Ranveer to do.

She basically took the first possible sign that it couldn't work with Dev and ran with that. It was basically a self fulfilling prophecy. At her core I feel that Sona is so afraid of being vulnerable that she can't really trust anyone. That's why she has always needed to take on the helper role as a crutch in her relationships. If someone needs her help then they can't possibly leave her but by doing that she can't really trust anyone either.

What I'd really hope is that Sona learns to trust even when circumstances are not in her favor. For me this is not something Dev has to earn.. but that Sona just has to learn to do. The first time around Sona couldn't admit her feelings because of Natasha being the better choice. She didn't have trust in herself or Dev. She couldn't be vulnerable to him for fear of rejection. So we have to see the reverse of that. She has to feel like she could be rejected and take that chance anyways.

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 8 years ago

#115

Originally posted by: malikakas
What I'd really hope is that Sona learns to trust even when circumstances are not in her favor. For me this is not something Dev has to earn.. but that Sona just has to learn to do. The first time around Sona couldn't admit her feelings because of Natasha being the better choice. She didn't have trust in herself or Dev. She couldn't be vulnerable to him for fear of rejection. So we have to see the reverse of that. She has to feel like she could be rejected and take that chance anyways.

THIS is what it all comes down to in the end. 👏 A major part of why Sona couldn't trust their love was because she never trusted herself as an individual. Their love was never something she claimed but something she accepted, so she doesn't feel the same innate right over it that Dev does. It something he "gave" her when he confessed, and then "toook away" when he broke up with her at the hospital. It also explains her reaction to the controversial "get out," and why she couldn't just go up to their room instead of leaving IN altogether, and her inseurities about Ishwari. She saw Ishwari as having the power to determine whether or not Dev could bestow Sona's fairytale on her and she wanted to make sure that both Dev and Ishwari saw her as worthy of it. She doesn't see the relationship as something she gave Dev in equal measure.

The one exception, when Sona saw herself as an equal architect of the relationship, was their first night at the resort. Then, she didn't know how Dev would react to her surprise, but she boldly went through with it, and he was thrilled. That, like you so aptly said, is what we need to see more of and on a larger scale. As Dev said, in order to get your fairytale, you have to have courage. We often pan fairytales as bearers of unreachable fantasy, but if we look closer they all preach that courage. Cinderella needed courage in the face of humiliation to make it to the ball, Rapunzel had to take a chance on the prince and let down her long hair when she could have argued that her tower was perfectly safe and adequate, and Beauty had the courage to become the Beast's prisoner in her father's stead. All of these characters go against expectation and stake a claim in their happily ever after.

It really reminds me of the writers' little blurb at the beginning of the show; that for Dev, his mother was god and for Sona her love was god. How true that became! She treated her love like a devotee treats god, rather than how a creator views their creation. That is what needs to change.

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#116

@Sam and @Mallika. Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. This was the thought that kept coming to me when I was thinking why Sonakshi fears taking the first step. In the last thread I had asked this question, why Sonakshi did not ever feel comfortable to tell the truth. This was even before Dev broke up in the hospital. And that is when the other thoughts started coming in.

Sonakshi was called bookish in season 1. There were several times she was shown with books that talked about diet, things related to her profession, but not fairy tales or fiction books. Sam had mentioned about Saurabh and how he liked the romantic adventure and defied Bijoy in his own way. I feel just like how Dev gave up his happiness and desires on seeing his mother get slapped, Sonakshi chose to be the "ideal daughter" giving up her desire for adventure and became Bijoy's reflection. In the beginning of the series, both Ishwari and Bijoy did not really ask their kids to prove their loyalty to them. They did listen to their kids and did not restrict them in what they did.

When Sonakshi fell in love with Dev it was because he had kind of shown himself to be "prince charming", who was brave, chivalrous, honest, noble etc, in short everything a fairy tale prince is. But with the way she is being BD and Sonakshi, where the former is her mind(brain) and later is her heart, she chose to listen to her mind. She read fairy tales, believed them in her heart, but does not believe it in her mind. What I mean is the way she looked at it as fairy tales do not exist. That they are just fun to read, but is not true. This is how Bijoy has given her to understand. He has always told her that she was "strong", but in herself she doesn't have the "courage". She did not have a separate identity of her own, just like Dev.

If Natasha had not come in at the time she entered, she might have gained that courage. But her entry changed that. Natasha was someone who met the requirements of a princess from Sonakshi's view. So she imagined rejection from Dev and assumed that only a person like Natasha can have that place in Dev's life. This was also supported by Ishwari who did not directly disapprove her. In fact Ishwari praised Natasha and told that she was suitable for Dev in every way. This made Sonakshi even more withdrawn into her shell.

When Dev confessed his love for Sonakshi, she couldn't trust herself that this was really happening. For her it was like she was living somebody else's dream and one from which she would eventually wake up. When Dev told that they have to separate, it was like a rude awakening for her. BD took over. she came home looking for his support, that he would say it was ok, but Bijoy did nothing of that sort. Instead he told her that she is strong and she shouldn't cry over something as trivial as that. This is something that Bijoy has given her to understand since her young age when he made her the head of the family against Asha's advice. He told her that dreams or that idea of romance is for vulnerable people and who follow their dreams make mistakes and get hurt. If one follows the practical path, then they wouldn't fail. I think this is where Saurabh comes in. Even though he made mistakes and lost, he did not give up. But then Sonakshi saw that Saurabh failed and her father criticized him and did not consider him as good enough. She wanted to be the "perfect daughter" of "perfect father", to maintain his respect.

That is what she has done all this time. Be BD. Now that she is seeing her dream slip away is making her fight within herself, her heart and mind is at war. While her inner self is saying what is wrong in loving someone, her brain is saying I have let you do what you wanted to do and see where that took you. it only hurt you. As Sam said she is like a pendulum, but not someone who swings from Bijoy to Dev, but one who swings between her heart and mind, unable to decide between selecting what her heart and mind wants. she is at an impasse. What she always looked for was Bijoy giving advice where he would tell her it was ok to make mistakes and ask her to learn from it. But what she got was Bijoy telling her not to make mistakes and anytime she did do mistake, to take away his support and tell her she needs to be strong and rise above them.

@Latha. Here is where I said Nisha is similar to Natasha. I was going by the written spoilers in TV Serial Updates or youtube. She is told to be a family girl, someone similar to Natasha who wanted to be homemaker, knew cooking and pretty much those skills that is considered as the ones the girls are supposed to have(I am just mentioning the norms of society, not intended to hurt anyone. It is like generally speaking). That is how Nisha is described as. Sonakshi through Nisha is confronting herself and breaking out of the image that Bijoy has created of her. It is very similar to what Dev did and told Ishwari in the beginning of post leap. She no longer wants to be what Bijoy wants her to be, but still hasn't gather the "courage" to be herself. And that is what Dev is pushing her towards. To own herself.

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Deepa

@deepsel

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 8 years ago

#117

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

THIS is what it all comes down to in the end. 👏 A major part of why Sona couldn't trust their love was because she never trusted herself as an individual. Their love was never something she claimed but something she accepted, so she doesn't feel the same innate right over it that Dev does. It something he "gave" her when he confessed, and then "toook away" when he broke up with her at the hospital. It also explains her reaction to the controversial "get out," and why she couldn't just go up to their room instead of leaving IN altogether, and her inseurities about Ishwari. She saw Ishwari as having the power to determine whether or not Dev could bestow Sona's fairytale on her and she wanted to make sure that both Dev and Ishwari saw her as worthy of it. She doesn't see the relationship as something she gave Dev in equal measure.

The one exception, when Sona saw herself as an equal architect of the relationship, was their first night at the resort. Then, she didn't know how Dev would react to her surprise, but she boldly went through with it, and he was thrilled. That, like you so aptly said, is what we need to see more of and on a larger scale. As Dev said, in order to get your fairytale, you have to have courage. We often pan fairytales as bearers of unreachable fantasy, but if we look closer they all preach that courage. Cinderella needed courage in the face of humiliation to make it to the ball, Rapunzel had to take a chance on the prince and let down her long hair when she could have argued that her tower was perfectly safe and adequate, and Beauty had the courage to become the Beast's prisoner in her father's stead. All of these characters go against expectation and stake a claim in their happily ever after.

It really reminds me of the writers' little blurb at the beginning of the show; that for Dev, his mother was god and for Sona her love was god. How true that became! She treated her love like a devotee treats god, rather than how a creator views their creation. That is what needs to change.

@bold :

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#118

After today's episode, the song that comes to my mind for Dev is "Come and Get it" by Selena Gomez --

When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

You ain't gotta worry, it's an open invitation
I'll be sittin' right here, real patient
All day, all night I'll be waitin' standby
Can't stop because I love it, hate the way I love you
All day, all night, maybe I'm addicted for life, no lie.

I'm not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets.
I love you much, too much to hide you, this love ain't finished yet.
This love ain't finished yet...
So, baby, whenever you're ready...

[2x:]
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

You got the kind of love that I want, let me get that (let me get that, yeah)
And, baby, once I get it, I'm yours: no take-backs.
Gon' love you for life, I ain't leaving your side
Even if you knock it, ain't no way to stop it
Forever you're mine. Baby, I'm addicted, no lie, no lie.

I'm not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets.
So, baby, whenever you're ready...

[2x:]
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

This love will be the death of me
But I know I'll die happily
I'll know, I'll know, I'll know
Because you love me so... yeah!

[2x:]
When you're ready come and get it
Na-na-na-na [3x]

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're re-e-e-e-e-e
When you're ready come and get it (when you're ready come and get it)
Na-na-na-na [3x]

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 8 years ago

#119

@ Shaavi

Thanks for clarifying my doubt. It is me who asked the Nisha question. Wonderful post in explaning further ..Sonakshi's mindset..you,Mallika Sam...you are brilliant.

There is always a difference in the way Dev and Sona viewed and handled their love. Sonakshi never owned her love completely . She is insecure always. She never believed in Dev's love for her since the begining. Trust... that is missing . And she paid the price for it by witnessing her relationship broken before her eyes.

Like Sam said the only time she looked confident of the power that their love has given her is the time of the resort night planning. She always had this complex that she may not be the ideal partner for Dev. Hence she let Bijoy's preachings dominate her life making way to the suppression of her love .She tried to make her married life successful not with the power of her love but on the basis of her strength and ability that Bijoy always associated her with.

So we hardly saw the lover Sonakshi in IN who should have drenched Dev with her expression in word or deed. If we don't know the back ground of their marriage we could easily believe that theirs is an arranged marriage but not love marriage.

Sonakshi's lack of trust in Dev and their love resulted in break up of their marriage.So like Shaavi said I also feel BD is the one who is in operation till now. The suppressed love certainly existed but not able to rise up to the occasion. The day the BD factor goes down the suppressed love will rise up to claim the rightful place in Dev's life.

For Dev it is always love that shone and dominated his whole existence. Not even one moment he is disassociated with that feeling of love.They have severe arguments fights still Dev's love did not diminish or lost its shine. For him his love for her is the ultimate reality that helps him survive.

I read many times that he should declare his love before every one not when they were alone.( not here and sorry can not provide links )I wonder in what way others are connected with it. Love binds two hearts. What positive effect will be there if he shouts from the roof tops that he loves her? Dev is a real lover. Without reading fairy tales he emerged as the real hero of fairy tales.He never let his feeling of love waver not even when Sonakshi tried to move on with Ritwick.

I strongly support his line yesterday thodi Himmat chahiye. He is right. He is trying his best to make Sonakshi understand the fact. I appreciate his effort to keep the power of love strong and undefeated. Such lovers surely fulfill their love,they have the strength to fight and wait for it. CVs are showing the indomitable spirit and courage of a sincere lover through Dev Dixit. I wish Dev good luck he needs it since he is dealing with BD.

Lakshmi

Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago

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aarcha

@aarcha

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#120

Beautiful episodes...wonderful discussions ! 👍🏼

The letter wrote to dev & the replies ,then all the discussions , observations , POVs.. everything perfect, jst perfect 😃

Shaheer n erica ..Wat a voice modulation, dialogue delivery , expressions!!! I really find it hard to distinguish bet reel n real 😆 btw, both ways , i'm fine .😉

How I wished after that " I hate u " from sona, Dev pulls her closer , gives her a very tight hug n ends up with a kiss Chalo, koi baath nahii . After all these tensions both mentally n physically , i'm waiting for a zabardast confession from sona , with a running, jumping n flying hug & lot more ...

Btw, i didn get the "blanket " dress code for sona. Y covering her this much ? Glad that elena's dress code changed .

Edited by aarcha - 8 years ago