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Posted: 8 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Shaavi

I have a some doubts. I was watching the episode where Dev tells maami and co that it was Sonakshi who brought his building.

In that episode Vickky said that he sold his 49% shares. Were they shares of Dev's company. If so is Sona now partner of Dev's company. I mean I thought Vickky just sold part of the building and he did that thinking he has that power because of that 49% shares. Can anyone please clarify if Sona did buy that 49% of shares from Vickky or is only owner of that building or was that 49% actually percentage of the building space or was it a goof up by the CVS.

The other thing is in the episode where Dev announces that he is closing the trading company, he says to Vickky that he is not closing his 400cr company. In the above mentioned episode xGKB says that her "red" has finally become a "karodpathi". So is Vickky not yet a karodpathi and is aspiring to become one?. Does it mean that Dev just made him the CEO and so Vickky is just supposed to take care of Dev's company as his proxy. Does it mean that Vickky is still poor compared to Dev and Sonakshi?

Can someone help me. I am totally confused... 😳 😕



I will explain. In a company the majority shateholder calls the shots. Minority is nothing. But would have appreciated Dev if he had transferred only 24% of the companies shares to vicky as for lots of important matters like selling of major part of assets, taking loans in excess of certain limits, change of objects etc etc, approval of more than 75% is required.

Vicky had 49% shares and hence no decision making power. That is why Dev told him that he would get arrested for fraud and misappropriation of funds.

Also, since I am assuming this is a closely held company and not listed and I am again assuming that balance 51% are held only by Dev, vickys 49% is of no value as he can't appoint a single director. Bit yes if tomorrow Dev decides to sell even five percent to a bank for a loan, vicky can easily overthrow him by joining hands with the bank.

One person can incorporate several companies. I think traditng company was a different company all together instead of a department. Also there can be several subsidiary companies and one holding company which has the controlling shares of all these companies. For example Tata sons.

But I don't think cvs have invested so much thought process in this they are just using loose words like company wherever convenient.
Edited by _Payalj_ - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#62


I will explain. In a company the majority shateholder calls the shots. Minority is nothing. But would have appreciated Dev if he had transferred only 24% of the companies shares to vicky as for lots of important matters like selling of major part of assets, taking loans in excess of certain limits, change of objects etc etc, approval of more than 75% is required.

Vicky had 49% shares and hence no decision making power. That is why Dev told him that he would get arrested for fraud and misappropriation of funds.

Also, since I am assuming this is a closely held company and not listed and I am again assuming that balance 51% are held only by Dev, vickys 49% is of no value as he can't appoint a single director. Bit yes if tomorrow Dev decides to sell even five percent to a bank for a loan, vicky can easily overthrow him by joining hands with the bank.

One person can incorporate several companies. I think traditng company was a different company all together instead of a department. Also there can be several subsidiary companies and one holding company which has the controlling shares of all these companies. For example Tata sons.

But I don't think cvs have invested so much thought process in this they are just using loose words like company wherever convenient.



Thank you so much for the clarification. This makes sense. But still Vickky said he sold his 49% share. Were Dev and Vickky talking about share of the building or share of the company. Also am I right in assuming that Vickky is not yet a karodpathi and XGKB's dream has not yet come true.

Please clarify... 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: LiveLife321

@shaavi, is it that simple to sell company property even if we consider that there is no bod, their legal department won't come to know about this deal before registration. It's the same legal department who came up with prenup when they got the news that their boss is going to get married. It's too weird to accept that vikky finished entire deal with out any one getting any information about this.



I think it is the legal department which told Dev about the deal and money going to Vickky's personal account. Because Dev does not visit office regularly, his lawyer may have requested Dev to come to office that day specifically to talk about this. Dev tells Vickky that he is meeting with the legal team before coming and confronting Vickky.

Sonakshi might have brought the space with her company name and not necessarily in her name. Hence Dev knew that Vickky sold the space, but did not know to whom... 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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In all this what disturbs d most is the fact that two people who were never able to say I Love You in front of people ..people who were supposed to be their so called family were throwing dirt at each other in public ...in front of strangers ...
does this mean their hurt n anger runs deep than their love could ever run ..or they knew they can express their love in d confines of their room but right now public display is d only way to vent out
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi



I will explain. In a company the majority shateholder calls the shots. Minority is nothing. But would have appreciated Dev if he had transferred only 24% of the companies shares to vicky as for lots of important matters like selling of major part of assets, taking loans in excess of certain limits, change of objects etc etc, approval of more than 75% is required.

Vicky had 49% shares and hence no decision making power. That is why Dev told him that he would get arrested for fraud and misappropriation of funds.

Also, since I am assuming this is a closely held company and not listed and I am again assuming that balance 51% are held only by Dev, vickys 49% is of no value as he can't appoint a single director. Bit yes if tomorrow Dev decides to sell even five percent to a bank for a loan, vicky can easily overthrow him by joining hands with the bank.

One person can incorporate several companies. I think traditng company was a different company all together instead of a department. Also there can be several subsidiary companies and one holding company which has the controlling shares of all these companies. For example Tata sons.

But I don't think cvs have invested so much thought process in this they are just using loose words like company wherever convenient.



Thank you so much for the clarification. This makes sense. But still Vickky said he sold his 49% share. Were Dev and Vickky talking about share of the building or share of the company. Also am I right in assuming that Vickky is not yet a karodpathi and XGKB's dream has not yet come true.

Please clarify... 😊
Vicky is an idiot who thought that since he holds 49% shares of the company he can sell 49% if the property of the company. Imagine holding 0.005% shares of reliance and trying to sell even 0.0005% of its property.

But then gkb and vicky have always been stealing and getting away with it. Maybe they thought that they will be able to get away this time too. Or may be they are pea brained and didn't see the need to talk to a legal expert. Maybe they confused 49% share of the company with 49% share of a farm😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi


One more thing I feel is as much as Dev was responsible for the breakup and the bitterness, Sonakshi was equally responsible(just my POV. Not intended to say that Dev was right or that he did not make any mistakes). If only Sonakshi trusted him enough when they were married to let him see the real her, talk about her insecurities, her fears and her vulnerabilities, they could have been really happily married even with Ishwari's interference.


Thanks, and I completely agree about the break-up. It's not a zero-sum game; saying that Sonakshi was also wrong does not constitute a defense of Dev; it's merely pointing out that Sona's baggage played a part as well. I am not interested in allocating percentage of the blame, or saying who was more or less at fault, but both of them definitely contributed to the ugly end their once beautiful relationship met.


I think you are bang on about where Sona struggled in their relationship. Because she didn't trust Dev, or fully believe that he loved her with the intensity he did, she wanted to sort out all past, present, and future obstacles to their relationship singlehandedly before she let her guard down and once again betrayed how much power Dev had to hurt her. Dev was exactly the opposite -- he was always interested most in the happiness of the present moment (much to his detriment in later incidents). Save for a precious few incidents, like when Sona planned their SR or Dev sent gifts to the Boses on Diwali, they never really managed to meet halfway on this.


After reading your post, I am beginning to wonder, why is Dev insecure about Sona's success in business? It's not an issue of his "male ego," but I think he sees business and finance as the one area where he was more successful, and she could need him the way he needed her for pretty much everything else. His self-worth is so low and so informed by his greedy family, that he sees money as the only thing that he has to offer in the name of love. Maybe he keeps predicting her downfall because if she is successful, then it eliminates what he sees as the last hope of her needing him.


Sona was the only one who was ever able to convince Dev that he was more than an ATM, that he had so much to offer in the name of love and companionship. So at the time of the break up, when she accused him of being obsessed with money, and a heartless robot, he believed her. And once he believed that about himself, it became much easier to accuse Sona of marrying him for his money... after all, she herself said he didn't have anything else to offer.


Both of them are wandering in opposite directions, looking for false equivalencies, because they were never cured of the "mutual pedestal syndrome" that they caught early on in their relationship. Sona tried so hard to become the darling of the Dixit household because she thought relationships and binding his family was the one thing she had to offer Dev that he didn't already have. Dev felt the same way about money, vis a vis the Boses. In the midst of all this potato/potaato, tomato/tomaato... they called the whole thing off. 🥺

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I understand how Sona- Dev(they are not Devakshi for me anymore😛) spat is viewed on equal terms. I viewed it as a victim finally standing up to a powerful bully. I am not good with debates or convincing someone with my POV. so will not venture there.
However, what is the take on firing a poor security guard? ... Just wondering.

Oh and btw, people with no MBA(not even college graduates-Bill Gates), peopel with engineering background(Mr Murthy's Infosys), etc. all make it good in the business world... There are many but don't have the time to quote

I firmly believe a nutritionist can do business and good business at that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Regarding Vicky's position in the company, apart from the formal allocation of shares, I think there is also an informal understanding between Dev and Vicky based on the fact that Dev is the only one who actually makes money. Both of them are well aware of this, and in exchange for the status and income of being a CEO, Vicky sits in Dev's place so that Dev can do his nomad thing. It's a mutually advantageous agreement since Vicky is least interested in working for his daily bread. He only attempted insubordination because he thought Dev wasn't holding up his end of the bargain when he closed the only profit-making part of the company.

I don't think Vicky sold 49% of Dev's company to Sona, just half their office. He brought up the 49% to make the point that he had the authority to make that decision.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: JShukla

I understand how Sona- Dev(they are not Devakshi for me anymore😛) spat is viewed on equal terms. I viewed it as a victim finally standing up to a powerful bully. I am not good with debates or convincing someone with my POV. so will not venture there.

However, what is the take on firing a poor security guard? ... Just wondering.

Oh and btw, people with no MBA(not even college graduates-Bill Gates), peopel with engineering background(Mr Murthy's Infosys), etc. all make it good in the business world... There are many but don't have the time to quote

I firmly believe a nutritionist can do business and good business at that.



It wouldn't be right to question Sonakshi's business acumen because Creatives have not revealed anything yet, on how she managed to build a successful business in 7 years, to earn the Businessperson award. So that's not a debatable point yet. The question is, has she learnt everything associated with building and running a good business? Maybe not. Looking for an office space in a good business district, is one of the important kick start of a continuation of a successful business. Did Sonakshi get this right? Is she hell-bent on proving only to Dev that she has done admirably good for herself in the last 7 years, that she chooses to come and share office space with him? Esp. when she has experienced his attitude and impulsive behaviour? Moreso, because she knows that Dev is not privy to Suhana!!! What does Sonakshi want from Dev?

Firing the security guard is probably, just another way to deal with identity crisis, as Dev still believes that he owns the building and is not willing to part with it. Just like he believes that Sonakshi is only his. 😃


-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Danseuse



It wouldn't be right to question Sonakshi's business acumen because Creatives have not revealed anything yet, on how she managed to build a successful business in 7 years, to earn the Businessperson award. So that's not a debatable point yet.

Well, I think Dev built a successful business in close to 5-6 years and got awards. If we remember, the award function where he took Sona and Ish was one of the many award functions where he was invited. He was even featured and top entrepreneur. My question is why believe one and question another. Anyways, I believe she worked hard. She was always shown as focussed, hard working and intelligent. Itna kafi hai.

The question is, has she learnt everything associated with building and running a good business? Maybe not. Looking for an office space in a good business district, is one of the important kick start of a continuation of a successful business. Did Sonakshi get this right? Is she hell-bent on proving only to Dev that she has done admirably good for herself in the last 7 years, that she chooses to come and share office space with him? Esp. when she has experienced his attitude and impulsive behaviour? Moreso, because she knows that Dev is not privy to Suhana!!! What does Sonakshi want from Dev?

I think she did not realize how much of a trouble Dev can actually be. I am willing to bet that there was a very good analysis done with regards to getting area, prime locations, probable proximity to their business associates, close to area where most employees reside, perhaps it is in Govt's special economic zone, etc... I don't think they can show all.

Firing the security guard is probably, just another way to deal with identity crisis, as Dev still believes that he owns the building and is not willing to part with it. Just like he believes that Sonakshi is only his. 😃

Well Sonakshi is her own person before being someone's


-Rekha

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