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Posted: 8 years ago
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Mahua, to cheer you up on the disconnect you are feeling with Dev-Sona realisations and Sona's monologue on Friday asking Dev to stop her, here is the link to what Geena has posted her version on the same, in one of my threads. Hope this will clear your confusions.

The main reason why we are not being able to accept this fast pace is because Dev's, Ishwari's & Sona's realisation & redemption is not happening the way we thought.

Firstly, we had already set it in our mind that the Khatri track will lead to exposing Ishwari, which will lead to her redemption. But, what happened is that though it has exposed Ishwari, it has indirectly caused Sona's realisation, thus prompting her to support Dev.

Secondly, we all thought & waited (atleast me) to see Sona's realisation starting with a phoot phoot ke crying Sona in Dev's hands, after she comes to know about Vicky-RR's hand in the prenup & Bose house eviction and that instead of trusting Dev, she trusted Vicky. Since this didn't happen, we are reluctant to accept Sona's realisation. But the truth is that, though in a subtle manner, Sona has now realised that her not trusting Dev was one reason of their separation. When Dev on that fateful day told Sona that he has chosen to live with Sona, she didn't trust him, because she could never imagine or believe that Dev was separable from Ishwari. But when Elena told her that Dev used to be away from his mother for days and when she herself saw in her eyes that Dev can be away from his family (even Soha) Sona's realisation of what went wrong started. And that is why she keeps on telling Dev 'Muje aap bhar pura bharosa hai'...because she knows that those words can do wonders in Dev.

We thought Dev's realisation will happen during Khatri track and also after hearing to what all Sona had to suffer all these 7 years. But what has been shown is that Dev's realisation is not yet over. Jatin track started his self-introspection and Khatri track has helped him to confess his feelings. But the realisation similar to what Sona got on how Dev's life without her was, is still pending. Once Ishwari's matters are settled, we will start getting this track. After that only, Dev's mind will be cleared to focus on Sona. Now, Sona is convincing him that she is beside him as a friend; but to get her back completely, it's a great uphill task lying infront of the Dev Dixit. Let's see how he is going to win her back.

And finally, I think the Vicky-RR track is for Ishwari's realisation that whom she trusted were the ones who really back-stabbed her family.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harryfan011



I could forgive Dev or think about why he acted in the way, he did for any scene but the scene when Sonakshi agreed to go through infertility treatments just to please Ishwari and begged her mother-in-law to accept her as Dev's wife, was the one mistake and the one moment, Dev lost my respect not only as a husband, but as a human being too...

No reason could ever justify Dev's silence during that scene... I feel that he deserved to go through all the pain that he did, in these seven years.. To see your wife beg your mother for her place in your family and undergo all that torment for something she is not at all responsible... There is no bigger sin and there is no forgiveness for committing this action...

I know that I deserve to rot in hell and every punishment, if I ever see my wife in a similar situation... I know, if something like this happened, I have no right to call myself a good human being...

- Suyash.


I can't believe, that the above & below posts are by the same person. Suyash...when you have such a great heart which you have poured out in the above post, then why do you need to worry about your married life. Just be yourself...God will bless you with the best...😊

Originally posted by: Harryfan011


A marriage ritual might take some few hours to complete, but to do it justice, you, along with your partner needs to work on it each and every day of your life... It might sound easy but it is not so... That's why, I feel so scared of failing at it... (I guess, I will be more nervous than my wife, when and if that day comes to my life)


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I watched last week's episodes in one go after reading the updates and some discussions here. I honestly had a very different impression of the episodes before I watched them, and as it often happens with this show, I ended up loving the episodes themselves. Like DQ mentioned in one of her posts, given that they were working with a lot of absences, they kept the story moving in a way that I found incredibly convincing. I am also of the opinion that what we saw on Wednesday was not a resolution of all of Devakshi's issues, it was merely the acknowledgment of them, so they can proceed to solve them from now on.


It's no secret that Dev is an intensely emotional person, who has never had the right tools to express those emotions. This is true right from the time of his father's death where, unable to deal with his grief in a meaningful way, and being thrown into adulthood overnight, he channelled all of that emotion into anger... at god. Similarly, throughout his life, he has only been allowed that one emotional outlet (which is true of a lot of men, and the root of toxic masculinity). The interesting thing about Dev, is that early on, he learned to direct that anger inwards as a sort of motivating force. That is how he explained the almari full of reminders of Ishwari's struggle. They made him angry, and that anger fuelled his struggle and therefore his success.


This singular relationship worked as long as he had control over the doses of anger that he used, and anger became his greatest weapon, but it also became his greatest weakness when he couldn't control it. And it became especially dangerous when that anger was directed inward at himself, because that is when Dev begins to self-destruct. We first saw this during the first break up. Neither could be blame Ishwari for not supporting his and Sona's relationship, nor could be blame Sona for moving on, so all of that anger was directed at himself in the form of an intense self-loathing. And as much as Sona tried to move on, she couldn't bear to watch Dev turn on himself the way he did.


That is what I see happening now as well. For the last seven years, Dev has fueled his ability to exist in this careless/carefree way by turning his anger on Ishwari and Sona. As long as he was able to direct his latent anger at them, he was able to sustain his own self-care. Every time he faltered, Ishwari ended up reminding him of where his anger stemmed from in the first place by trying to bring up Sona, and at the same time, Sona came back into his life and seemed to prove all of his anger valid. Even with the Jatin thing, as many people have mentioned, as long as Sona was lying to him, and doing wrong by him, Dev didn't have to think about the fact that he had fallen short as a husband.


But with this Khatri thing, his anger both at Sona and at Ishwari came crumbling down, and the base upon which he had learned to exist all of these years was pulled out from under his feet. As a result, all of his anger turned inwards and he went into self-destruct mode. Sona has seen this side of Dev before; she couldn't bear it then and she can't bear it now. She will fight with Dev, she will unleash all of her anger on him, and she will feign indifference when Dev is in full form, but the moment she sees him crumbling under the weight of his own guilt, it's like a primal call from his soul to hers, one that she cannot ignore.


The way I see it, she is answering that primal call by supporting Dev, by encouraging him to let his emotions flow freely. This is a side of him that only she ever got/gets to see, and somewhere in the madness of their marriage, she forgot how important that space that only she could provide was for him. What is beautiful to see is that everything they missed out on in their marriage, which made their pre-marriage relationship so harmonious, is precisely what they are discovering in this new phase initiated by Khatri: their friendship, support, and their natural and easy connection with each other.


Sam...you are back with a bang...And this, especially the underlined part made me 😭😭😭
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: bashingHater

@Suyash
Dude, you are in AI 😲. How are you able to study it? I mean it was so difficult for me to even grasp concepts related to neural networks and perceptrons. You are def. a genius. I totally agree with your views regarding the show. I believe the storyline is still good but what has regressed is the execution of the story. I believe the direction is not up to the level of the initial episodes of the show.

@Lakshmi

Your write up on Ishwari is excellent. I agree with most of what you've written and I agree with timbarchu's write up as well. I will like to present my viewpoint if time permits.

@Shaavi

I loved your take on Sauruv-Ronita's conversation. I wanted to ask you a question. Do you think they have explained the reason for Ishwari keeping that pocket knife? I think there is more to that part of the story which will help in looking into Ishwari's struggles after her husband's death. I want to know what do you think.

@DQ

When Ronita read that text message from an unknown person, the first thought that came to my mind was your idea about Sauruv's homosexuality.

REALIZATION:
I would like to say something regarding the characters' realization. One thing that is against Dev and Sona's character is their non-ability to immediately realize things. These characters have never taken much time to realize their mistakes but have taken time to express it to each other.
Can I use psychology to explain this? I will😛.

Three systems of the brain used for thinking:
  • Unconscious
  • Subconscious
  • Conscious
Link that can help you in understanding these systems.

https://staroversky.com/blog/three-minds-conscious-subcosncious-unconscious

In order to be aware of things, you need to bring memories, incidences, thought processes from unconscious to subconscious and from subconscious to conscious.

Dev's realization of his mistakes has always been in his subconscious since the mistakes he committed were conspicuous but the reason for this realization was generated when he brought this thought from his subconscious to his conscious. Khatri's track provided him the trigger to bring his realization from his subconscious to his conscious mind.

Regarding Sona's realization, her realization was somewhere in the unconscious. When she started remembering good things about Dev after disclosure of Suhana's secret, she brought in the good memories related to Dev in her subconscious to her conscious mind. With this she started to notice good things about Dev. When she started seeing Dev in good light, she brought her realization from the unconscious to subconscious. But she needed a trigger and a reason to bring this realization from her subconscious to her conscious which was provided by Jatin track. (Asha's talk just gave her the reason to consolidate her realization).

FACADE:

The facade that we saw Dev and Sonakshi wearing during their initial interactions after their seven years' meet is there due to uneasiness called emotional dissonance. Why was Dev's facade not so effective while Sonakshi's facade was always effective, I want to use psychology for that too 😊.

Emotional Dissonance:
Emotional Dissonance is the conflict between experienced
emotions and emotions expressed to conform to display rules.

Two ways to deal with it.
  • Surface acting
  • Deep acting
While Dev's facade was surface acting that means your emotions being displayed are different from what they actually are (faking of emotions). This surface acting resulted in emotional exhaustion which was reflected in his hurtful acts (Can I call it manhandling).

Whereas Sonakshi's facade was more of deep acting, that means you try to match your inner feelings with displayed emotions (faking with good intentions).

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@bashingHater, you are truly a man of scientific thought... I loved how you connected the emotions expressed by the protagonists with scientific principles...

According to my views, I find AI a lot more easier to comprehend and interpret than understanding the dynamics and complexities attached to emotions and sentiments...

Emotions are not concrete... They change and are transient in nature... What I wish to convey, same emotions can cause different individuals to react in different ways.. The number of emotions or sentiments might be limited in number but how they manifest in real world is what makes it so much more mysterious and fascinating...

Love can make you feel like you are at the top of the world, but at the same time, can cripple someone for life...

Anger might lead to conflicts and confrontations but it can also be used as a source of continued determination and hence, success..

And, I am sure there are so many other countless examples that everyone experiences in their daily lives that validate my point...

The above examples can easily be applied on the behavior of our protagonists (especially, Dev as seen in the last week's episodes)...

And, @bashingHater, I have found that there is not much difference between learning Maths and AI... Both are the result of logic and requires constant practice...

@Shaavi and @Sam, I am always amazed by your perspectives and how you interpret things that are being shown on the show... I am so happy that I am amidst such great thinkers...

@grace, I feel that this show, despite all of its flaws and its lapses, has been successful in presenting a very real image of a married life and what goes in it..

So, I always believed that, 'Uncontrolled fear paralyses you and makes you weaker but if you learn to confront your fears and use it as a moral guide, you will come out as a better person'

And, that is why, I am so excited for the upcoming episodes.. Because, I feel that the time has come for both Dev and Sonakshi to confront their fears and come out as stronger individuals as well as learn the true meaning of togetherness...

(I just hope that writers don't ruin this phase of their journey like they did with infertility track...)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am really very happy that we have a common place here where we can share our thoughts freely and more happy for the various analysis & write-ups that are helping us to enjoy watching our show.

When analysis & parallels from Shaavi, Sam, DQ, Geena, areebablossom, Suyash & bashingHater enlighten us more on the deep thoughts behind each episode, write-ups & discussions between many of us, especially timbarucha, Latha, Lakshmi, mallikakas, deepsel, Mahua, Charu, Mishti, etc etc. (sorry for missing some names) drive us with various thoughts. All in all, I am enjoying the whole thread and hope it's the same with all of us.

Btw, last week we were still missing Havima, Chitra(Drcs), Shreya(Tom&Jerry) and even Tia(dreamy-tiara). Hope you guys are fine and awaiting you to join us back.

Have a great KRPKAB week ahead friends!!!

P.S. To the experts who are in analysing the parallels, didn't you find Dev holding Sona's hands as if in a trance similar to how awestruck Sona was, when Dev holded her hand while giving her the new mobile.
Edited by grace4317 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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While Dev's facade was surface acting that means your emotions being displayed are different from what they actually are (faking of emotions). This surface acting resulted in emotional exhaustion which was reflected in his hurtful acts (Can I call it manhandling).

@ Bashinghater

I couldn't understand how Dev's facade was surface acting. As far as I know he expresses his emotions well without hiding them . S1 or S2 I did not see him hide his real emotions only exception being the infertility track. He hid the medical report of Sona so he wore the mask of pretence . Otherwise he just exhibits himself as he is. If you can please explain your point.

I liked your post which makes me learn the scientific approach in analysis. It was wonderful.

Thanks for liking my take on Iswari. Waiting to read your views on that issue.

Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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But with this Khatri thing, his anger both at Sona and at Ishwari came crumbling down, and the base upon which he had learned to exist all of these years was pulled out from under his feet. As a result, all of his anger turned inwards and he went into self-destruct mode. Sona has seen this side of Dev before; she couldn't bear it then and she can't bear it now. She will fight with Dev, she will unleash all of her anger on him, and she will feign indifference when Dev is in full form, but the moment she sees him crumbling under the weight of his own guilt, it's like a primal call from his soul to hers, one that she cannot ignore.

@ Sam

Awesome . You just showed Sona as she is inside out. The essence of Dev and Sona's relationship was explained in such a simple way. You showed the nature of their bond which is beyond friendship ,love or something else I was not able to accept Sonakshi's behaviour towards Dev as a mark of friendship. It is more than that. You described it so well.

Lakshmi
Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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After 3 days of fierce running..finally they slowed down to relax..& probably to run again tomorrow LOL..

So Thank you CVs..Episode was much within my understanding limits finally..It gave me required breathing space

Dev mami scene

Dev Vicky scene

Dev Asha scene

Dev Sonakshi scene

Mami Sonakshi scene

All were well executed well explained and simple straight forward having required details in them..good

Elena a request to you ..Please dont assume things calm down sweaty..They dont need any push..Asha as mothr is expecting and wishes something for her daughter is still understandable but then she too is hoping a bit too much for the time being inspite of what ever happened in past..though she is hesitant at the same time and dont want to dream big..I liked her 2 avtars which I witnessed today as "friend" and as "mothr" her dialog..she is more of a friend to Sona then her mothr now was wonderful..She doesn't want to push Sonakshi for anything..She is gem of a person..no wonder she is moth goals :)

Sonakshi atleast for now isnt in her dreamy love land and looks sorted..so I am expecting Dev to be clean and easy with his thoughts as well and not be like old love struck Dev who used to rush with things..Though their interactions shows he isnt in that mode but everything is very sudden in KRPKB story..You never know what will come next

A light simple calm episode..peaceful one :)

PS Cherry on cake Dev Golu..Oh breath of fresh air <3 oh love this little bundle of joy

Edited by sjain - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The highlight of today's episode for me was Asha witnessing Dev and maami's conversation regarding her arrival. What I mean is this was such a throwback to what Vickky had said when he had given the eviction notice to the Boses. He had told them that they were being throw out because Sonakshi had insulted Ishwari, Dev's mother and that he would destroy anybody who insults his mother.
This stance of Dev what he showed today is surely going to play a role when Vickky or maami will try to play the same game again in trying to oust Sonakshi fromm IN. He clearly told Asha that this was his house when maami tried to tell it was their house. He did not include maami as part of his house or in a way family. His words to Asha were more like you guys are family, these people are just there due to unavoidable circumstances. 😆

I am really enjoying these subtle parallels that they are showing in KRPKAB. 😃


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