KRPKAB current track -- My take.... - Page 4

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

What you are saying is obviously the way the story is going to move. It is evident and hints are there all over the place. Agree 100%.

But that doesn't make Dev's behaviour less distasteful to watch. There should be something likable about the male lead and right now there isn't. CVs could have shown some character growth in him. If he is a prisoner of his mother, at least he could shut up his mami. At least!

Sonakshi should have by now been shown telling Dev that she will not tolerate GKbs behaviour. These small things would have created a lot of difference and at least made Sona's character relatable and understandable. Right now she is behaving like a Saint or a fifteenth century woman. Her character is unrecognisable.

We all know what real life is like. We don't need a show to learn it. In the movie kapoor and sons. Sidhdhartha malhotra says his novel doesn't have a happy ending and justifies it with 'does real life have a happy ending' to which his brother says- that is why people read books.

Same is the problem here. We watch a show to feel happy. Not to feel disgusted in the name of real life. Guys like Dev exist but then he cannot be our hero. Women let their parents be insulted in real life to let their marriage survive. But they are not then our idols.

In the end I know everything is going to be all right. But do the cvs seriously need to make the journey so ugly. I know things have to reach rock-bottom to then start the upward journey but there can be other ways of achieving it than dragging the leads into mud

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Harryfan011: Thanks! 😆 I am glad I could help ignite a glimmer of hope. There is absolutely no doubt that this track is bringing all the feelings you describe, but that's just the thing... it's supposed to. There is a reason that the CVs are making Dev behave this way after establishing him as a beloved character in our minds. Dev is a great guy, and there is so much to love about him, but this relationship with his mother is a deal breaker, so what do we do with that? If they want us to really look the problem of toxic mother-son relationships, and comment on them, isn't it most effective to make us feel deep inside our gut how unhealthy they are? If they are not willing to take risks and raise the stakes for their characters, if they shy away from making their audience uncomfortable in the least, then what is the point of raising a complex social issue at all?

That's what I love about this show: it's less a moralising endeavour, and more of a mirror on society. The lessons are not explicitly taught, and it's left to the viewer to make what they will of the events and characterisations. Very rare on Indian TV, and I can see why after the reactions to this show!

@Pehchaan.Kaun: Thanks, that's always nice to hear! 😳 The way I see it, you can look at an action/opinion in three ways: you can agree with it, disagree with it, or you can set your feelings aside and try to understand the motivations behind it. The third one is the most difficult in real life, especially when strong emotions are involved. But since this is fiction, it becomes a little easier to look at the characters as components of a piece of art. The question then becomes, what can this piece tell us about the society that produced it? That's how I try to look at this show, and perhaps why I have always had different expectations and views from the majority on the forum.

Do I approve of Dev's behaviour? Of course not; he's being a total moron. but that isn't the point when I go to analyse his and Ishwari's motivations. Would I be able to empathise as easily if this were real life? Probably not, but that is the magic of fiction. It gives you a controlled environment in which to think about concepts from a vantage point you could never have in real life. As an outsider to the situation, I can see how much Dev is struggling to do what's right without the right tools or guidance, he is messing everything up, and Ishwari is allowing him to in her best interests. Dev is like a Shakespearean tragic hero, with his devotion to Ishwari as his fatal flaw. It remains to be seen whether it will be his undoing, or whether he will learn to overcome it.

@Shaavi: Sorry for the hijacking. I have a lot of thoughts today, and your

post and the replies are insipring them all to come out! 😛

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I was contemplating making a post today to bring some more critical analysis into the forum, but you have done such a wonderful job that I will just piggy-back and post my thoughts here! Thanks for writing this!

First off, there is only one point with which I disagree slightly. During the break-up, had Dev not pursued Sona, I think she would have moved on, but I am not convinced that she would have been happy. She was entering into a relationship with Ritwick for all of the wrong reasons, and that would have come back to haunt her sooner or later. Other than their obvious love and connection, I think Sona fell for Dev because she likes the challenges he presents to the assumptions she has about life. She assumed she understood everything about him -- that he was a spoilt rich brat, who felt entitled to whatever he wanted -- during their first encounters (very Lizzy Bennet), but in proving her wrong by just being himself and having the life he did, he captured Sona's heart in a way that someone like Ritwick never could (very Darcy!). I think she would have eventually gotten very bored in with Ritwick. Of course, there is no saying for sure; this is just my hunch.

So Dev, although pursuing terrible means, was actually trying to pull Sona back from something that would have hurt her in the long run. But when she finally explained to him why she was trying to make that move (despite knowing that she still loved him), he did try to accept and respect it (what happened at the engagement went out of both of their control). That's where Dev and Ishwari differ. Dev eventually tried to let go when he understood Sona's point of view but Ishwari is refusing to do so. As a result, she is gradually pushing Dev further and further away, Two cliches come to mind here: "If you love something let it go etc." and, the tighter you hold onto sand, the faster if slips through your grip.

Ishwari uses guilt as a means to keep Dev bound to their horrible past, and she punishes him with a good dose everytime he forgets that they are not "normal" and attempts to seek out normalcy in his adult life. It was true of the chulha drama, of the sleeping pills, of the blackmail for Vicky's post, and now with being jealous of his relationship with Asha. Heck, it was even true in childhood when Dev made the "mistake" of playing outside, only to have Ishwari deliberately get herself slapped by her employer. Ishwari has created a system where the only way for Dev to prove his love and dedication is by sacrificing his own peace of mind, and making himself unhappy, so that she can get what she wants. And there is no middle ground -- either he gives up the thing that makes him happy or he doesn't love and respect her at all.

This equation is precisely what makes the story, and Sona's entry into their lives so darn interesting. For the first time, Dev actually wants/needs something for his own happiness, and there is a conflict of interest. Giving up what he wants at a moment's notice to restore Ishwari's equilibrium is Dev's autopilot, something he does without second thought, and like you said, it's hard to break a habit that's been so deeply ingrained for twenty years. But he faced the consequences for the first time during the break-up, and he nearly self-destructed. That was when he first asked Ishwari the question, "is this ultimatum -- you or my happiness -- really necessary?" The fact that Dev was beginning to see through her made Ishwari scramble to give him what he wanted -- she had to retain that power at all costs.

During wedding prep and after marriage, I feel like Dev wasn't given enough credit for how vigilant he was. Every chance he got, he was there to defend Sona and make sure that she wasn't being forced to do something that she didn't want to do. He was always suspicious of Ishwari, going as far as to accuse her when Sona decided to take up the vrat. Even when she tried to stall their honeymoon by saying Dev had never stayed away from her, he had clever answers to slip out of her grip. But you have to give credit where credit is due: Ishwari is a mastermind manipulator. With this whole Neha issue, she managed to make herself seem all innocent and helpless once again, diverted Dev's attention, and lulled him into a false sense of security. After all, Dev wants to believe that his mother is perfect, and she gave him what he needed to crawl back into his cave of delusions.

And the biggest problem is that Dev doesn't know how to multitask. All his life, Ishwari made sure he only had to focus on one thing -- money. He has no idea how to focus on two things at the same time. When Sona was angry, he completely forgot about Ishwari and when Ishwari was giving him the silent treatment, Sona and her family became expendable. It's a compeltely unsustainable model, because Dev refuses to acknolwedge that his happiness is tied up with that of others. Make Sona and her wonderful family unhappy and see how you sleep at night! This is where the big lesson lies for Dev, and I am very excited to watch him grow up. Sona is also playing her part in this. She knows she can't contend with the psychological ties that bind Ishwari and Dev yet, so she is starting with the physical: let Dev take care of his own stuff. Ishwari is so confident that Sona's experiement would fail, but I am betting Dev finds a unique pleasure in the independence he will gain through this exercise.

Apparently, I had more thoughts than I had bargained for! Sorry for the ramblines of this post😛

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

I was contemplating making a post today to bring some more critical analysis into the forum, but you have done such a wonderful job that I will just piggy-back and post my thoughts here! Thanks for writing this!

As usual your analysis is magical & thought provoking.

Day before y'day after the last 10sec scene, i was really mad on cv's since i am not getting why they are roaming in circles & playing around. After seeing the complete Dev-Ishwari scene in y'day's episode i was more calm & got more clarity that they are not just playing around, infact its the build-up for the upcoming big blow. I was away from forum y'day so that i can gather my thoughts in a proper way and i am really happy to see this amazing analysis and wonderful discussion thats happening here.

First off, there is only one point with which I disagree slightly. During the break-up, had Dev not pursued Sona, I think she would have moved on, but I am not convinced that she would have been happy. She was entering into a relationship with Ritwick for all of the wrong reasons, and that would have come back to haunt her sooner or later. Other than their obvious love and connection, I think Sona fell for Dev because she likes the challenges he presents to the assumptions she has about life. She assumed she understood everything about him -- that he was a spoilt rich brat, who felt entitled to whatever he wanted -- during their first encounters (very Lizzy Bennet), but in proving her wrong by just being himself and having the life he did, he captured Sona's heart in a way that someone like Ritwick never could (very Darcy!). I think she would have eventually gotten very bored in with Ritwick. Of course, there is no saying for sure; this is just my hunch.

So Dev, although pursuing terrible means, was actually trying to pull Sona back from something that would have hurt her in the long run. But when she finally explained to him why she was trying to make that move (despite knowing that she still loved him), he did try to accept and respect it (what happened at the engagement went out of both of their control). That's where Dev and Ishwari differ. Dev eventually tried to let go when he understood Sona's point of view but Ishwari is refusing to do so. As a result, she is gradually pushing Dev further and further away, Two cliches come to mind here: "If you love something let it go etc." and, the tighter you hold onto sand, the faster if slips through your grip.

I always felt that their initial break-up and patch-up were incomplete, like something is missing. I think that was just a trailer and actual picture is yet to release. I never felt Dev's break-up decision is an impulsive decision. He thought that if his mother is happy then he too can live happily but very little he knew how much Sona became part of him by that time. This he understood only after break-up & that fear still haunts him. When Sona wanted to enter in to new relation with Ritwik, i felt she wanted to show that if dev can remove her from his life then she too can move on simply. Both failed in their attempts. In the initial break-up time, both tried to stay strong then first Dev gave up. After knowing about Ritwik, he tried to hold on with force stubbornly but after their sane conversation in his cabin when Tina called Sona, I think he accepted what Sona said & respected her decision to end it there. What all happened after that is a different story.

Ishwari uses guilt as a means to keep Dev bound to their horrible past, and she punishes him with a good dose everytime he forgets that they are not "normal" and attempts to seek out normalcy in his adult life. It was true of the chulha drama, of the sleeping pills, of the blackmail for Vicky's post, and now with being jealous of his relationship with Asha. Heck, it was even true in childhood when Dev made the "mistake" of playing outside, only to have Ishwari deliberately get herself slapped by her employer. Ishwari has created a system where the only way for Dev to prove his love and dedication is by sacrificing his own peace of mind, and making himself unhappy, so that she can get what she wants. And there is no middle ground -- either he gives up the thing that makes him happy or he doesn't love and respect her at all.

@Bold: BANG ON!!!!

Ishwari is always about Me & Myself. There is no doubt that she is a master manipulator and plays her moves very cleverly and more smartly. She can go to any extent to save her goddess image and hold on to her control on Dev. She can even stab him and say I am innocent, he only asked for it.

This equation is precisely what makes the story, and Sona's entry into their lives so darn interesting. For the first time, Dev actually wants/needs something for his own happiness, and there is a conflict of interest. Giving up what he wants at a moment's notice to restore Ishwari's equilibrium is Dev's autopilot, something he does without second thought, and like you said, it's hard to break a habit that's been so deeply ingrained for twenty years. But he faced the consequences for the first time during the break-up, and he nearly self-destructed. That was when he first asked Ishwari the question, "is this ultimatum -- you or my happiness -- really necessary?" The fact that Dev was beginning to see through her made Ishwari scramble to give him what he wanted -- she had to retain that power at all costs.

During wedding prep and after marriage, I feel like Dev wasn't given enough credit for how vigilant he was. Every chance he got, he was there to defend Sona and make sure that she wasn't being forced to do something that she didn't want to do. He was always suspicious of Ishwari, going as far as to accuse her when Sona decided to take up the vrat. Even when she tried to stall their honeymoon by saying Dev had never stayed away from her, he had clever answers to slip out of her grip. But you have to give credit where credit is due: Ishwari is a mastermind manipulator. With this whole Neha issue, she managed to make herself seem all innocent and helpless once again, diverted Dev's attention, and lulled him into a false sense of security. After all, Dev wants to believe that his mother is perfect, and she gave him what he needed to crawl back into his cave of delusions.

Its making more sense now. When Dev q'ed Ishwari "You wanted to know whom i love most, you or Sonakshi?", I never understood from where this Q came. Subconsciously, I think he knows about Ishwari's issues very well its just that he is not ready to accept that as a problem may be out of his unconditional love for his mom. I think this will be addressed with the coming track. Now a days, I am keeping my hopes very low to save myself from disappointments since more than Dev, I am afraid of our makers & cv's unconditional love & devotion for Ishwari's character.

And the biggest problem is that Dev doesn't know how to multitask. All his life, Ishwari made sure he only had to focus on one thing -- money. He has no idea how to focus on two things at the same time. When Sona was angry, he completely forgot about Ishwari and when Ishwari was giving him the silent treatment, Sona and her family became expendable. It's a compeltely unsustainable model, because Dev refuses to acknolwedge that his happiness is tied up with that of others. Make Sona and her wonderful family unhappy and see how you sleep at night! This is where the big lesson lies for Dev, and I am very excited to watch him grow up. Sona is also playing her part in this. She knows she can't contend with the psychological ties that bind Ishwari and Dev yet, so she is starting with the physical: let Dev take care of his own stuff. Ishwari is so confident that Sona's experiement would fail, but I am betting Dev finds a unique pleasure in the independence he will gain through this exercise.

I feel there will be physical separation between Dev-Sona and emotional separation between Dev-Ishwari in the near future. I think unknowingly Sona is helping & preparing him to handle himself in those tough times by teaching him how to be independent now. As you said, Even though he may be irritated & annoyed initially, slowly he will love this change.

Apparently, I had more thoughts than I had bargained for! Sorry for the ramblines of this post 😛

@ Shaavi

What I meant by wasting 60 odd episodes is I don't see the characters behaving any different if the marriage had happened without the pill popping, stalking and jholi failaoing drama. But after going through the entire thread and some thinking, the differences I could spot

Sabotage? Yes, The difference is subtle, the first separation was a direct outcome of Ishwari's action; the pill popping. That is exactly why Sona agreed to Ishwari's begging and accepted the proposal. Now she is at her manipulating best, where the outcome will not be directly her doing but Dev's and hence he will have to do all the manaoing.

This is the most glaring and obvious difference between then and now is how Dev absolutely is aware of what Sonakshi's absence can do to him. I also feel that the Pre-nup and Infertility will not have the same steam if not for the initial separation.

@ Sam

Please keep making posts as often as you can. You, Sabita and Shaavi here have brought in the objectivity which we all need from time to time to keep our sanity and continue watching the series.

I agree with you that Dev did Sona a favor by not letting her marry Ritwik, she would have been unhappy in the long run. But for Dev's arrogance and his devotion to his Ma he pretty much makes a decent life partner. But this arrogance is what challenges Sona's outlook and she finds a thrill in this which would have been missing with Ritwik.

Atually I have always felt that Dev was ready to grow out of this codependent relationship for quite sometime just didn't have the right motivation and now that he does he just doesn't know how to. The fact that he had no qualms in calling Asha maa but retracted only because of Ishwari's insecurity shows that. He has been vigilant not just of Sona's feeling but his mother's too since the wedding. While everyone is calling him clueless, I feel he is fully aware of the extent of his mothers insecurities. One of the reasons he is not often vocal in his support of Sona being his experience of the incidents leading up to the pill overdose; family picture, shopping, halwa incident where he prioritised Sona. And the Diwali incident where Ishwari went alone to distribute blankets also was a reminder for him that he needs to be even more vigilant of his duties as a son. Hence the silence at Boses and subsequent OTT efforts of manaoing her. Like you said he is not good at multitasking and has some very important lesson to learn.