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Posted: 8 years ago
#91
@AbAnamika and @Payal. He needs the support first to then try to convince Ishwari. What I meant about Sonakshi giving an opening is not just saying I Love You, but also letting him know the truth. Whatever Bijoy, he talks in front of both Sonakshi and Bijoy. Sonakshi cannot say anything to Bijoy unless she knows what he says. Ex -- if instead of asking why he was there in front of Sonakshi, Bijoy had taken him in and had a one on one conversation, insulted Dev real bad, and both Bijoy and Dev did not let Sonakshi know the gist of their conversation, then there is very little Sonakshi can do about it. Bijoy can do that after Sonakshi goes to office, make excuses and send her out and behind her taunt and insult Dev. If Dev does not tell Sonakshi about it and expect her to support him, it is not possible for her.

Similarly Dev can take a stand for when he knows. Which he did during Ayaan track or even Neha's. The first thing Sonakshi needs to do is be honest not just about her feelings, but also about the happenings behind him. What she experienced. Automatically the first thing he would do is start figuring it out. If Sonakshi keeps her trust in Dev and makes sure he knows, pretty soon he will remove maami and Vickky from Ishwari's vicinity. Once they are out of the picture, it is not that hard to convince Ishwari and talk to her. I am not saying it won't take time, but without maami constantly fueling her fear, it would not be hard for Ishwari to become that rational person she once was.

And if in this process the truth about the doings of Vickky and XGKB comes to light, then process of helping Ishwari understand would become smoother and will happen in a shorter period of time.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is a little bit of a departure from the ongoing discussion, but I wanted to put down something that struck me over the last few episodes. We have discussed to death Dev's ability, or lack thereof, to balance his mother and his wife, but I realised that we have never really discussed how that balance played out in Sona's life. To be honest, I don't think she was much better than Dev at maintaining the balance between her maika and her sasural; she just has a different pattern. If Dev is impulsive and caters to whomever demands his attention at that moment, Sona is like a pendulum -- when she is wrapped up in her equation with Dev, she completely forgets to take her family's feelings into consideration, and when Dev breaks her trust and hurts her family, she completely swings in the other direction, to the complete neglect of her relationship with Dev.

This has been true ever since the first confession, when she swung totally in Dev's direction, back to her family for the Ritwick episode, back towards Dev during their short marriage, and then towards her family after slap gate. So it remained for the last seven years, until Dev proved himself a worthy father to Suhana. Now once again she is totally on the Dev-ward upswing, taking her family for granted and bringing Dev and her complicated equation into their lives. What we end up seeing very little of in all this, is Sona taking an independent stand for herself; she does everything for others, and harbours the expectation that the people she takes action for will make it worth her while. Now, because of Soha, Dev and her family are in close quarters for the first time and applying the same logic won't work in the long term.

In the last 48 hours (since Soha made her decision to go to Kolkata and Bijoy obliged) she has used Dev as a threat against Bijoy -- when she said that if Bijoy took Soha to Kolkata, Dev could do anything -- and has used BIjoy as an implied threat against Dev -- if you don't come and live with me, Soha will go off to Kolkata. It isn't fair to either of these men, and she is inadvertently pitting them against one another. When she is in Dev-land she gives Dev the impression that Bijoy doesn't need to be taken seriously, and when she is in Bijoy-land, she allows him to think that Dev was her perpetrator and a villain who made her life completely miserable. It's misleading on both counts, and is largely due to Sona's lack of assertion and clear communication.

I thought it was important that Dev, when they were discussing their living situation in his office, reminded her, the responsibility wasn't totally on him, she had also promised Soha and would have to tell her if they didn't come up with a plan. What I heard, in retrospect, was, "don't you dare switch sides on me now that we have taken on this challenge as a team." Yet again, yesterday, when Dev tried to sit down and talk but Jatin made it a point to tell him he wasn't part of the family, while Bijoy asserted that Jatin was, Dev didn't take it upon himself to deal with the issue. He recognised that Sona was the only one who had all the information -- both about him and about who was and was not part of her family -- and left her to sort it.

I don't think he is doing this in a completely deliberate sense, but just by focusing completely on Soha and weeding out anything that doesn't have to do directly with her, Dev is forcing Sona to take her share of the responsibility and to communicate clearly with all parties involved. It's something he didn't do in their marriage or relationship, thanks to his firm belief that Sona was always right. At that time, because he had such blind faith in her judgment, he put all his cards on the table. He later came to realise that she had never done the same with him and that that was a problem. Now that Sona is equal to Dev in wealth, and Dev is equal to Sona in emotional strength (what they have been working on respectively for the past 7 years), I am looking forward to less defensiveness and more proactivity.
Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: gt2918


Hi DQ.Thanks for your reply.
Firstly I am sorry if the 'twisted psyche' comment is against the norms of this thread.
I did not use that as a derogatory reference to Dev.All I wanted to say is that Dev has a very different thought process and pysche as compared to most people in general.
For eg:Dev could stay away from Sona even if it hurt him provided Sona too was single and not moving on.That's a unique thought process isn't it.I mean he could lead a painful life without Sona provided she too was sailing in the same boat(she was single)
I hope I have been able to put forward my point properly.It was just a comment on his different style of thinking.
Please do let me know if that comment is against the rules of this thread so that I can avoid using it for my future posts.


Thanks @gt2918

Its not so much about usage of terms.. Its more about why you think a certain character is xyz.. like you explained above. That is well appreciated
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Awe inspiring post Sam. 👏 👏 I feel that similar to season 1 were Dev's character was explored, this season it will be Sonakshi's personality that will be disected. It was very much highlighted in yesterday's episode when Sonakshi refused to hear Dev's suggestion for sleeping arrangements. I mean Dev's solution was practical and what he said did make sense. It was not hard for Sonakshi to just give him some time to tell story to Soha and help her to sleep. But with the arguments that Sonakshi made, she just came out as silly. She is going the similar way as Ishwari/Bijoy with "its my way or highway". Reference to Ishwari is not in terms of manipulation or Bijoy is not in terms of his unforgiving dislike towards Dev.

I may sound like a sadist, but am really liking the way Sonakshi is providing comic relief with her "perfect, just perfect" and her solutions. I am also liking Dev who is forcing Sonakshi to take responsibility of her roles. 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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That's a great post Sam and like you said, Sona is (inadvertently) playing with people's emotions here. After making a proper faluda of Bijoy and Asha's izzat in the community when she walked out on her engagement, she then sold Bijoy & Asha's retirement home to prove a point to her in-laws.
Even after all this, like I said in my post last week, Bijoy is a father & a grandfather. As much as I dislike his control over Sona and Soha's life, that control is a reaction to what he has seen Sona do in the last 7 years. She has twice swung from one extreme to the other. As a parent, he is bound to be standing waiting for her all his life for the next sorbonash to strike because she is going to come running to him again. Now with Soha in tow, the stakes are even higher.

Of course Bijoy's stance is harming the relationships. However, some of it is defence mechanisms. He is just lining up his battleships because he has seen this happen twice already now. He makes a very valid point. "you aren't involving us in your decisions". Because this is so unlike the Boses. They sit round the table and they talk. they are in your face. They are OTT. But the fact is they talk it all out. No one person just makes a decision.

Sonakshi needs to be the intelligent person that Jatin reminded everyone she is. Take control of the situation and like you said Sam... communicate. Till such time that she doesnt sit with Bijoy, listen to the risks he raises and tells him how she plans to mitigate them, Bijoy will continue to act in this manner.

Lets take an example here. What if Dev has impregnated a woman in the last 7 years. Vicky finds out. Brings that woman and the child to IN. Ishwari embraces this because anyone is better than gabbar err Sonakshi. Sonakshi starts feeling Soha isnt getting the love she imagined she would get. In his fit of anger, Dev strikes 3rd time and they God forbid separate. Sonakshi comes back to the Boses.. right? What does Bijoy do? Other than catching this swinging pendulum what option does he have?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi

Awe inspiring post Sam. 👏 👏 I feel that similar to season 1 were Dev's character was explored, this season it will be Sonakshi's personality that will be disected. It was very much highlighted in yesterday's episode when Sonakshi refused to hear Dev's suggestion for sleeping arrangements. I mean Dev's solution was practical and what he said did make sense. It was not hard for Sonakshi to just give him some time to tell story to Soha and help her to sleep. But with the arguments that Sonakshi made, she just came out as silly. She is going the similar way as Ishwari/Bijoy with "its my way or highway". Reference to Ishwari is not in terms of manipulation or Bijoy is not in terms of his unforgiving dislike towards Dev.

I may sound like a sadist, but am really liking the way Sonakshi is providing comic relief with her "perfect, just perfect" and her solutions. I am also liking Dev who is forcing Sonakshi to take responsibility of her roles. 😃


There were a few things that I felt needed to be handled so much better. (ofcourse the end result as we saw in the precap is "pyar main lipte" devakshi so who can complain.. but I will still be a practical parent for 2 minutes here)

Firstly, like you said, where is the problem in Dev telling Soha a story while Sona gets some work done in the same room/guest room/goes and chats with Bijoy and puts some of his concerns to rest

Secondly, as parents, devakshi need to start drawing some boundaries. "Soha, if you would like to stay up past your bedtime and want to listen to a story with daddy, you need to go and sleep with him in the guest room".

and last but not the least, when Soha is at school, next available opportunity, the romance needs to be shelved and they need to sit down (in the office /coffee shops) and draw up some rules
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

That's a great post Sam and like you said, Sona is (inadvertently) playing with people's emotions here. After making a proper faluda of Bijoy and Asha's izzat in the community when she walked out on her engagement, she then sold Bijoy & Asha's retirement home to prove a point to her in-laws.

Even after all this, like I said in my post last week, Bijoy is a father & a grandfather. As much as I dislike his control over Sona and Soha's life, that control is a reaction to what he has seen Sona do in the last 7 years. She has twice swung from one extreme to the other. As a parent, he is bound to be standing waiting for her all his life for the next sorbonash to strike because she is going to come running to him again. Now with Soha in tow, the stakes are even higher.

Of course Bijoy's stance is harming the relationships. However, some of it is defence mechanisms. He is just lining up his battleships because he has seen this happen twice already now. He makes a very valid point. "you aren't involving us in your decisions". Because this is so unlike the Boses. They sit round the table and they talk. they are in your face. They are OTT. But the fact is they talk it all out. No one person just makes a decision.

Sonakshi needs to be the intelligent person that Jatin reminded everyone she is. Take control of the situation and like you said Sam... communicate. Till such time that she doesnt sit with Bijoy, listen to the risks he raises and tells him how she plans to mitigate them, Bijoy will continue to act in this manner.

Lets take an example here. What if Dev has impregnated a woman in the last 7 years. Vicky finds out. Brings that woman and the child to IN. Ishwari embraces this because anyone is better than gabbar err Sonakshi. Sonakshi starts feeling Soha isnt getting the love she imagined she would get. In his fit of anger, Dev strikes 3rd time and they God forbid separate. Sonakshi comes back to the Boses.. right? What does Bijoy do? Other than catching this swinging pendulum what option does he have?

Being a perfect and allowed to take the decision by her own the habit for sona. and I will put the blame for that om bijoy. Because he always say sona is perfect and gives her perference over dada. Yes she has taken the wrong decision to sold the bose property but the baba has give the full right her to do want is required to be done and reason is dada was never the brad earner it was only sona always. Even now also all the business decisions was taken by sona. Dada never goes to office and every one is ok with it. and some how in 7 years she get detached with bijoy because of his dislike related to dev. And if you ask me dev and sona always want to be with each other so after 7 years when they get a chance to be with each other in any of the form they get agree. At this point they are saying that it is for soha but some where they always want it. That way bijoy want sona should marry jatin and ishu want dev should remarry with other girl.Both the parents know they cannot be away from each other when they are in front of each other and you know their soha also knows this.
Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#98

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

That's a great post Sam and like you said, Sona is (inadvertently) playing with people's emotions here. After making a proper faluda of Bijoy and Asha's izzat in the community when she walked out on her engagement, she then sold Bijoy & Asha's retirement home to prove a point to her in-laws.

Even after all this, like I said in my post last week, Bijoy is a father & a grandfather. As much as I dislike his control over Sona and Soha's life, that control is a reaction to what he has seen Sona do in the last 7 years. She has twice swung from one extreme to the other. As a parent, he is bound to be standing waiting for her all his life for the next sorbonash to strike because she is going to come running to him again. Now with Soha in tow, the stakes are even higher.

Of course Bijoy's stance is harming the relationships. However, some of it is defence mechanisms. He is just lining up his battleships because he has seen this happen twice already now. He makes a very valid point. "you aren't involving us in your decisions". Because this is so unlike the Boses. They sit round the table and they talk. they are in your face. They are OTT. But the fact is they talk it all out. No one person just makes a decision.

Sonakshi needs to be the intelligent person that Jatin reminded everyone she is. Take control of the situation and like you said Sam... communicate. Till such time that she doesnt sit with Bijoy, listen to the risks he raises and tells him how she plans to mitigate them, Bijoy will continue to act in this manner.

Lets take an example here. What if Dev has impregnated a woman in the last 7 years. Vicky finds out. Brings that woman and the child to IN. Ishwari embraces this because anyone is better than gabbar err Sonakshi. Sonakshi starts feeling Soha isnt getting the love she imagined she would get. In his fit of anger, Dev strikes 3rd time and they God forbid separate. Sonakshi comes back to the Boses.. right? What does Bijoy do? Other than catching this swinging pendulum what option does he have?


Stupendous post DQ. 👏 ⭐️Agree to most of what you say except for @bold blue. In season 1, there were several instances where Sonakshi made decisions without consulting her family and they were accepted without much questions. Those decisions were also life altering and affected Bose family like Sonakshi deciding to accept Dev's job offer or her decision to quit that job or reaccept it again when Dev waited for 5 hours in the cafe. At that time she had promised Elena that she would spend time with her and will accompany her on her tour of colleges. But she just decided to accept the job and told Elena only after that fact. Even accepting the job offer the first time, she let Bijoy know after she had confirmed it to Dev's secratary.

Sonakshi is no doubt intelligent, but is also someone who goes by theoretical solutions rather than practical ones. She comes up with resolutions without considering all the information, if the consequences are in par with her ideal, she accepts it as hers, while if she feels that the results will not be as expected, she starts retracting. As much as one should accept their success regarding decisions, one should also bear the consequences of decision when they do not match her version of utopia.

This is her major fault, where Bijoy has not coached her to take her failures with grace. But with the current happenings and the way the story is unfolding, it looks like Sonakshi's lesson will be to learn to settle for not being the best in everything at all times. She would have to settle for being good at something and just accept it as what it is going to be.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Those are some great examples Shaavi. I still feel Sona used to troubleshoot them with Bijoy & dada. But agreed... she was less of a inclusive decision maker than the rest of them
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen


Those are some great examples Shaavi. I still feel Sona used to troubleshoot them with Bijoy & dada. But agreed... she was less of a inclusive decision maker than the rest of them


Please don't take it the wrong way, but it was not Bijoy with whom she troubleshooted most of the times. If it was a decision where she knew Bijoy would tell her she was perfect or what she did was right, she usually talked it over with Bijoy. If not it was usually Saurabh, Elena or Asha who would help Sonakshi to unfold. But when they did that it was not always that Sonakshi accepted their advise. Also Bijoy was always a barrier when he saw someone giving her an advice or telling her something negaative.

Ex --Kushal Roy. When Sonakshi came to know that the Roy's had rejected the proposal, she focused it as only the result fo Dev's interference. Here she failed to acknowledge her role in it. She tells Bijoy that Dev should not have interefered, which is correct, but was not ready to listen to Saurabh who told her that her anger was more focused on the fact that she was rejected. As Sam mentioned in one of the previous posts, she failed to recognize that her real faults and flaws were as real as her strengths.


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