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Posted: 8 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: JShukla

I understand how Sona- Dev(they are not Devakshi for me anymore😛) spat is viewed on equal terms. I viewed it as a victim finally standing up to a powerful bully. I am not good with debates or convincing someone with my POV. so will not venture there.

Since this thread is not about debate or convincing, but more about sharing our thoughts with each other, and engaging in productive discussion, you are welcome to share your POV as well, as long as you accept that people may not agree with you, and there is no one right answer.

However, what is the take on firing a poor security guard? ... Just wondering.
That was harsh and unnecessary. But if Dev had the authority to fire him, it's obviously Dev's company which hired him, and it was not really the watchman's job to look out for the other occupants of the building. It certainly wasn't considerate or nice of Dev to fire him, and he did it in a particularly mean way, but I think it's part of the same cuthroat attitude the show is projecting as necessary for business.

Oh and btw, people with no MBA(not even college graduates-Bill Gates), peopel with engineering background(Mr Murthy's Infosys), etc. all make it good in the business world... There are many but don't have the time to quote

I firmly believe a nutritionist can do business and good business at that.
Of course a nutritionist can do business, and Sona has amply proven that. What I wish she wouldn't do, is define her success according to her parity or lack thereof with Dev. She was clearly making a statement to Dev by not giving up the office, and not accepting the 30% profit he was offering her. Dev was ready to end the matter then and there. He treated Sona like any other person who might have bought the building, and offered the profit to acknowledge that he had made a mistake. It was Sona in that instance who decided she wanted to drag it forward by sticking to that location. She knew Dev would put up a fight and make her work life difficult, and I am quite sure her team had scouted out other locations, but she chose to take the path of most resistance. That's a valid choice, but it was defninitely a personal one, not one in favour of her company.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Regarding Vicky's position in the company, apart from the formal allocation of shares, I think there is also an informal understanding between Dev and Vicky based on the fact that Dev is the only one who actually makes money. Both of them are well aware of this, and in exchange for the status and income of being a CEO, Vicky sits in Dev's place so that Dev can do his nomad thing. It's a mutually advantageous agreement since Vicky is least interested in working for his daily bread. He only attempted insubordination because he thought Dev wasn't holding up his end of the bargain when he closed the only profit-making part of the company.

I don't think Vicky sold 49% of Dev's company to Sona, just half their office. He brought up the 49% to make the point that he had the authority to be make that decision.


A company is a person in itself just like Dev and vicky are. It holds and sells property in its own name and has a completely valid legal existence apart from its owners. The only difference is that the way an individual is controlled by its brain, a company is controlled by its board of directors which are appointed by the majority shareholders.

If vicky had sold 49% of the shares, Sona would not have any right to occupy the office space as it's usage would have been controlled by the board of directors that is Dev, the Chairman.

In my opinion the office space was one of the expensive properties owned by the company and the idiotic vicky assumed that since he holds 49% share of the company, he can sell 49% of its property. That is why Dev Could easily scare him with charges of embezzlement.

Also minority power on a company is no power. Vicky was just trying to justify his idiocy.

The only way vicky can get his hands on the 49: property is the case when the company gets liquidated. But for that also majority approval is required and disposal of assets is done by an official liquidator and not as per vicky sweet will.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: JShukla

I understand how Sona- Dev(they are not Devakshi for me anymore😛) spat is viewed on equal terms. I viewed it as a victim finally standing up to a powerful bully. I am not good with debates or convincing someone with my POV. so will not venture there.

However, what is the take on firing a poor security guard? ... Just wondering.

Oh and btw, people with no MBA(not even college graduates-Bill Gates), peopel with engineering background(Mr Murthy's Infosys), etc. all make it good in the business world... There are many but don't have the time to quote

I firmly believe a nutritionist can do business and good business at that.


Business is not about qualification. It is all about temperament. Sonakshi was always too soft hearted and hence Dev's belief that she will not be a successful business person.

Dev is an emotionally weak person in front of his family but a very ruthless person when it comes to outsiders and business.

Dev has only seen the soft side of Sona's. He has not seen that Sona who fired an employee for one mistake.

That reminds me wasn't Sona heartless in her treatment to that employee. the level and financial impact of a mistake depends upon the position one is occupying. Sona's employee was a senior executive. This was a watchman.

That employee made a business error. This employee forgot that his first loyalty should be towards his employer.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I did see a lot of debate on this thread without really calling it out as debate, but as discussion😃. Anyways...

Sam , I don't think Sona sticking to her ground any form of war cry. Why back down in front of a bully. Also what's with Dev offering money to steer his way across. I have shared with Rekha how Sona's team could have zeroed in on that office space and why it could have been profitable. I feel she is really being calm , matured and respectable. She responds only when provoked badly. I still feel the location is profitable to company in the long run.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Payal: We may never know for sure, but I think we can agree that Dev is using Vicky, confident in the knowledge that Vicky has no idea about anything. You may well be right that Vicky assumed 49% of the shares meant 49% of the building. I really wouldn't put it past him; it sounds just like something his mother would think. 🤣
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Business is not about qualification. It is all about temperament. Sonakshi was always too soft hearted and hence Dev's belief that she will not be a successful business person.
No I think he clearly underestimates her capabilities. It has come out in many words recently and even earlier. He continued calling her stupid earlier too. Honest, hardworking, sensible intelligent person can do business. At times people have to harden up a little, but that's in almost all professions.

Dev is an emotionally weak person in front of his family but a very ruthless person when it comes to outsiders and business. .And if we remember earlier even Dev was very compassionate to his employees and they loved him for that. To his competitors, he may be ruthless, etc. Which is fine and good.

Dev has only seen the soft side of Sona's.
I think Sona may not be as soft as earlier but she is still compassionate. And its evident because her employees love her He has not seen that Sona who fired an employee for one mistake.

That reminds me wasn't Sona heartless in her treatment to that employee. the level and financial impact of a mistake depends upon the position one is occupying. Sona's employee was a senior executive.

Yup, that was heartless if it was one mistake. Not sure what that employee did and how much of a mess he had made.
This was a watchman. That employee made a business error. This employee forgot that his first loyalty should be towards his employer.
Hmm, I think a warning and refresher of roles/responsibilities was a better more professional way to handle this.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: JShukla

I did see a lot of debate on this thread without really calling it out as debate, but as discussion😃. Anyways...

Sam , I don't think Sona sticking to her ground any form of war cry. Why back down in front of a bully. Also what's with Dev offering money to steer his way across. I have shared with Rekha how Sona's team could have zeroed in on that office space and why it could have been profitable. I feel she is really being calm , matured and respectable. She responds only when provoked badly. I still feel the location is profitable to company in the long run.


Debate is when you put your POV forward with the intention of proving the other person wrong. Discussion is when you put your POV forward to try and make people understand it, and see things the way you do, whether they agree with it or not. The latter is what this thread aims for, and it is not just a matter of pedantics. 😊

On this we disagree. Dev can be a bully, but offering her 30% was not bullying behaviour by any means. If he had threatened to shut down her company if she didn't leave, and she stood her ground against that, I would totally agree with you. But he was just doing fair business at that point. Why not stand up to a bully? Because these are companies at stake, not just individuals. She told Soha herself, sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war? Here, I think she lost sight of the war in order to win this battle.

I have no doubt that Sona's team did a thorough job in scouting this out as the best location. But it was the best location before they knew it included one contrary Mr. Dev Dixit. After factoring this huge con in, is this still the best location? Or does the second option become more advisable? I am sure her team did not do all that research to find just one location, and with the extra 30%, her budget might have opened up to include even more options.

She is calm and respectable only when she feels like she has the upper hand, like when she took the office and refused Dev's money. The moment Dev takes her advantage, she totally loses her cool and unleashes the bitterness pent up inside her. I for one am glad to see that human side to Sona. It becomes very hard to relate to her when she seems superhuman and in control all the time. I miss S1 Sona who was just as strong and independent, but had very poignant moments of vulnerability.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#78

I didn't hear the word stupid at all. I did hear the words not capable of running a business and gullible..

But they are not the same.

Secondly one a woman takes any business decision we call it professional and strong and when a man takes it we call him heartless?

Why are we so willing to discount a woman's actions. By the way knowing that a person is a hostile entry in the office premises (as per your employer) and trying to make him comfortable is not a small transgression.

Dev only fired him. If I had been in his place I would have complained to the security agency and seen to it that he never got a job as a security officer again. He could not stop them I agree. But he was not supposed to roll the red carpet. At least he should have taken permission from administration officer before allowing them in.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Payal- i think it was clearly called out by Dev and he did mention the word stupid many times so I did not imagine it.
But even if we talk about not being capable of running a business it is wrong for Sona.

I don't know how you assumed I did not think Dev as professional. In fact I clearly called out on his good way of handling employees. He was even hailed by Sona earlier for being such a considerate employer to his other employees.

I am not willing to discount Woman's action. Not sure how that came across in this post. My words were in blue. I said it was heartless of Sona if with just one mistake she fired that guy

About the security guard- I have a doubt if he was sat and explained the newer set of responsibility in new set up. but then yes , I could still agree with firing . And sec guard was fired with just 1 mistake, that was clear.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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thanks Payal, Sam and Rekha for the discussion😛
ab duty pe jaana hai.. naukri bula rahi hai.

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