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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: gt2918

Hello everyone !! This is a great thread I must say for it is so conducive for peaceful analysis.Anyways I had a question.It has nothing to do with the current track but is just a general question.How many of you really think that Dev has slept around with women in these 7 years.A guy who is still so ultra-possesive about Sonakshi-I really find it hard to believe that he would have opened up himself with some other lady.He could have casually dated women,but people often do that to garner emotional support when they are going through a turbulent phase mentally.Also I feel it is too much for the creatives of an Indian show to highlight a male lead sleeping around and then re-uniting with the love of his life.Also his behaviour with Shruti clearly showed that he was miffed even if a female other than Sona touched him.His conversation with Golu regarding Sona after the earthquake and also the way he defended Sona in front of Ishwari after the goons attack episode just makes it incredibly difficult for me atleast to even think of him even cozily touching another girl forget being physical with her.I just want a uniform consensus on this matter so that there is no unnecessary debate regarding Dev's character.I would really love it if at the time of re-union Sona questions Dev whether he has ever been physical with some other girl considering that she knows about him having many girlfriends.Please reply everyone if you could.

Cheers !! Today's episode is massive in the context of the story and I hope low IQ Dev connects the dots and realises Soha's true identity.

Hi

Glad you are enjoying the discussions here. That is the beauty of having polite viewpoints. We dont need a uniform consensus.

In fact, my view is quite different. I would love for Dev & Sona to not be devakshi celibate for the last 7 years.. They are afterall humans and 35 & 33 respectively.

Some more views here

See you around
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Posted: 8 years ago
Your wish is my command😃
I already have a theory on this

Originally posted by: deepsel


So make a mast GM post revolving " How 7 % doesn't equate baby in Shimla for Dev" to relieve my stress😆 (Thank you Payal for the idea😛)

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi



I am not suggesting that Dev and Sonakshi marry different people. But as they are now, it is not possible for them to even see each other without the baggage of their past. Anytime Dev and Sonakshi have a conversation, it is with taunts and hidden anger. They are still blaming the other person completely without realizing their own contributions to the breakup.

Only when Soha is seen struggling will Sonakshi stop with her 'I left the decision to Soha and she did not want to meet her dad' chant. Only when Dev sees Sonakshi's struggle through Soha's eyes will he realize the pain endured by her and how he was responsible for it. Jatin and the new girl is for Dev and Sonakshi to realize that they are hurting other people in their quest of ego and one upmanship. It is not just enough that Dev and Sonakshi love one another, they need to accept it too. Not for others, but themselves. That they cannot live without the other.

This time when Dev and Sonakshi come together, it should be on their terms irrespective of what Bijoy or Ishwari think. For that they need to have a sane conversation setting aside their egos and clear the misunderstandings. Soha will be the reason for them to do so.

Hope I made sense in what I wanted to convey. 😊


Now to justify the third and forth angle we don't required any thing other that if both dev and sona act like soha's mother and father and stop there families from the custody fight. It will make both the parents insure and they will definitively force both of them to go for other partner as they are not having any problem for co parenting. Now my take is suppose if dev understands that for soha the best environment is the bose house and accepts that sona is a good mother and if he is happy if he get some time with soha. then Bijoy can ask sona to think about the jatin and same will applicable to Ishu as dev is not showing the right on soha so he also can moved on. If they show the custody battle and show dev and sona giving the imp. to there parents wish then Ishu will be happy that his son is under her control but if he goes against to her then she will try to get her son back with out any other's help see she want the way by which she want to get back his son. and If dev and sona get civil then both ishu and bijoy will have more problem as there fear will come in the picture as there are chances that they can still come together That what I think some how both the parents want to control there son and daughter life one for the control and one by fear and try to correct the child's mistake and to fulfill there own wishes. When they feel things are going out of there hand then the these additional angles will come in to picture. And I agree with your point this time dev and sona should come together for their love and for themselves without considering what there families want.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi



I am not suggesting that Dev and Sonakshi marry different people. But as they are now, it is not possible for them to even see each other without the baggage of their past. Anytime Dev and Sonakshi have a conversation, it is with taunts and hidden anger. They are still blaming the other person completely without realizing their own contributions to the breakup.

Only when Soha is seen struggling will Sonakshi stop with her 'I left the decision to Soha and she did not want to meet her dad' chant. Only when Dev sees Sonakshi's struggle through Soha's eyes will he realize the pain endured by her and how he was responsible for it. Jatin and the new girl is for Dev and Sonakshi to realize that they are hurting other people in their quest of ego and one upmanship. It is not just enough that Dev and Sonakshi love one another, they need to accept it too. Not for others, but themselves. That they cannot live without the other.

This time when Dev and Sonakshi come together, it should be on their terms irrespective of what Bijoy or Ishwari think. For that they need to have a sane conversation setting aside their egos and clear the misunderstandings. Soha will be the reason for them to do so.

Hope I made sense in what I wanted to convey. 😊

Very well summarised. Dev & Sonakshi look incompatible because they allow external factors to affect their relationship.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Hi

Glad you are enjoying the discussions here. That is the beauty of having polite viewpoints. We dont need a uniform consensus.

In fact, my view is quite different. I would love for Dev & Sona to not be devakshi celibate for the last 7 years.. They are afterall humans and 35 & 33 respectively.

Some more views here

See you around
DQ


I will try to put my views here. I hope I make sense :

1. The general myth is that Men are different from women. For women sex is equated with love while for men sex is equated with physical needs. But from what I have observed in life if there is love and emotions involved for both men and women sex is a part and parcel of only love.

2. But then we are talking about a scenario where the couple is together. Where one partner dies, there also people stay faithful.

3. But Where they have parted and parted acrimoniously, may be a man can have relations just for satisfying his physical needs. In Dev's case it seems impossible because he is too involved with sona on every level and still in love. But then I am not a man and really can't say anything with certainty about the male psyche. I will always look at the situation from a woman's angle.

3. Now coming to Sonakshi I can confidently bet my every penny that she never had relationship with any guy after Dev. Reason no. 1 she still loves him.

4. Reason 2 Being a middle class female born and brought up in India, I can easily judge her thought process. In India women are trained psychologically not to have any needs outside marriage (at least of my generation) . Whether it is right or wrong I don't know, but it is. And it is very tough to think or act opposite to your basic mental make up.

I have been divorced for 10 years but for me it is impossible to even think in that direction. Try suggesting to me that I can take a partner for my needs and I will take it as the grossest insult possible, an aspersion on my character. It is gandi baat, something women of good families don't do.

This is the average middle class Indian woman psyche and that is why Sona was so hasty in assuring Ishwari in yesterday's episode that she had never had an affair though she didn't owe her any explanation. It was not a matter of pacifying Ishwari, it was a matter of reinforcing her own character.

Remarriage is totally different and I am not considering it here.
Edited by _Payalj_ - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

I wrote this on another thread- reproducing it here.

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For me, as a viewer it would be too early to discuss whether Sonakshi is right or wrong to keep Suhana away from Dev, because :

1) Is it clear what has happened to Sonakshi and family in the last seven years? She mentioned in her story that ' surajmukhi' was depressed and then Suhana brought back happiness in her life. Ishwari made it plain to Sonakshi that Dev is still standing where she left him seven years ago! So it's difficult to say who is right and who is wrong!

2) Sonakshi mentioned to an inquisitive person in the school that she has 'separated' from her husband! So, ideally, the law would ask her to share custody of the child with Dev. Why is she scared now, if she is not divorced. The pre-nup, was it doused in the flames that night? If not, Who has it!

Her reason given to Jotin is an eyewash, she is postponing the inevitable. If she wanted to hide Suhana, why come and settle in Delhi and share office space with Dev and live in the same vicinity? She is aware that Dev has changed to a denim styled angry young man, spending time with girls and alcohol. Within no time, if she finds proof, Suhana would always be with her.

So, I can't sympathise with Sonakshi because her struggle in seven years has not been given any voice or FB. Besides, if she was intelligent and smart, she would never get involved with Dev's tantrums. Just ignore and focus on your life and Suhana. Why make your own life difficult?

My heart goes out to only Suhana. I hope she finds what she wants. If her parents behave like fools, it's not her fault, right? Big smile

One more point : Sonakshi hiding Suhana from Dev for 7 years. Can this be equated to Dev hiding her pregnancy reports and lying about her fertility treatment. Can this be seen as 'hisaab barabar'? Because both the lies were to ensure somebody else's happiness. Sonakshi hid Suhana for her daughter's /family's happiness while Dev hid the reports for Ishwari-Sonakshi's happiness?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


I will try to put my views here. I hope I make sense :

1. The general myth is that Men are different from women. For women sex is equated with love while for men sex is equated with physical needs. But from what I have observed in life if there is love and emotions involved for both men and women sex is a part and parcel of only love.

2. But then we are talking about a scenario where the couple is together. Where one partner dies, there also people stay faithful.

3. But Where they have parted and parted acrimoniously, may be a man can have relations just for satisfying his physical needs. In Dev's case it seems impossible because he is too involved with sona on every level and still in love. But then I am not a man and really can't say anything with certainty about the male psyche. I will always look at the situation from a woman's angle.

3. Now coming to Sonakshi I can confidently bet my every penny that she never had relationship with any guy after Dev. Reason no. 1 she still loves him.

4. Reason 2 Being a middle class female born and brought up in India, I can easily judge her thought process. In India women are trained psychologically not to have any needs outside marriage (at least of my generation) . Whether it is right or wrong I don't know, but it is. And it is very tough to think or act opposite to your basic mental make up.

I have been divorced for 10 years but for me it is impossible to even think in that direction. Try suggesting to me that I can take a partner for my needs and I will take it as the grossest insult possible, an aspersion on my character. It is gandi baat, something women of good families don't do.

This is the average middle class Indian woman psyche and that is why Sona was so hasty in assuring Ishwari in yesterday's episode that she had never had an affair though she didn't owe her any explanation. It was not a matter of pacifying Ishwari, it was a matter of reinforcing her own character.

Remarriage is totally different and I am not considering it here.


Precisely Payal... This gandi baat is in our heads. Why does our society judge people based on their private sexual behaviour?

You made a decision to remain celibate after your divorce. I am in a closed, one partner marriage. Why cant sona have a toy boy? Why cant Dev have casual sex? Why cant Nikki be in a live in relationship?

Why cant we(i.e. individuals) be allowed (by the society, in this instance the viewers) to have a sexual preference of their own? just like most people have a dietary preference of their own?

EDIT: I will take this further. How would viewers feel about Ishwari or dadi having another life partner?

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


I will try to put my views here. I hope I make sense :

1. The general myth is that Men are different from women. For women sex is equated with love while for men sex is equated with physical needs. But from what I have observed in life if there is love and emotions involved for both men and women sex is a part and parcel of only love.

2. But then we are talking about a scenario where the couple is together. Where one partner dies, there also people stay faithful.

3. But Where they have parted and parted acrimoniously, may be a man can have relations just for satisfying his physical needs. In Dev's case it seems impossible because he is too involved with sona on every level and still in love. But then I am not a man and really can't say anything with certainty about the male psyche. I will always look at the situation from a woman's angle.

3. Now coming to Sonakshi I can confidently bet my every penny that she never had relationship with any guy after Dev. Reason no. 1 she still loves him.

4. Reason 2 Being a middle class female born and brought up in India, I can easily judge her thought process. In India women are trained psychologically not to have any needs outside marriage (at least of my generation) . Whether it is right or wrong I don't know, but it is. And it is very tough to think or act opposite to your basic mental make up.

I have been divorced for 10 years but for me it is impossible to even think in that direction. Try suggesting to me that I can take a partner for my needs and I will take it as the grossest insult possible, an aspersion on my character. It is gandi baat, something women of good families don't do.

This is the average middle class Indian woman psyche and that is why Sona was so hasty in assuring Ishwari in yesterday's episode that she had never had an affair though she didn't owe her any explanation. It was not a matter of pacifying Ishwari, it was a matter of reinforcing her own character.

Remarriage is totally different and I am not considering it here.


Very apt Payal👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
Regarding Sona informing Dev about Soha, I will like to place my point of view with respect to two points of time.

First seven years ago:

There is something known as theoretical and something known as practical.
Thereotically Dev had a right to know about Soha and it was Sona's moral duty to inform him. She has robbed a child of her fathers love etc etc.

Now practical considerations :

1. You have lost everything you held dear except this one small life inside you. This child is the reason for your living else with the pain you have, death seems an easier option.

2. You are penniless and on the streets, your ex is very very rich and powerful and you know that justice is always delivered to the one who the more influential lawyer.

3. Your heart is too broken, your self respect too trampled to want a reconciliation.

4. You know your ex mother in law will never let you have the child's custody.

4. You have seen first hand how vindictive your ex's family can be.

5. You were made to sign a prenuptial which literally reduced you to the level of a toy for entertainment. You in your anger didn't understand that it was not your husbands doing but his evil mothers plan.

Now what do you do? Hide this fact obviously. Principles and morals are applicable in normal times with normal people not in such desperate situations.

Now let's come to the current time:

You are now rich, well settled and can afford the best legal help. You can't be arm twisted and are the mother of a female child and hence the natural guardian. Prenuptial is not needed.

You can see your ex husband has not remarried and is still hurting. Still you say quiet.

I have absolutely no justification for the current behaviour of Sona and it is very very wrong. She is in fact preparing the ground work of alienating Soha from her. The child didn't want to meet is a laughable excuse. In fact at this point of time dev can charge her with deliberate cruelty.

But then I think maybe she is too scared of the repercussions of letting Soha meet Dev. But it's something she should do fast before her deceptions come back to bite her, hard.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _Payalj_


3. But Where they have parted and parted acrimoniously, may be a man can have relations just for satisfying his physical needs. In Dev's case it seems impossible because he is too involved with sona on every level and still in love. But then I am not a man and really can't say anything with certainty about the male psyche. I will always look at the situation from a woman's angle.

3. Now coming to Sonakshi I can confidently bet my every penny that she never had relationship with any guy after Dev. Reason no. 1 she still loves him.

4. Reason 2 Being a middle class female born and brought up in India, I can easily judge her thought process. In India women are trained psychologically not to have any needs outside marriage (at least of my generation) . Whether it is right or wrong I don't know, but it is. And it is very tough to think or act opposite to your basic mental make up.



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👏👏 Fantastic viewpoints. This is the plain truth of the Indian Society. But, don't you think there is a general shift towards people accepting change. Divorces are common and women are financially independent today. Women are capable and are encouraged to find happiness the way they chose to. Society is changing - for good. Yes, I would agree that the % is smaller than expected. But, at least there is a change.

Point 3 - With the above point, I believe there are some inherent traits and values in an individual which are difficult to change or compromised with. That's why I have not been able to relate to Dev finding happiness in another woman's arms. Alcohol was always giving him the desired escape. (Engagement ruckus). I may be wrong, but I feel its a facade.
If I am wrong, then Dev cannot question Sonakshi for finding solace in Jotin. He has to back off.

Point 4 - Sonakshi's life was filled with Dev and now its Suhana.



-Rekha
Edited by Danseuse - 8 years ago

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