the human side of ishwari

Originally posted by: Push-pull

I am not gonna comment on what's yet to happen on the show.. the promo or the precap are only to keep us hooked and jump into assumption and conclusion. I will wait till the episode is aired to see what's happening with Ishwari and what's the reaction of Dev. And what happens to Sona in all this mom-son duo's love relationship.

But want to put forth some thoughts about the emotional turmoil that the makers are trying to play around with

1. An emotional mother who is completely dependent upon her son for everything.. In fact for her own survival too..

Every one of us is born as individuals for some reason. Or else we can all be conjoined to be born together with same emotions for each other and die together for the loss of the other. Bonding and relationship are part of the life to steer us towards many support system that nature can shower on us. Appreciating this beauty of nature shows our real understanding of our life's purpose. If we are tying ourselves too much into the worldly possessions be it materials or people we are only trying to glorify ourselves for an immortal life, not ready to be done here and never ready to be gone from here...

Are we expecting Dev to pamper her and convince her that she will never be replaced and his love for her will never change?! Are we being practical here?! Changes are meant to be part of the nature. Is Ishwari to be in the expectation that Dev would never be happy in his life after Ishwari is gone from the world? If not she can come and haunt him in his life anytime when he smiles and laughs forgetting her ?!

Dev sure has to be blamed for keeping a high expectation for his mom by his hi-fi promises and beautiful words and adorable actions which are hard for her to forego.. But certain things gotta be done... Dev has to start that change.. NOW!!! Else Ish will never learn different ways to lead her life and will never be able to let go... She can't be kept on in an illusion that she's everything to her son and vice versa... Did she die of shock the moment she gotta know that her son has a life of his own away from her? If she had then sure their bond is something special and underestimated by others...

yes we so often attach ourselves so much with our loved ones that we often shudder to think wat we will do once they depart from this world. however i am not saying that dev shud pamper ishwari and make her believe that she will always be everything in his life...wat i mean to say that ishwari is currently suffering from insecurity that her son will not gv her the attention that she has enjoyed so far...and dev is to blame for that...he never lied to her till he fell in love...but i mainly talking about the material time that they spend tog...previously dev used to spend all his free time with her...now he returns home late since he spends time with sona after office...now we hardly get to see any ish-dev scene whereas in earlier episodes we cud see so many ish-dev moments...

the main thing is ish is now feeling lonely and for that i will blame her since she never built the bond with her daughters...so now that dev is spending less time with her neither of her daughters r bothering to compensate resulting in ish missing the moments she used to spend with dev...

so it is dev to make her understand that he still enjoys moments that he spend with her...the way he went to buy sari with sona instead of ish and the way he took sona along during the last day shopping ish is bound to feel that dev does not enjoy her company anymore...herein is born ish's depression...so i am not saying dev shud convince her she is everything in his life but that her position in his life will always remain intact even if he gets married and hv kids of his own...

2. An emotional son who is completely oblivious to his surroundings and the impact that his words or actions are bringing upon the people he claims to call his own...

He's all about beautifully peotic and wonderfully ideal. Let him lose it and take it easy to deal with people and materials more practically. It can't be about all or nothing.. Enjoy the beauty of relationship in its own flavor and not trying to idoloze everything about it. Keep it simple and real... If he tells the world that his mother is everything to him and all these changes interim shouldn't have happened. He must have had the most contended and satisfied life with his mother blessing him all the while. And if he believes that there is no other place better than his mother's lap for him to heal, then he's only betraying himself big time. Then when his mother is gone from the world he cannot survive even for a day... If he's gonna be dead on seeing his lifeless mother, then agree there is sure a special connection beyond the worldly understanding...

that is y i said dev is the one who created this thinking in ishwari that she is everything for dev...the way he said once he doesnt love ma but worships her like bhagwan...i found that way too much...and then now lying to her wen he is out with sona...contradicting her decisions that sona is still not a family member...i am not saying dev is right or wrong her...but it is dev who always made her feel that she is bhagwaan and we all know bhagwaan can never be wrong...

so wat ishwari is seeing...in earlier times dev used to regard her words as the last words but today he has his say and she thinks this is because sona in taking him away from her...

3. An emotionally attached Sona, to the complications of the love story that she brought upon herself..

She sure can be hurt and upset. And she sure has every right to be angry with the people who put her through the state that she is in. And if she continues to decide being in the same state blaming everyone for that then she's gonna be ditching all the lovely lessons she has learned from her lovely family. By holding on to the grudge, one cannot move on. And by not wanting to move on, one cannot live a life. What a waste of mankind... There are very few in love who lose their life the moment the other is gone from them.. It's a divine connection rare to witness...

i cant talk about sona since i cant say how she will sustain after the breakup...i will reserve my comment on this character...

Originally posted by: adoremevirgo

yes we so often attach ourselves so much with our loved ones that we often shudder to think wat we will do once they depart from this world. however i am not saying that dev shud pamper ishwari and make her believe that she will always be everything in his life...wat i mean to say that ishwari is currently suffering from insecurity that her son will not gv her the attention that she has enjoyed so far...and dev is to blame for that...he never lied to her till he fell in love...but i mainly talking about the material time that they spend tog...previously dev used to spend all his free time with her...now he returns home late since he spends time with sona after office...now we hardly get to see any ish-dev scene whereas in earlier episodes we cud see so many ish-dev moments...

the main thing is ish is now feeling lonely and for that i will blame her since she never built the bond with her daughters...so now that dev is spending less time with her neither of her daughters r bothering to compensate resulting in ish missing the moments she used to spend with dev...

so it is dev to make her understand that he still enjoys moments that he spend with her...the way he went to buy sari with sona instead of ish and the way he took sona along during the last day shopping ish is bound to feel that dev does not enjoy her company anymore...herein is born ish's depression...so i am not saying dev shud convince her she is everything in his life but that her position in his life will always remain intact even if he gets married and hv kids of his own...

i hv actually tried to explore why ishwari is in such state that she is contemplating doing harm to herself if not suicide...i am not speculating why she will exactly take the pills or wat will be its consequences since for that i hv to wait for the episodes to air...

and finally thanx a lot for the reply...i find ur post enriching and discussions and counter-discussions r always welcomed in my thread 😳😃

Originally posted by: adoremevirgo

that is y i said dev is the one who created this thinking in ishwari that she is everything for dev...the way he said once he doesnt love ma but worships her like bhagwan...i found that way too much...and then now lying to her wen he is out with sona...contradicting her decisions that sona is still not a family member...i am not saying dev is right or wrong her...but it is dev who always made her feel that she is bhagwaan and we all know bhagwaan can never be wrong...

so wat ishwari is seeing...in earlier times dev used to regard her words as the last words but today he has his say and she thinks this is because sona in taking him away from her...

i hv actually tried to explore why ishwari is in such state that she is contemplating doing harm to herself if not suicide...i am not speculating why she will exactly take the pills or wat will be its consequences since for that i hv to wait for the episodes to air...

and finally thanx a lot for the reply...i find ur post enriching and discussions and counter-discussions r always welcomed in my thread 😳😃

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

Wonderful post & awesome point of discussion.

Yes. I completely agree with you that Dev is equally responsible for Ishwari's current state. He made her GOD and she enjoys being in that position. She is not ready to loose that position in Dev's eyes & thats the exact reason of her recent changing colors(behavior) before Dev & Sona.

From SBS segments, what i understood is Dev is gonna understand about this mess from Ishwari-Mama conversation in hospital. Thats actually good because i dont think she will ever drop her holy mask before Dev by herself. He need to see her raw human side first to solve all these issues. Now the point is about the execution of actual plot. Finally he is going to see her human side means he is gonna get a idea of her insecurities & mistakes. At this point of time, If he is again going to pamper her like before & sit and sing "Meri maa mahan hai. Meri maa Bhagawan hai" bhajan then its not going to help any one. He need to treat her like a human then only he can understand others pov(Neha's or Sona's) wrt his mother because he is the only person who can help her. I am just waiting patiently for the actual story to get unfold & dont want to draw conclusions based on spoilers.

Honestly speaking, i dont think a simple discussion between mother-son will solve this issue. After seeing her amazing performance in Halwa scene, I think she surely need some help(counselling) because at present she is not ready to see anything beyond her ego, pride, position & happiness. This is just my pov.

Originally posted by: Push-pull

@bold: exactly.. not everything can be sorted out with a simple calendar or timetable.. Dev can't be always on the fence to keep on explaining his actions and proving his love for his mother.. and how much is enough for Ishwari?! Like Dev, she too wants all of him for herself.. Sharing the love is a far cry.. she can't even imagine him thinking about another woman.. Even if its Tina as a office secretary.. If it goes by her ways she will get into a English learning course to join Dev at his office 😆

Ishwari is in every mother but that was of the earlier one.. the one portrayed now is completely drama driven and beyond reality.. mothers are there who wants the son to get married but have his love shared within control without being surrendered to the woman of his life... That's more to do with their own need to be in control and also not wanting their son to be taken for a ride by the newcomer.. When they command him it's different but when the girl orders him around then the mother can't take it easy.. That's the kind of Ishwari existing in every mother.. this kind is more of a mental instability calling for every mother to be admitted in hospital for psychology treatment.. 😆

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

@Bold : Bang on.. Its a million dollar Q from my side also. Some time back i have mentioned the same point in rogerrocks post also.

Why a son or daughter need to prove their responsibility towards their parents always? Parents doesn't have any responsibilities towards their kids or their happiness? Why Dev need to prove himself as a obedient & dutiful son every bloody single time and how long he will be feeding her ego & pride going through these endless tests? Show me one single instance where she proved herself as a good mother to any of her kids? Don't even try to justify or glorify Ishwari's acts after the upcoming pills drama. This is going to damage the show very badly because even viewers will have certain tolerance level in taking crap.