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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi gals...all well...Phewww finished reading this thread...excellent views...kudos to alšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘...I don't know how many of you have observed keenly the convo between Vicky and RR ...Dev doesn't have great opinion about Vicky and the feeling is mutual also...still when they left the picnic spot and RR was worried about Golu, vicky's response was "dev bhai will not let anything to harm Golu" this is the trust dev has created in his family...Alas he expected Sona and her family to trust him which they didn't...that's why now she is a "paraya" and not "apna"...if we lookback we will see lots of instances where Dev had been correct but he never bragged...for e.g. he was the first one who understood Neha-Ranveer relationship "barabari ka nahin hai" and it will not work...still he believed Sona...when Neha returned home he neither pinpointed sona's mistake nor stated that he is correct... in spite of her follies Dev trusted Sona but unfortunately sona didn't trust dev...it's a pity that Vicky has understood dev where sona has failed ...again I will not blame sona for her lack of trust in Dev's abilities...we all judge people based on our own experiences...she has seen two men in her life, her baba and her dada...and both of them consider sona better than them and blindly follow her..moreover in her house her mother is more sensible than her father...so based on her experiences she focused more on Dev's weaknesses like impulsive behavior, anger, ruthlessness when it comes to his dear ones and overlooked his intelligence, his ability to charm people and decision making power... post marriage for sona, some of Dev's qualities which she was at awe became his negatives...for Dixits in relationships leaving is not an option and they kill themselves for those (even though they are wicked) if they stay with them during their adversities...can we blame them?...this is their definition for "apna Log" ... they give two hoot for fairness/justice... for them, you can disagree, fight but don't leave... Dev still thinks that Sona's ego has overpowered her love and it has in turn led to the failure of their marriage (yesterday's epi the FB dialogues reinstated his beliefs)...I don't think he was repenting for whatever venom he spewed on the eventful day...he wouldn't have left sona if she has said "get out"...Sona has sent Dev out from her room and her baba sent them out...he wasn't offended by these actions and never let this affect his relationship...so if sona can throw him out from her room in front of her family then she should have taken it at the same spirit when she was asked to leave by Dev... the basic ingredient for a successful marriage is Trust which was lacking in their relationship, hence it collapsed with a small wicked act by Vicky...I have seen this with real couples also...wife will be teasing husband infront of others, the moment husband does the same a cascade will broke down...so if we want equality let give and take right? Yes I agree they lived only for few months which was inadequate to create the trust...as Dev once told sona that what he shares with his mom cannot be described or transferred in 8 seconds...which is very true...whatever happened dev has suffered more causalities than Sona so he is in pain that's why he is very grumpy with her...so I would borrow Geena's words when he says "I hate you" what he means is "Iam hurt"...Fantastic expression Geena...

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: gmgi

Psychology fact - Anger is a natural defense against pain. When someone says" I hate you", they really mean "you hurt me."

After yesterday's episode I have pretty much made peace with the fact that Dev never went after Sona and the Bose family to check how they fared.( I still hope though) But he kept repeating the same thing over and over that it was Sona who left him. Sona and family leaving Delhi, the place where they grew up, worked and had contacts actually made a statement. Sona expected Dev to come after her. He always did. So what made him not do what he does this time around? It was the statement that she doesn't even want to live in the same city that he lives. Just like the Dixits came back to their roots making a statement to the society who hurt them, the Boses also went back to their roots.

There is a saying that a woman choose a partner like her father and a man chooses someone who reminds him of his mother. For Dev, Ishwari was not only his mother but he literally worshipped her. Same with Sona though not to that extend because of the difference in circumstances. But Dev could see the strength he saw in his mother in Sona and Sona saw the caring side of Bijoy in Dev.

The same characteristic that made them fall for each other is now causing them immense hurt. Dev acknowledges and appreciates subconsciously the fact that Sona just like his mother fought the adversities and has brought up their daughter wonderfully. But this same quality that made him trust her with his complicated family never materialized when it came to him. She never fought the world for him the way she fought for their daughter. This hurts him like hell and that is the biggest gripe he has with his ex-wife. What he appreciates in his daughter's mother is making him lash out at his lover.

Sona has seen the caring side of Dev all too well even before she became Dev's friend. All she ever wanted was to be included in that group. Their marriage became a war zone with Ishwari with more than a little help from GKB and her family planting land mines everywhere. Where Dev expected her to help him navigate through this avoiding the mines as much as possible, she made him pick each and every mine to disarm it and finally fell prey to the one that exploded. She never could understand why he was trying to avoiding these instead of facing it head on. But what she couldn't find in her husband, she saw it in her daughter's father. He overcame his fear of snakes which he had from childhood for his daughter. Even though Ishwari and Dixits made it clear indirectly that she won't ever be accepted as a Dixit if she is not able to give them an heir, she knew Dev never thought that way and accepted her as she was. She was able to go back with a six month old Soha only because of that. But seeing him willing to place their daughter his first and only priority, fight for her and work relentlessly to make her accept him makes her happy as Soha's mother but it also makes her frustrated with her ex-husband.

They now know that the other person is as much affected as they are. But they are unwilling to act on it because they don't trust that the other person cares as much as they themselves care. And now since the priority is their daughter they have enough means to interact with each other and don't have to go out of the way to create opportunities. Even though when they are alone with each other the lover's hurt comes to fore, if Soha's well being is under threat they will be a team. As much they are going to admire each other as parents it is also going to hurt the lovers in them and this bickering is only going to escalate. Added to that the frustration of being together but unable to act on it with all the sparks flying is going to create a mean edge to their fights. With Jothin still in the picture and Soha and Golu wanting them to be together I really hope the maturity of the parents take over the irrationality of the mean lovers before more people ends up hurt.

"It is hard to wait around for something you know might never happen, but it's even harder to give up when it is everything you want."




Hi geena

I never acknowledged sry...but ur analysis are always sensible...l always like them...



P.s. Needed to join this forum to convey my regards to writers whom i like to read..most of my posts are like appreciation posts...dontmind...love u all
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Posted: 8 years ago
Suppose a guy loves a hot girl. The sort he takes to the night club, chills at night outs with beer, flaunts her in front of his friends. Treats his very delicate very modern girl like his Princess. Then they get married. Next day morning he happily comes to the dining table expecting a sumptuous breakfast but the girl informs him that she doesn't know how to cook.
Next she wears a pair of shorts and wants to go clubbing but he objects as wives don't do such acts . he ultimately divorces her four months later saying she is not good wife material.

Whose fault is this? The feminist brigade will scream shoot this double standards ki dukaan, this asshole. How can he expect her to change in four months. It takes years. What did he dream marriage is - metamorphosis?

Now let's see a reverse case. A girl knows a guy is immature and tied to his mummy's apron strings. There are trunks full of evidences. She can see that he is horrible at balancing or handling relationships. Still she goes ahead and marries him because she loves him.

Four months later she divorces him because he is immature, mamma' s boy and can't handle relationships. The feminist brigade again screams shoot this guy. He should have grown up the day he got married. He was supposed to understand that marriage is a metamorphosis.

Then people say why is the word feminist used like an abuse?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Suppose a guy loves a hot girl. The sort he takes to the night club, chills at night outs with beer, flaunts her in front of his friends. Treats his very delicate very modern girl like his Princess. Then they get married. Next day morning he happily comes to the dining table expecting a sumptuous breakfast but the girl informs him that she doesn't know how to cook.

Next she wears a pair of shorts and wants to go clubbing but he objects as wives don't do such acts . he ultimately divorces her four months later saying she is not good wife material.

Whose fault is this? The feminist brigade will scream shoot this double standards ki dukaan, this asshole. How can he expect her to change in four months. It takes years. What did he dream marriage is - metamorphosis?

Now let's see a reverse case. A girl knows a guy is immature and tied to his mummy's apron strings. There are trunks full of evidences. She can see that he is horrible at balancing or handling relationships. Still she goes ahead and marries him because she loves him.

Four months later she divorces him because he is immature, mamma' s boy and can't handle relationships. The feminist brigade again screams shoot this guy. He should have grown up the day he got married. He was supposed to understand that marriage is a metamorphosis.

Then people say why is the word feminist used like an abuse?



@payalj wowoowwwow...I am amazed...I was having the same thoughts...but with your apt examples you nailed it...this was in my mind for so looong...that's why in my post I wrote, all the qualities which were his strengths become his weakness post marriage...fantastically elucidated...kudos to you for this...
Edited by Drcs - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Suppose a guy loves a hot girl. The sort he takes to the night club, chills at night outs with beer, flaunts her in front of his friends. Treats his very delicate very modern girl like his Princess. Then they get married. Next day morning he happily comes to the dining table expecting a sumptuous breakfast but the girl informs him that she doesn't know how to cook.

Next she wears a pair of shorts and wants to go clubbing but he objects as wives don't do such acts . he ultimately divorces her four months later saying she is not good wife material.

Whose fault is this? The feminist brigade will scream shoot this double standards ki dukaan, this asshole. How can he expect her to change in four months. It takes years. What did he dream marriage is - metamorphosis?

Now let's see a reverse case. A girl knows a guy is immature and tied to his mummy's apron strings. There are trunks full of evidences. She can see that he is horrible at balancing or handling relationships. Still she goes ahead and marries him because she loves him.

Four months later she divorces him because he is immature, mamma' s boy and can't handle relationships. The feminist brigade again screams shoot this guy. He should have grown up the day he got married. He was supposed to understand that marriage is a metamorphosis.

Then people say why is the word feminist used like an abuse?

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Suppose a guy loves a hot girl. The sort he takes to the night club, chills at night outs with beer, flaunts her in front of his friends. Treats his very delicate very modern girl like his Princess. Then they get married. Next day morning he happily comes to the dining table expecting a sumptuous breakfast but the girl informs him that she doesn't know how to cook.

Next she wears a pair of shorts and wants to go clubbing but he objects as wives don't do such acts . he ultimately divorces her four months later saying she is not good wife material.

Whose fault is this? The feminist brigade will scream shoot this double standards ki dukaan, this asshole. How can he expect her to change in four months. It takes years. What did he dream marriage is - metamorphosis?

Now let's see a reverse case. A girl knows a guy is immature and tied to his mummy's apron strings. There are trunks full of evidences. She can see that he is horrible at balancing or handling relationships. Still she goes ahead and marries him because she loves him.

Four months later she divorces him because he is immature, mamma' s boy and can't handle relationships. The feminist brigade again screams shoot this guy. He should have grown up the day he got married. He was supposed to understand that marriage is a metamorphosis.

Then people say why is the word feminist used like an abuse?

This is called knock out in boxing and a ace in tennis.
You just won many hearts with this piece of writing.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Suppose a guy loves a hot girl. The sort he takes to the night club, chills at night outs with beer, flaunts her in front of his friends. Treats his very delicate very modern girl like his Princess. Then they get married. Next day morning he happily comes to the dining table expecting a sumptuous breakfast but the girl informs him that she doesn't know how to cook.

Next she wears a pair of shorts and wants to go clubbing but he objects as wives don't do such acts . he ultimately divorces her four months later saying she is not good wife material.

Whose fault is this? The feminist brigade will scream shoot this double standards ki dukaan, this asshole. How can he expect her to change in four months. It takes years. What did he dream marriage is - metamorphosis?

Now let's see a reverse case. A girl knows a guy is immature and tied to his mummy's apron strings. There are trunks full of evidences. She can see that he is horrible at balancing or handling relationships. Still she goes ahead and marries him because she loves him.

Four months later she divorces him because he is immature, mamma' s boy and can't handle relationships. The feminist brigade again screams shoot this guy. He should have grown up the day he got married. He was supposed to understand that marriage is a metamorphosis.

Then people say why is the word feminist used like an abuse?



I hope you didn't write this to justify why the words 'independent, intelligent and feminist' are used as derogatory terms towards a woman.

Even if you did then you are generalising what you call the feminist brigade. There are feminists who believe in the spirit of feminism and also in honesty and truth. BTW, feminism is equality of sexes not pro-women; and not something to be achieved by bringing men down but by raising women to the same social standing and opportunities as men.

BTW, I do wonder why you divide the population into only 2 sections. One the so called feminist brigade and the other. Unfortunately, I don't belong to either of your categories!

Perhaps it shows my weakness by even responding to views like this. Take what you may. Off I go!
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Posted: 8 years ago

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I hope you didn't write this to justify why the words 'independent, intelligent and feminist' are used as derogatory terms towards a woman.

Even if you did then you are generalising what you call the feminist brigade. There are feminists who believe in the spirit of feminism and also in honesty and truth. BTW, feminism is equality of sexes not pro-women; and not something to be achieved by bringing men down but by raising women to the same social standing and opportunities as men.

BTW, I do wonder why you divide the population into only 2 sections. One the so called feminist brigade and the other. Unfortunately, I don't belong to either of your categories!

Perhaps it shows my weakness by even responding to views like this. Take what you may. Off I go!


First you could have disagreed without using demeaning linguistic style like why I even respond to views like this. If not fo r the sake of decorum then at least for the sake of the spirit of this thread!

Second I really don't understand why you take every thing personally and try to apply it on yourself? Nowhere did I divide the female population into two.

Please note that what I was talking about was the double standards of the so called hardcore feminists who have totally distorted the meaning and definition of the word feminism and think they are the only well wishers and preservers of female dignity.

I am myself a highly qualified professional working woman employed on a very senior post in a fortune 500 company and a divorcee. Am I not a feminist? I am but I am also fair because I realise that fighting for women rights doesn't mean negating male rights or constantly demeaning them.

I still have my feminine qualities like my maternal feelings and I love to cook and care for my family. And I am not ashamed of it. I am proud of being feminine as my feminine qualities are not my weaknesses but my greatest strengths.

Feminism means equality in every field of life but the definition is constantly misinterpreted to means preferential treatment in every treatment of life.

Heard the famous saying- 'chit bhi mera pat bhi mera angootha mere baap ka' or another version 'chit main jeeta pat tum haare'

If the word feminist is being loosely used as an abuse word today, the responsibility is solely of those women who misuse and exploit it day in and day out.

PS: if you seriously believe in what you said about the real definition of feminism then why react so strongly on an example which simply showed how several people are not following the true spirit and misusing it? Why take it as a personal hit and also start hitting others also on a personal level?
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Posted: 8 years ago
Sona...kyon khud ko aur Dev itna takleef diya...Ye hamko bardaash nahi ho raha hai...aap chahtha hai na, har baar ki tarah Dev aapko manao...hug karo...ek pyaar bhari chappi se aapko heal karo, jaisa vo Shimla mein kiya...magar, is baar vo aisa kuch nahi karnewaala hai...kyunki, (aapki baathoon mein bolega tho) usko lagtha hai ki vo aapki tha hi nahin...varna jo aadmi aapko pyaar karne se pehle hi aapka itna khayaal kartha tha, aapka dilaasa detha tha...uskeliye bahut mushkil he aapse aisa barthaav karna...aise karne mein aapne use majboor kiya...isaliye vo aapko I hate you bola...kyunki shimla night mein vo bol diya tha, aapka thakleef unka bhi thakleef hai.
Wanted to remind Sona why this time Dev is not going to win her back, until she proves to him that she trusts his love. Rewinding back the scenes in S1, we can see everytime Sona was down or Sona tried to distance her from him (whether he knew or not that he was the reason), it was Dev who always went to her. Sona ko yaad dilaane ke liye, me vo sab ek ek karke idhar list kartha hoon.

1. After Sona realises that she is in love with Dev, she couldn't use the opportunity she got to convey her feelings to Dev and then Natasha enters. And on the day Natasha & Gujraal visits IN, Dev comes to know Sonakshi left early as she was not feeling well. He visits her...makes her feel good and even prepares sandwiches for them...thus supports her emotionally & physically.

2. Again on his engagement day, Sona calls Ishwari to inform that she was not well, trying to escape from seeing Dev becoming Natasha's...Hearing it, Dev again turns up at Bose house; spends some time with her & try to know more about her desires, getting delayed for his most important meeting with Gujral. He just could have enquired about her health over the phone; but yet he felt to come in person...aakhir ye donom soulmates he na...isaliye aana tho padega...😊

3. This is the most important day. When Sona, who was always seen as a bold person, spent the time crying over her loss, there Dev realises his love for Sona and even before he confirms it with Sona, informs Natasha about the same and goes to confess his love to Sona.

4. After their first fight w.r.to Neha-Ranveer relation, Sona leaves without informing anyone and when Dev comes to know about it, goes to Bose house and wait for Sona in the rain till she comes out to meet him.

5. After the first breakup, Sona ne fight nahin kiya Dev ke liye...jaldi haar maan liya and for the family's sake agreed to move on with Rithwik...Again it was Dev who stalked her and finally on the day of her engagement, broke down & collapsed...If Dev was strong enough to pass that phase, Sona for sure would have got engaged to Rithwik that day...So, again it was Dev who subconsciously fought for their love that day.

6. Next day again, after getting Ishwari's approval, Dev comes to her, to be insulted by Sona and sent back. For what all Sona told Dev that day, I šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘ her, because it was a much needed dose for Dev. I was just mentioning this incident as another one where Dev came back to her. And after this attempt Dev decided not to force her anymore. So, if it were not for Ishwari's and Asha's interference Sona would not have agreed to marry Dev.

7. Marriage happens...that night again Sona turns her back to Dev. Next day, it is again Dev who first say sorry to her.

8. After Saurav returns the car to Ishwari, again there is an argument between them and Dev goes to office. Sona talks to Dev'a photo, but never thinks of giving a call to Dev and gets busy with bua maa & Ishwari. Later again, it is Dev who initiates the sorry talk, once he comes back from office.

9. Two days later, the big fight happens between them on why Sona needed to fast and Sona insults him telling he was so desperate for physical intimacy. I can tell you, this is the biggest insult any man would tolerate and for a person like Dev who had never seen Sona with such eyes, it was like maligning his love for her. What happened next...On Ishwari's advice, Sona leaves for her mayka, without informing Dev. There again Dev reaches Bose house to get her back.

10. Again, after the fight on Vicky's posting in the office, Dev was really hurt that Sona didn't try to understand him and that hurt tuned way to severe anger when whole day he was expecting Sona to call and she didn't call. On top of it, not seeing her at the dining table, got him crazy. I agree Sona came down in search of him and tried to have a friendly talk...But, again lost the point on why Dev was angry. With all the above incidents that had happened previously, Sona by this time should have understood that this time Dev was really hurt and that is why the person who was always the first to feel sorry and say so, was distancing himself from her. But no, there also her ego was important.

11. Later on Neha's divorce issue, they have an argument and again on Ishwari's advice leaves for Bhaidooj, informing Dev with that outsider note. Again, next day Dev reaches Bose house; manaofy her and brings her back.

12. Again, when Sona comes to know that she is not pregnant, she warns Dev not to touch her as he is a stranger to her. (I know Dev can't be excused here). But, what I wanted to say is that, against to Sona's warning Dev hugged her saying he couldn't see her going away from him and behaved the same way he behaved on the day Sona's engagement with Rithwik got cancelled. And with that one hug, he could pacify Sona a little bit.

13. Then comes the Shimla night...During their first argument that day, Dev already had told her to share her griefs and hurts, so that he could help her out. He had always seen a strong Sona and he couldn't understand what made her so weak and insecure. Sona somewhat cools down. But again gets provoked on Ishwari's interference and leaves the place. Minutes before Sona had agreed to Dev to go with Ishwari's arrangements, as she said, as long as Dev was with her she is not bothered about anything else. So, how could Dev infer what was bothering Sona this much. This leads to a fight and again as usual, Sona starts packing the bag to leave, trying to escape from the problem. There again Dev takes the charge first by questioning her and then later healing her with his care & touch from head to toe.

14. Finally, the slapgate incident happens. Wasn't all the above 13 incidents enough for Sona to understand Dev as a human being and his love for her. Even after the slapgate incident, Dev was ready to do anything for Bijoy's forgiveness; He even called Sona that night to know what should be done. But Sona only told him that she will manage. So he waited for her 2-3days and after getting no positive reply from her, he still went to Bijoy asking forgiveness and in return got insulted. Isse zyaada Dev kya karna chaahiye tha?

Dev believed that Sona was his breathing air, which leaves a person only when he dies. Even without any support from his mother and wife, he tried his best to balance everything in the way he felt was right. As someone has pointed out, His intentions was right; but his ways was wrong. But, Sona the perfectionist, always focused on his weaknesses; not on his strengths. And the irony is that she never realized that it was because of this weak nature that everytime he came back to her. But, this time no. Dev is not going to be an intruder in Sona's life any more. He acknowledges all his faults subconsciously; but he is not going to acknowledge it to Sona until he get convinced that Sona wants him for herself.


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Posted: 8 years ago
@ dreamy.tiara,@Danseuse,@gmgi. Excellent Posts related to last episode. I agree with the most of the points which You have written in your posts. now I will com to my thoughts related to all the episodes from this week. Honestly I like the episodes which get aired in this week because the in this week the entire focus was on dev,Sona and soha. which gives a fresh look and environment for the viewers. There was less Ishu mata and Bijoy this also a good factor. Now the important points which get highlighted in this week that how the dev and sona has started accepting each other as the soha's mother and father and how there facade is now crumbling down. Specifically Dev now it is relay difficult for him to mention I don't care attitute the moment soha comes in the picture. He as accepted and respected sona's role in the soha's life as a mother and sona is now accepting the same. so when they are in front of soha they are mother and father but when they are alone they becomes ex- husband and wife or I say ex lovers who are very hurt and disappointed with each other so they want to hurt each other and they are taking the help of the verbal form. But they still love each other care for each other but the problem is they can't accept it so they take the help of soha. At this moment there hurt and disappointment is much powerful then there hidden love. But now they are comfortable with each other and with out any hesitation able to the pain behind their masks and open about it. now the problem is that they are able to see the different behavior from there partner which actually they have expected. As said in the one of the posts soan as a lover or wife has the disappointment that dev was not able to fight the fear which was related to Ishu mata and that's the reason he was not able to take the stand. He was expecting he will let go that fear at that point which was the disappointed her more. Now he is able to do it for soha. at the same point sona was more supported and helpful to dev when he faces his snake fear she joins him and they try to solve the problem as a team. and she is very much understanding when the things come to his and soha's relation. He is able to the disappointment on her face when soha calls him Mr. Dixit. which he has expected 7 years before. But they are not understanding that this change the reflection of there pain and the things they have learned. Sona is very more supportive to dev in case of soha because he don't want soha should lose the love of love which she has lost which she is missing badly but not want to accept openly.Same is with the dev is more organized and independent because he had paid the price of his dependency and blind trust and warship to his mother so now he is more alert.
Now coming to the Friday's episode it was very good. It was the starting point to many things. Like For the first time dev and sona was very open about the pain and hurt and they still have a problem when they see the other person in pain or danger. By the way Mr. Dixit you required alcohol to bear the pain but when you use the wood sticks for the sona's treatment the pain is going be for sona she was going to feel the pain so why you required it before you are going to apply on the sona's foot. please tells us? I loved that entire sequence it has covered many shades and finally there communication is stared. And as now they more communicate as the soha's mother father they will discover the changes in the other person's personality and more hey want to give them self assurance that the decision they have taken was taken 7 years back was right and it is going to more and more difficult because at one point they will understand their decision and behavior was wrong. dev has already stated to revitalize that .and I am sure he will be the first one to admit that because the have no ego when he accept his mistakes which get turn into the blunders.To achieve this they must live together at least for some days for soha's happiness away from there families lets say for 15 days to 1 month. If they are able to take this decision against there family's it will be the first major step to understand each other. According to some spoiler they are going to show less ishu then this is quite possible they dev and sona will decide to live separately for some days with soha and golu which will increase the trp and move the story.
Now coming to Ishu I am not able to understand what exactly she wants. Her love for soha is going to be weak in front of the fear of sona's reentry in her and dev's life or more specifically in dixit niwas. She simply surprise me and every time I have a feel how much low she is going to low . I think for fer dev is the solution for poverty which she has seen and faced and instead of loosing his son she is more afraid of that. Because at this point she has already lost dev as a son.
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