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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#151

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
@Latha: Even though the emotion in the Soha-Dev scene was there, I couldn't get past the fact that the school is allowing Soha to converse casually with an adult man at all hours. Don't they realise that this is dangerous? And is there no watchman at the gate to prevent kids from running out like that? And Dev himself. What he said to Soha and the way he communicated would have been beautiful had it been in a different context. At her home, her safety zone, with the people she trusts close at hand. He owed it to Soha at least to confront Sona once and figure out if he could do this the right way; that is, with Sona's approval and help.

I think a big part of Soha's confusion and turmoil today came from the fact that she inadvertently broke the promise to her mother; had Sona taken a minute to talk and listen to her kid, she might have known this, and the confrontation with Dev would have been a different nature. I was already furious with Dev, and when I watched Sona walk into that room, see Soha lost, confused, and subdue, sitting alone with the drawing she did of her father, the fact that her first thought was to settle scores with Dev sent me over the edge. Doesn't the kid at least get a hug and an assurance that everything will be alright?

@bold... I thought the same thing. I was like he could be a pedophile for all anyone knows. I also thought it was weird that Sona hears about a strange man in her house and doesn't take it more seriously. Soha doesn't seem like a kid to make up stuff. We know that Bigcha is not dangerous but Sona didn't know that. If it were me I'd be freaking about this strange man talking to my kid.

I would've preferred it if Dev had gone to Sona first. But I can also understand that he may think he wouldn't be allowed. He wasn't told about his child even after they moved back. Plus at home, Bijoy would be there which would be a disaster. I also felt that Dev didn't have a clear idea of what he was going to do. He just got caught up in emotion. Admittedly, IRL, I wouldn't have anticipated Soha to react like that. In retrospect, he could've or should've done it differently but its a case where hindsight is 20/20. So I don't hold it against him.

But it did surprise me that Sona didn't automatically talk to Soha first to understand what was going on. Then if she wanted to blast Dev, by all means.

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#152

Originally posted by: dlavanya

Sam, If i understand Sona's character correctly, i think Sonkashi wants to find out what Dev wants to do next.. so that she could talk to Soha with some expectations (She doesnt want to make any false promises with out knowing the complete picture). Dont think she will try to sabotage anything and will only act as a medium between father and daughter. I dont think Sona is trying to settle any scores. She wants to know what are dev's expectations before discussing further with Soha... lets see what happens tomorrow.

I have to say i really did not like Dev's body language in Precap. it was borderline spooky - with i will pick the place where to meet (similar to what he told aayan when he called him to meet)

If she had even spared a moment to comfort Soha, I would have agreed with you. The fact that seeing her kid like this didn't make her want to rush forward and take her up in her arms was just unacceptable to me. She didn't have to make any false promises, but could have been as honest with Soha as she has always been, told her that she was sorry this happened, that she loved her and that she would make sure everything was sorted out. As another viewer pointed out to me, Soha hasn't eaten all day and Asha reiterated this to Sona. Her first order of business should have been to feed Soha, then after she had gone to bed she could have gone to town on Dev, and I would have been cheering her from the sidelines. As it was shown, her knee-jerk reactionw was highly disappointing to say the least.

EDIT: I am not insinuating that she wants to sabotage anything. Just the fact that in that moment her priority wasn't Soha, but Dev, was a huge disappointment. How can she act as a neutral medium for father and daughter when her feelings are so tangled up and her actions so driven by emotion?

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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sjain

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Posted: 8 years ago

#153

As much as I should have enjoyed episode..Err I feel I couldn't

Well story doesnt look that complicated from here on..according to me
Anyways as much episode had so much happening everything right from first scene till the end..what made things odd for me is the jump from one scene to another it felt like right from Dev telling about Soha to Ishwari to Dev meeting Soha I felt as if few more scenes were required in between the 2 events..but apparently 2 big revelations happening back to back felt as if something is missing..Its not bad to be precise and crisp with the story line but then its a story ..it needs a proper weaving and flow from one scene to another..which has been missing from quite few episodes now..every scene is no doubt quite powerful and bang on but you dont need to have every scene with some twist and turn sometimes scenes are required to join the story to have a smooth narration..which I feel is missing ..I know I might be the only one feeling so..I have no clue why its all so rushed..let the feel of the track stay intact.. A slow & steady track doesn't mean it is getting dragged..or if they have other plans then its a different point all together..but what I assumed the leap story to look like it just lasted for like first few episodes after that it all looks like makers are under some pressure..

Coming to episode..

Its a fresh feeling and Dev has to realize alot..He didnt realize their is 7 years gap between him Sona and Soha..what kind of kid Soha is is still to be learnt by Dev..In his excitement he went and blurted his relation with her..which I understand he was restless and impatient..the whole dynamics of his life changed in 1 day..but He should have given a thought about the distance between him and 2 ladies he has to deal with..Did he expect Soha to hug him and accept him..Why would she..A 6 year old child needs to be prepared for such discoveries Dev..You dont tell them just to feel relieved and light..you burdened the kid by taking it off from yourself..but I appreciate CVs for keeping the characters and their basic nature intact..His impulsive rushed action was not unpredictable ...but was badly untimed

I wish their had been a scene with Dev's monologue alone contemplating the situation, understanding the gravity of it and enjoying this feeling, celebrating it , giving time to sink it in..just feeling this new emotion all by himself

Soha's reaction was right on point..I wasnt expecting anything different from that..she wasnt expecting to find her fahtr when she came to school this morning so it was quite a hard situation for her and specially for a child like her who doesnt express and is too mature for her age..its even more tough..she was confused stunned and torn..which she was bound to be..she needed her mothr in that moment as Dev is very new to her and sharing anything with him is not easy for her..she ran away because she made promise to her mothr..and also she needs to this reality herself that now she knows he is her fathr.what exactly she feels for him..she has to discuss it with her mothr whom she trusts the most and its Sonakshi's duty to help her..like I always say kids are very flexible and mould-able its their parents responsibility to show them right path and here also Soha should be helped by Sonakshi..but also she should let her speak out her wishes and give her required strength..

I wish their was a scene where Soha with her friends talking about their fathr or parents and she analyzing her emotions for Dev and remembering what Dev said and forming some image about Dev just trying to get in terms with this new revelation

Iswari and her such regular normal reaction is so odd to watch..she doesnt have even an ounce of guilt in her..how convenient..now she is aware of her grand child so she wants to go and meet her completely forgetting how awkward she was in front of Asha when she met her few days back..now she wanst Dev to bring her home absolutely forgetting the presence of Sonakshi and totally forgetting the fact that Sonakshi is Soha's mothr..they need to inform her talk to her before making any relationship with Soha ..Its not so easy..really Ishwari..you cant even accept that she looks like Sonakshi then how do you expect Sonakshi to agree to let her come to Dixit house to meet her dadi ji sighh..fair enough you are excited to have grand daughter but the miles and miles of distance between you and her is real and can not be ignored..at any cost

I dont have and wish regarding Ishwari ..she did what was expected from her and no amount of contemplation could have changed her reaction

Soha's dullness her sadness was perfect and was well conveyed..and she talked about it to Asha..poor girl my heart went out for her..she is going through such an emotional turmoil..she loves her mothr but also curious about her fahtr..right now whether she is ready to accept this relation or not I cant say but she is definitely shaken deeply

Asha immediately conveyed it to Sonakshi..Sona's fear was obvious..and I totally understand her..Soha is her lifeline and now even mere thought of loosing her is scaring the shit out of her..I feel for her..her line "ye Sun aur sunflower ko koi alag nahi kar sakta"..I can feel her emotions !!

Oh precap
I see a lot of you not really happy seeing their mini precap convo moment but this is my take on it

Looks like Dev and Sonakshi are back in their war mode LOL and I am looking forward for this conversation..
They can fight and get angry as much as they want to like they have been post leap I dont mind at all but keepSoha away..I expect them to be soft and cordial in front of her for her..their grudges are 7 years old and can not be diffused in fraction of second..and I honestly dont expect that as well..but also they need to be careful regarding their feelings as Ex husband/father and Ex wife/mothr..they have 2 roles to play now as EXs and as parents..I feel reconciliation shouldnt be compromise but a NEED of them as individuals lovers not only as parents..they have too much history,issues between them so sort them out and happily decide to be together also let Soha feel the love of her parents in this relationship not some compulsion

I hope they behave the way I expect them to :) Rest let the scene play out and then will decide what can I say !!

My POV..no offense

Edited by sjain - 8 years ago

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404_NotFound

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Posted: 8 years ago

#154

I have nothing against Sonakshi or anyone .This is the disclaimer because my views might differ from most of the people here .Feel free to let me know if it's against thread rules

Is it just me who feels it's unfair to a father if the daughter is asking how could you keep me happy if mom was not happy with you ? I felt it was Sonakshi talking not the kid ...both husband and wife have the responsibility of making a relationship work .The blame cannot be put on one partner ..a 6 yr old kid is made to question her father's love and commitment towards her mother ..why not another way around . Both Dev and Sonakshi failed as husband n wife but that does that mean they cannot be good parents to Soha .High time someone clarifies this to Soha hopefully Asha might play a big role here

Sonakshi might not be aware of this but if a third person looks at their situation it's clear that unknowingly she has used Soha to settle scores with Dev . Now situation has come such that if Dev wants Soha then he has to bend down infront of Sona until Soha is old enough to understand the complexities of life . I see no future for Devakshi because their patch up would be based on Dev's helplessness and Sonakshi's ego would be satisfied for time being but how long will they survive together.

If Dev was allowed to be part of Soha's life then soha would have got a chance to hear his side of story .I cannot help but feel bad for the father here

Sona could have instigated Soha against Dev but glad she never did else she had chances of losing her child when Soha was old enough to understand everything and the damage it would have on Soha would be irreparable.

Considering the present situation I don't think talking to Soha openly infront of Bose family would be possible so I don't know what what would be the best possible solution in this scenerio .Maybe for his daughter's sake Dev could have let go of his ego and should have contacted Sonakshi to be present during the conversation.I believe coming out clean infront of Soha was the best decision Dev took in a long time because someone had to do this .I agree maybe the approach could have been better

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ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#155

Originally posted by: yyy
I have nothing against Sonakshi or anyone .This is the disclaimer because my views might differ from most of the people here .Feel free to let me know if it's against thread rules

Is it just me who feels it's unfair to a father if the daughter is asking how could you keep me happy if mom was not happy with you ? I felt it was Sonakshi talking not the kid ...both husband and wife have the responsibility of making a relationship work .The blame cannot be put on one partner ..a 6 yr old kid is made to question her father's love and commitment towards her mother ..why not another way around . Both Dev and Sonakshi failed as husband n wife but that does that mean they cannot be good parents to Soha .High time someone clarifies this to Soha hopefully Asha might play a big role here

Sonakshi might not be aware of this but if a third person looks at their situation it's clear that unknowingly she has used Soha to settle scores with Dev . Now situation has come such that if Dev wants Soha then he has to bend down infront of Sona until Soha is old enough to understand the complexities of life . I see no future for Devakshi because their patch up would be based on Dev's helplessness and Sonakshi's ego would be satisfied for time being but how long will they survive together.

If Dev was allowed to be part of Soha's life then soha would have got a chance to hear his side of story .I cannot help but feel bad for the father here

Sona could have instigated Soha against Dev but glad she never did else she had chances of losing her child when Soha was old enough to understand everything and the damage it would have on Soha would be irreparable.

Considering the present situation I don't think talking to Soha openly infront of Bose family would be possible so I don't know what what would be the best possible solution in this scenerio .Maybe for his daughter's sake Dev could have let go of his ego and should have contacted Sonakshi to be present during the conversation.I believe coming out clean infront of Soha was the best decision Dev took in a long time because someone had to do this .I agree maybe the approach could have been better

Agree with you Nitu totally. Not just you but I also felt sad when Dev was questioned by Soha how could he keep her happy. But Soha is too young to understand there is a difference. A husband may not be able to keep his wife happy still a father can shower all the love and happiness on the child .

I agree with you in the present scenario Dev's introduction in Bosehouse may not be possible. If he called Sona to do him the favour I think she would not have agreed to help him without consulting Bijoy Bose. We all know what will Bijoy do. Either Soha would be taken back to Calcutta or Dev would have got a warning not to interfere in their lives or try to get nearer to Soha.

To me Dev's revelation did not look pre planned. He just could not control himself from reaching out to her not as a stranger but as a father. It is out of excitement,anxiety ,love and impatience.He doesn't know what will happen if he waits for more time by letting Soha get close to him. He lost everything in life. Now his daughter is before his eyes. Hence the moment happened. I don't blame him at all. Soha who swallowed her mother's story will definitely cope up with Dev's reality. Just a matter of time.

I can't find fault with him in precap for sounding a little rude to Sonakshi. He must have got angry for not being aware of his daughter all these years. I am waiting to hear Sonakshi's justification.

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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#156

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@bold: This is a really good point! In the capacity of relationships in general, I totally agree with you. And in the capacity of this story, it echoes what I always saw as Ishwari and Dev's main issue, their motto of "teri khushi mein meri khushi." This dialogue is not so much making a general statement that if you can't keep your spouse happy, you can't keep your child happy (which I totally agree is not true) but rather, is showing how impossible it is for Soha to imagine finding happiness in something that failed to give that happiness to Sona; something that makes Sona sad must be inherently wrong.

By using his friendship to spring this revelation on her, Dev very abruptly snatched away Soha's deepest conviction, and thereby rattled her entire world view. She is deeply disturbed by the idea that she likes someone who was so wrong for her mother and she is genuinely scared of the consequences of breaking her promise to Sona. At this time, she really needed her mother to tell her that it was okay, that she would love her no matter what. I was really disappointed to see Sona's prioritiesin this situation.

Spot on analysis and I think that's definitely Soha's issue. And I'd argue that's getting awfully close to a codependent relationship; ala Dev and Ishwari.

The problem isn't the general phrase teri kushi mein meri kushi, I'd actually define that as a hallmark of love and there is science to back that up.The problem is when you have an excessive reliance on someone else for approval and lack of sense of self where you can differentiate yourself from the other person. That's probably the biggest issue I have with Soha being Sona's mini me. She wasn't encouraged to cultivate herself as an individual different from Sona.

More than Sona not reassuring her in this instance that behavior pattern bothers me. Its one thing for Soha to be afraid of upsetting her mom if she visits with her dad. But its another thing entirely to not feel confident in making your own decisions about your happiness. That was always Dev's problem. That's kind why I was also annoyed with Dev's knee jerk reaction to share his happiness with his mom. Its almost like he was looking for his mom for approval to be happy. He's never learned to take charge of his own happiness as he had pretended to do so.

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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#157

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

What I can't accept is Dev's assumption that he wouldn't be allowed. I think he owed it to Soha to at least try to talk to Sona first. As he determined today, Sona hasn't poisoned Soha's mind against him, or has she blocked him out completely. and so he also had reason to believe that Sona would cooperate. They work in the same office, see each other everyday and have each other's phone numbers. If not at home, they could have met in any safe space for Soha with at least one known adult present when the revelation was made. Once he tried, if he was unceremoniously denied access to his daughter, I would have cheered *him* on as he went in the back door. Dev didn't expect Soha to react like this because he made a lot of assumptions or failed to think through the possibilities, and that is where I fault him. His impulsiveness has to take a backseat where Soha is concerned.

I think you said it well that it was basically impulsiveness. And that is Dev's fundamental character flaw.. the short sightedness, the bandaid solutions are all part of that. I guess it just worked for me within the character and the context of the conversation. He only found out Sona hadn't blocked him out in that conversation so it makes sense that the moment he heard his name he took the opening. Probably a part of him felt like she didn't need another adult there because he had already been her friend.

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Aishwarya

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Posted: 8 years ago

#158

I just saw episode. I personally think, Dev telling Soha that he is her father was not being insensitive. In fact, he seemed to gauge her reaction every time he asked her about her dad. I feel like if she had said that she did not want to meet her father (Dev looked depressed there) I think he would have left without saying anything. Even after telling her by gauging from her reaction, he felt horrible and told her it is ok if she did not talk to her, I felt he was being earnest there. I would have been more appalled if he did not tell her he was her father, and did father-daughter meetings chup chupke.

To be honest, because Dev is so bad at understanding emotions (something I have experience in) he did not expect her to be this confused and in debate with herself. He failed to realize that his daughter is in the same situation he was in many years back, because of his mother's wishes he let go of things he wanted.

By no means am I comparing Sona and Ishu, Sona inadvertently did this while Ishu willingly did this and their situations are different as well. But that dilemma that Dev faced is the same confusion Soha is facing. If you remember the cancellation of the honeymoon time, Dev originally says nothing gets angry at everything, but when Dev realizes that Sona knew the pain he was facing, he broke down completly. Soha is not short tempered like Dev, but someone who cries alone like Sona, and hence she did not say anything.

Agreed Sona could have talked to Soha, comforted her etc, but Soha courtesy of Dev genes, is great at hiding pain. Sona herself did not realize the depth of Soha's confusion and anguish. If Sona saw Soha's face, she would have probably understood the gravity of Soha's emotions (which might happen tomorrow).

Being introverted myself, it is not that hard to mask your feelings from your parents/friends. My parents also don't know how I feel about certain things from a surface level. But being a teenage daughter of my mother, my mom will try to understand the issue, not from me, then listen to me so that she knows how much something has affected me. This is not probably ideal for everyone, but since everyone is different, I think that is what Sona was trying to do.

This is purely my point of view, please don't bash me. But by all means agree/disagree with me. It will help me understanding view points. I am a Dev Dixit in understanding emotions! 😆

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dramebaaz.af

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Posted: 8 years ago

#159

Contrary to popular opinion, I think the episode was pretty good although I've felt execution of the show can be a bit better since Day one and this episode could've used better execution to appear more crisp rather then disjointed.

The highlight of the episode for me was two things: Dev revealing his status of being a father and Ishwari's displeasure at knowing that Suhana is a mini Sonakshi in outward appearance and talks

I think both the moments link up to the fact that realization of mistakes the oppurtunity to rectify them is here. Suhana has already pushed Dev's buttons at questioning why she should trust him when her mother didn't believe in the relationship they shared. After all, love isn't a solution for every problem.

Overall I think Dev's decision to disclose his identity may have been rushed by his bursting happiness but it was one of the few not terrible decisions he's made. He cannot form a relationship with his daughter on basis of a lie which he did with Sonakshi when they were getting married. The way he went about it could've been tweaked with him addressing his concern to Sonakshi first and asking her to initiate a meeting between the two. Perhaps that could've led for Soha to react in a way he had hoped.

Ishwari's bubble of illusion is going to break soon by the looks of it. Suhana isn't easily going to leave her mother's side regardless of Sonakshi's own fears. Neither is Dev going to force her to leave her mother. Looks like to me he would finally have to answer to Ishwari weather he chooses solely her or Sonakshi since she won't settle down easily.

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_Payalj_

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Posted: 8 years ago

#160

Yesterday during the entire sequence I was hoping that this was a dream. Dev can't be that foolish and insensitive. He has learnt his lessons in seven years and would not try to introduce himself to Suhana this way or bring her home to meet Ishwari.

Then came the realisation that it was true and the disappointment. But then when I later thought about it, it is a smart move by the cvs.

Dev babu has realised that Suhana is no harry potter dreaming that his parents are alive somewhere and will rescue him from the Dursleys.

The near accident and impending death was the icing on the cake. Now Dev will think a thousand times before blindly following mataji's advice. He has now realised that if he wants his daughter he has to follow the proper channel that is Sonakshi.

He would soon also realise that forcefully taking his daughter from her mother will be very harmful to her. Ishwari obviously wants to hoard things and not cherish children so she would pressurise Dev to get Suhana at any cost.

I think cvs are preparing the ground work for

1. Dev standing up to Ishwari for his daughter and proving that howsoever lousy husband he might have been, he is a good father.

2. Dev and Sona reconciliation considering Dev's acts in point one above.