wtf -- 12 aug '09 -- catching up with prem-heer :/ - Page 5

Originally posted by: khushix

Hey E..
So good to see u back.. :)
welcome back!..

thanks, my mod-am! *bowing deep in front of my captain*

i am sooooo glad to be back! *forgetting the formalities and hugging khushi hard!* 😆

Originally posted by: divya_p

Reserved.

😡 Yes this angry face is for you, estee! I am very very mad at you! you'll find out later when i reply to your wtf..but i am seriously mad. 😡

🤔 *remembering prem's voice when he was with heer in the garden on harman's wedding day*

''itna gussa?''

that bad i have been? 🤔 why are you so very mad, divya? what did i say?? *whistling tunelessly as i wait to hear...*

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Oh and this serial has been just so frustrating ever since the rajhistan track was over ... it has been headache all throughout ... lot of hair pulling ... i dunno when i was last able to enjoy the show with a peaceful mind i mean really enjoy it in the true sense of the word may be when Prem saved heer in rajhistan?

😆 i've never been able to watch this show with a ''peaceful mind''!! 'cause no matter when -- there was always a moron character that was totally evil to worry about!

don't believe me? watch!

1. dirtchachi
2. dirtchachi + brainless bauji 😆
3. dirtchachi + vitchface veera (immediately after ajmer storm! remember??)
4. vitchface veera + ratpal
5. vitchface veera + ratpal + kooky-chachi
6. vitchface veera + ratpal + kooky-chachi + ... yamraj! (when prem apparently died -- script kay naam pay kalank story line! 😡)
7. dirtchachi + vitchface veera + ratpal
8. ratpal
9. ratpal 😡 *just 'cause he was such a rat!*
10. hip-hop prem keeping heer at arm-leg-body length away!! 😡
11. hip-hop + delhi-doctor + gaurav mother!
12. vitchface veera + maya
13. vitchface veera + maya + gementor 😭
14. vitchface veera + maya + gaali-maa
15. gaali-maa
16. gaali-maa-post-tls (who appears to have gone totally insane!)

with this list of creeps around, i've never really watched this show with ''peace of mind''.

but at least until 16., i always knew prem-heer-are-one were fighting. now? they are totally .. chaotic!

and there comes the difference between your enjoying the show vs. me. i think that (if i didn't mind the stoooopid little bits that used to make me roll my eyes occassionally) before tls, i thought the story was cool. *thinking* except for the time that prem was sooo into playing hip-hop that he could behave so cold and distant and cruel to heer -- leaving her at shiv mandir and driving off, driving off after pushing her away at that round-and-round-the-fire ceremony at ratpal's place, etc, etc. or even the final reason they gave us for prem to have faked his death and stayed away from heer!!!!!

'cause during all these times, there was not a shred of a doubt in my head that prem-heer-are-one; that after that first time that prem fought for heer and walked away from his bauji for her, either one or both of them were always fighting for prem-heer-are-one.

but now? prem is guilt-ridden and pussy-footing around heer who is spitting like a female cat telling the male cat to stay the heck away from her!

and somehow? me not enjoying this cat-version of prem-heer-are-one.

and i don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with me getting butt-scratched by a cat last month!!

😆

'kay, 'kay! not much anyway... 😆😆😆

Originally posted by: lilsasha

Estee on Mission Reply....😆 I think it will take you whole weekend to reply to so many long posts.... we all taking revenge you see... 😆

Originally posted by: sshekar

Hiya E!!
🤗 I have been wondering about you...how are you feeling now?

smits!!! *biting down hard on the urge to rush into smit's arms for a cuddle and acting like an adult instead... then pausing to wonder why the heck i'm doin' that and rushing in anyway! 😆*

I am indeed getting tired of Heer giving the same excuse over and over again, when I think there is more. I realize I am one of the few, but will hang on to my belief until proven otherwise.

*now understanding why i need to rush into that hug -- to clutch smits' shoulder and sob in relief that i'm not the only one seeing such things!*

Prem...*sigh* I don't think he has really given up on Heer...he is just wary..and feeling guilty as hell...and I think it is his guilt that is coloring his approach to Heer. Other than that, I really dunno what else to think 🤔

me too! but what i can't stand *i can't smits, i really can't! 😔* is that he is still there after six years!!! can't he have figured out he didn't do that ... thing six years ago, smits? can't he??

*sigh* y'know what i'm forcing myself not to think now? that if they are really gonna do wiht prem and heer what they started their story with, that means:

• prem will keep trying to ''get heer'' in his round-about way
• heer will keep mouthing confused lines about how she can't be with him even though she loves him to death
• prem will approach marriage ceremony.
• before the day of marriage, heer will discover ashlesha had lied. repeat of heer standing in the middle of nowhere crying about how she was sorry to have made prem cry.
• evil gaali-maa will blackmail her (kidnapping phukda???!) to keep quiet while prem is about to get married
• heer will cry for pharishta 😆
• someone will come and rescue phukda and bring her to heer just as prem will start on his rounds. (someone == preet? meher? harman? ooh, nihaal??!!! where is he anyway??!)
  
• heer will set fire to the mandap, grab prem, sweep him up on her strong white steed, which phukda has brought into the marriage hall, and all three of them will ride off under the kindly light of the prem-heer-are-one moon!

er... 'kay. maybe there will be a car, and not a white steed. but i think the rest could happen -- if the past is anything to go by. no? 🤣

Gaali-ma - the less said the better. Yes, she is scary!! And her revenge stems out of her loss of Veera...so she is doing this for herself, and not for her daughter as she claims.

ya.. it's kinda stomach churning to see where she has reached just now. what is really chilling is how she does the flip between sweet daadi-ma to phukda and then blank-eyed inexorable hatred for heer, no? *shiver*

*sigh* i just want to know that one day we will actually have a prem-heer-are-one with no enemies around them, who will be smiling and holding hands in that same old fashioned prem-heer way, watching their nine kids playing football in the park and lean in for a kiphph while the kids aren't watching them.

is that too much to ask for? is it??!

😆

Originally posted by: Garima93

Hey Estee! Welcome Back! 🤗
thanks garima. and i'm glad you think the stuff i write is worth a read. 😃

I also never really wanted the leap to happen, but when things started getting better I actually started enjoying it, but now a days, its getting a bit dragged and repetitive, I mean, can't there be other ways to get Heer back in to Prem's life?! Do they really need a third person in between them? Sometimes, I just don't get the logic of these creatives!

well, take that thought and walk into my world, and i can still not see why they had to do the time shift.

I also agree that HC is kind of losing the Premness in him whenever he's around Chahat, but thats not really his fault I guess, cuz he's probably told to do that, and the inner child of himself gets out whenever he's with Chahat, I've noticed that lately...Idk...I could be wrong.

actually, i guess it is correct that hc is not prem as we know prem-heer-are-one with his phukda. but i'd think that prem should act a father, no? and i think that's where i really have a problem with the direction -- poor chap should be getting some idea on how to do the papa act; and how a father would act meeting a child he hasn't seen all his life?

And I'm positively sure that Heer is on a rampage for repeating the same line over and over again! I mean we get it! The dialogue writers really need to do something about that line! It annoys the crap out of me!

😔

But I still think that Heer has something else hidden that none of us know, I stil have hope that she is running away from Prem for more than one reason. For right now though, all I can do is hope, wait, and watch!

oh me too!!! 🤗 sorry, it's just that i sound like i have these ideas that are terribly outlandish. is lovely to know that i'm not the only one (or two -- with smits! 😃) out there who feel this.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Oh and one last thing another thing i noticed regarding HC and Chahat is that HC looks too young to be a father he looks more like her elder brother ... Heer with her post leap make-over has been able to look like a mom of chahat but HC ... he somehow looks even younger than before and that is one of the reasons atleast i felt for lack of bonding as father and daughter

here, me? i think it's not to do with looks. i agree on one dimension -- heer has a more gaunt look than prem these days. i thought it was to show that heer has had a much harder life physically and materially than prem has (for example, that telling set of lines phukda told prem about how worried her mother gets around the end of the month). but other than the weight loss, i didn't think she looked any more older. and that's where i figure -- it's in the attitude that she brings in. she uses gestures and body language of a mother with a child. with prem and phukda? nothing. zip. nada.

And oh even you seem to have given up on the show ... you the hoplessly hopeful one and that makes me even more

😆 ya, i think the story is rather twisted if it is trying to show prem-heer-are-one. i mean, i don't doubt these two love each other to death. but the prem and heer of prem-heer-are-one ... meant something deeper than just love, i am beginning to realise. prem-heer-are-one was truly a pair with no boundaries between them -- mind, soul and body. and just having them not meld into each other the moment they met is .. disconcerting to say the least. for them to stay apart like this -- out of this world weird, man! 😆

Originally posted by: fivr_786

Hey estee!!! 🤗

hey back! 🤗i'm glad i'm back too!! life was just that touch boring without feeling the phorum madness for a while... 😆

You're right, this show is just loosing it's touch now. I mean I don't THINK about it mindlessly throughout the day anymore.

😆 is funny the kinda things we miss, no? missing thinking about this show all the darned time must be one of the funniest of 'em. but i do know what you mean. ever since 06/19/08, i've had a little prem demon with dreamy eyes in a white shirt with sleeves rolled up perched on my shoulder. at some point, i noticed that a dreamy eyed heer demon had joined him on my shoulder (right one in case you are wondering... 😆) and maybe they used to whisper in my ears all the time -- but there was practically a continuous prem-heer analysis running in my head all the time since that fateful night in june. but now? now i get vast chunks of days to myself - without the prem-heer voice. and when it strikes me, it does make me miss 'em...

There is really nothing to think about. It's giving me what I've seen so many times before - the stubborn anger of one of the protagonists while the other one does nothing.

ya, seems to be a common feeling we share. i know prem has always been the quiet one. but when it came to heer, he was always rather .. uh .. explosive. and while i buy that he is feeling completely and wretchedly guilty about having lost prem-heer, what bugs me is that he's had six years to ... well, get over it! c'mon prem... c'mon. stop heer's tears already. c'mon!

And as far as Heer having another reason for this behavior of hers, well, I highly doubt it. I think time stopped for her when Prem *slept* with Ashlesha and that is all that has been on her mind ever since.

*sigh* and i don't blame you for doubting it. there is precious little evidence supporting it. well, other than the fact, that she did call phukda chahat -- even while she thought that prem had betrayed her love. not to mention that she openly acknowledges that she loves him... er, did she? or did she just say that she can't stop caring for him?

Every decision and reaction obtained from her after that is just an offset of that event. So she doesn't want to be with Prem because of that, regardless of the time that's passed between them or the fact that he's back there apologizing (again, only apologizing and not DOING anything!! Grrrrr 😡).

me? i think at the very least, there is one more thing: that prem wasn't there for her these last six years. i know this is s'thing that people disagree violently with me. but i just think it's really hard for a single girl with a baby to survive without anything to start with. she was probably pregnant when she left prem. and after that, prem vanished on her.

s'thing that a mother's friend said while watching the show a short while ago made a deep impression on my thinking about heer, i guess: when she had come to prem's office during soni-yuvraj's wedding and told prem not to come to the wedding. and prem doesn't answer. she then asks him: so, you will not come, no? and my mother's friend said that usually when someone - a lover - reiterates this question, it reflects a deep need to hear that they will be disobeyed. that their lover will do what is good for them, even if it's not what they want.

we haven't got to see what heer went through all these years, fighting life and hardships to provide for herself and her child. and all through this -- prem, the person who used to feel her tears and her sorrow -- had vanished and never came. maybe not even when she cried whole nights hoping -- like the estee style hopelessly hopeful sort? 😔 -- that prem would feel her tears and come rescue her, like a prince on a shining steed. and prem never came.

maybe instead, gi-it came. and her mother came. and soni came. and she figured out how to live? without prem -- just 'cause he never came. how could he? he was away, somewhere abroad. ie, the rest of the world. and he never came. and i figure -- this resentment is not just for that one night he apparently took revenge against her ''apparent act of infidelity with that ig-idiot''. this resentment is for every single night that she has had to spend away from him, without him holding her, while she cried? probably for the loneliness of having had phukda without him holding her hand to make things better through labour pains? for the nights she had to spend taking care of her baby, while she worked for their survival during the day?

perhaps it's not ... fair? to call it just the misery of that one night. with that one night, she -- of prem-heer-are-one, and ripped apart from prem -- has had to live through six years worth of nights by herself and her child.

hmm. perhaps you are right -- perhaps there is nothing else. perhaps it's just six years worth of pain starting from that one single point that she is resentful about.

but me? remembering the hell heer went through for prem? remembering that heer called phukda chahat? me, i'm still wondering what made prem leave for can-atta. 'cause the only way prem would've left india would have been 'cause he had lost all hope of ever being with heer. of ever really having heer walk back into his life? 'cause i'm wondering if that reason isn't also part of the reason that heer is trying so hard to not have prem back into her life.

what can i do? i'm hopelessly hopeful 'bout heer. and ya, also about prem. although i think he is a... slower. *tortoise prem anyone? 😆*

Everyone sort of just takes it as a *oh so this is her* deal and moves on.. nothing else? From no one?

😆 i have the same feeling of frustration as you -- but that made me laugh! 😆

I don't know. I am just so disappointed and confused these days. I had thought we finally had a different show, but it really pains me to see it drop a little below it's high pedestal with every episode.

😆 y'know what i found? that the older episodes were almost just as messy by way of a jerky script and continuously depressing episodes for stretches at a time. the difference i think is: we were getting to experience the prem-heer-are-one magic for the first time ever. and y'know what they say -- there's no love as bright and shining and as beloved as the first love? 😆 *sigh* but even though i laugh at myself s'times, i do agree with you -- those were truly golden days... strong, silent only-for-heer prem; gentle meek silent only-for-prem heer...😍

What happened to that Prem who forcefully told Heer the real meaning of love for him and WHY is Prem not SHOWING her the real meaning of love this time? Why is he messing around with her? The jokes and the cracks? What are they for? Why isn't he forcefully just being Boss Prem and FIXING this?!

oh, you too! i really need to bite down on my jaw to stop from yelling when i hear/see prem being ... casual with heer. and since when has prem ever thought of heer as ''nakchadi''?? what the heck does that word mean anyway??! 🤔

And what is going through Heer's head? What is going on? Is she stuck in that six-year-old-moment so permanently that she refuses to take anything else into consideration? Not the cries of her daughter or the pleas of her estranged husband? What is going on..

😔 ya. i know. but did you notice the thawing of heer's ice-fortress at that ''call me ajnabee, the only relationship i'm allowed with my daughter. but allow me to take you home?'' prem plea? i sooo loved that. i guess no matter how hard she tries, there is a part in heer that will respond - almost helplessly and against her will - to what is sincere and sweet in prem. which is what gets me even more mad about the ''quips and jokes and cracks''. they only get her back up even more. but one line from the heart and she can't help but open up to him.

heer.... prem! 😍

I am going to go dunk my head in a bucket of ice water.. This upsets me way too much.. *sigh*

😆 well, i hope what i wrote doesn't drive you even further to ... er ... drink! 🤣 remeber -- this is prem and heer. they are special. written in the stars. they will prevail. is just that this time, they seem intent on making us go mad while we w&w! 😃

Originally posted by: lilsasha

😆 hey shabnam. you know the pleasure of writing for you guys is all mine. s'times i figure that i would never be as ... into prem-heer if it wasn't for you guys... 😆

I wanna give one explanation to why Prem left Heer's place that night... Yes he did know that Chahat is his dotty... He left because he saw the coldness in Heer and he thought that he has no place in Heer's world as she has moved on... He was also mad at her cos she kept him in dark all these years... But only after knowing that Heer has named their Phukda 'Chahat' he realized that Heer still loves him, he decided to go back and win her trust and love all over again...

🤔 ya, agreed on all those fronts. (except the one where he thought he had no place in heer's world 'cause she has moved on. 'cause by then he knew she hadn't? that she was still alone? btw, i thought the most stooopid thing was how he told her at the beginning of that night ''to go get a life and get married to someone else.'' actually of all the things prem has ever told heer, this instruction of ''get married to someone else with whom you will be happy; don't be alone.'' has always been the most ... hypocritical. he demonstrates that he is not able to do it. and yet he has no qualms about giving her instructions to do it?? heer of the prem-heer-are-one and he instructs her like this? knuckle-head prem!)

my problem with prem -- even when all that you say above it true -- is that he left. even if heer was super cold with him, at that time, why didn't he feel what he is feeling for phukda now -- that he needs and wants to be her father? now also it is despite heer saying so, no?

i guess i don't know enough about guys -- but his flipping from running away to wanting to fight for his daughter now just 'cause heer named her chahat feels weird. feels weird about any guy. it feels extra 'specially weird about prem of prem-heer-are-one.

and i must confess: this has always felt weird to me about prem 'cause ... prem has always left heer. well, until a time that it really matters, of course. 😆 but otherwise? always.

Hope i explained it properly... I feel so bad for poor Prem... Heer ki sab galtiya maaf lekin Prem ki ek Galati ko maafi nahi???.... that mistake which was committed under the influence of Alcohol... He was not at all in his senses that night... Prem needs to remind her of that Hotel incident where Heer was all unconscious and Anything could have happend to her that night if Prem didn't showup... Wasn't he in same situation???

nice memory you brought up. i guess the only difference is that prem chose to become inebriated himself 'cause of what he did to heer -- scream at her in public 'cause he was feeling hurt to the core thinking she wanted out of prem-heer-are-one. while in heer's case, she was being drugged. and if the evil guy had indeed raped her that night, it wouldn't have mattered to either prem or heer, 'cause she was still in the moral right.

*y'know one of the things that i wonder 'bout? i do wonder whether by that getting-drunk time, he had already decided that he had made a mistake about heer? or did he still need to hear the evidence from the ig-idiot? i like to think that by that time prem had figured out that heer had never been with the idiot -- would never be with the idiot. but then? basically was he getting drunk 'cause he thought heer had fallen out of love with him? or 'cause he knew she was innocent and that he had really hurt her? i guess it was the former, no? *

i feel bad for prem -- but for different reasons. i feel bad 'cause when he keeps saying that fate has dealt him tough cards, he is right. his life has never been easy. but in return, he is part of prem-heer-are-one. i feel for him -- but i do not feel for his constantly moping that he has been dealt with a lousy situation. everyone gets dealt with lousy situations. when you are dealt with a lousy situation, you are supposed to fight and get out of it. prem often appears to just talk about it. like his father!

hey! i guess i have actually figured out what bugs me 'bout prem -- that he bhashans exactly like lj! 😆

The answer to why Prem doesn't hold heer firmly and give her a tight phug is because he wants heer herself to come to him...

ya, sure. uh-huh. that's right. no problems with that. 'xcept -- what's wrong with doing the first hug this time? 'specially 'cause both of them think that he is the one who did the ''wrong''? why is prem not taking the offensive in the matter of love once again? 😳 i don't think it's a matter of proof with prem and heer. never thought it has been. in fact, i think they've always just ''known'' how much they mean to each other -- part of what makes them special. at least, for me.

I agree that we cannot digest the act of HC as PP... and everyone's easy going reaction on seeing Chahat for 1st time was kinda wierd...I also feel that the story & scenes are hopping here and there like kangaroo these days... no consistancy at all...

😆 kangaroo script. me likes. 😆 very much!

*hugs*

🤗 right back

Originally posted by: -athena-

I hope you are allowed to come online...🤔....and not like how you used to do during your 'rib-rehab' phase...😉
of course, i can come online! how does it matter that i'm here so much 'cause mother's away?

er... you're not gonna tell on me, are you?

I admit I am kinda shocked reading your post and as always I have to disagree with you on many things....hahaha...*thinking when was the last time we both used to be on the same page*

😆 rakphooh, you and i have been on the ''same page'' ever since you started demanding i put all the prem things in the bt,lt and not keep some aside just for me to enjoy! and if you think i'm allowing you to get away from my page once you are there -- you've got another think coming! i think we always tend to be on the same page -- we just get there at different times? well, most times anyway... 😃

and don't worry about the shock. apparently most people are -- apparently, the very size of these really really throw 'em! 😆

Firstly...I think you missed that epi when G3 said it was her who made the family move to Canada so that Prem and Heer wont meet....

and prem just obediently meekly agreed to go away even after saying that he will wait for heer forever? assuming he's not that much of a meek lamb, there must've been some argument, some persuasion? i want to know what that was -- 'specially since he seemed to have moved with the intention of never coming back? 'cause i think knowing this argument is important to understanding the story and why prem-heer are where they are -- and these stoooopid creative are taking forever to tell us this!! 😡

And Heer told Soni or someone how Prem has moved abroad (which means she knew his whereabouts...)

🤣 rakphoooh! ''abroad'' is not a whereabouts! whereabouts is an address. i mean, i can even imagine that she knew he was in can-atta. but that's still not an address. 😆 i think i wrote this in response to someone else: either prem left a forwarding address at a place that he knew heer would go to look -- like shiv mandir, maybe? 😍 ---or it's not gonna have been easy, or even maybe possible, for heer -- poor, destitute, fighting for survival -- to know his whereabouts.

abroad is easy, right? heer lands up at jzoo and asks the neighbours for prem. ''they have left. they packed up everything and left.'' of course, now if the neighbours had a forwarding address, that will change things. not sure we will be told this -- but am willing to w&w on this.

and that still doesn't mean that at the other end, gaali-maa will not have been watching all correspondance like a hawk and destroying things. phone numbers and stuff would've changed in the move, i'm guessing, so neighbours will not have got it?

Secondly...I want to know how else Prem is supposed to go at it??I am kinda tired of hearing about how he ought to get more aggressive...and if he does anything more than this...don't you think you yourself will call him a 'duffer' again...🤔
😆 rakphooh, i think i will always call prem a duffer. the real question is -- what is the tone of my voice when i do! 😆

how can prem go at it? stop whimpering like a scared puppy when heer makes all her ''i can't forgive you'' statements, and dropping his eyes to not meet hers. stop cowering under his own sense of guilt to not meet her eyes. understand that being guilty or not of that night means nothing in how to take life forward from now! and then get in heer's face, just like she used to get into her face during those ''i'm not prem, i'm gaurav sharma'' days of his. do the same, darnit, that he used to do in the muckmeet days -- grab her hand and tell her that he's not gonna allow her to do what she wants, but insist that she does what he wants. 'cause today is different from those days -- today he knows she is still crazy about him; today he has the right. it's just that he is not taking 'em -- and is causing lots of pain in the meantime.

of course, that's mho. *ooops! show time* will continue this later!

Thirdly....how is Heer justified in denying a child her right to know about her father??What about the times when the child needs her father very bad???I am NOT concerned about Prem and Heer...Just tell me how is it morally right to make a child suffer about her papa??On one side she doesn't tell her about her papa and on the top of it emotionally blackmail her and take away that little happiness that she had and keep her unhappy forever about it....How can one justify such a thing???I think the creatives have totally lost it and making Heer look like one self possessed idiot here....

Fourthly...I happened to read through your last post in this thread (in reply to Bee...)...I would like to know how is Heer morally having an edge over Prem???😳....What is it that Prem did that was morally wrong which made him lower than Heer???At every phase I remember it was Prem who always knew about Prem-Heer being one...He was the one who always kept saying that they are one whether they live together or away from eachother in the physical sense...He is stil the one who is insisting about he and Heer being one....

Its not like Heer is all doodh ki dhuli hui....She is equally ( if not more )responsible for whatever the state both Prem and Heer are in, today....I am really disappointed in the creatives for not making her realize her blunder even once....I happened to watch 'that' pre-leap epi (finally) and boy...she went to G3 after whatever Prem did and all she could think of is about herself and how Prem could do such a thing to her for nothing that she had done....ermmm.....Its like as if the creatives needed a reason/excuse for a leap and hence suddenly changed Heer into some duffer who only thinks about herself....huhhh....and another thing was the way she was sharing with Rajveer about her maritall problems, that too at night in a restaurant....🤢...

In fact by committing the sin of keeping a child away from her father, Heer IS in a morally, ethically and conceptually in a wrong VERY WRONG position....

Mind you, I am NOT talking about her going back to Prem...She has every right to choose for herself...but she has NO right to destroy a little child's balance of life....

And all your assumptions are based on Heer having some 'other' reason behind her behaviour...I remember you found everything she did during Sameer's phase justified as you thought she was doing it all knowing about G3....but alas that was not to be...Trust me, its the same thing again...she is stuck in time...and insisting to live there forever....Which I am ok with...except that that I have problem with her keeping the child away from Prem....

Just for the sake of argument...if she was our Heer she would've made heaven and earth one, trying to find out how that Ashlesha ended up in Prem;s bed....Because our Heer would've known her Prem in and out...and that he would never do such a thing....

Prem on the other hand, is giving her space....and by keeping away from Chahat he is respecting her wishes and waiting patiently for her to come around and introduce him to his daughter...I thought that was a very noble thing he was doing....And about his conversations with Chahat...I thought they were the only thing that are beautiful and must watch on the show these days....I absolutely adore the way he talks to her...You have to remember, he cannot be openly showing his fatherly side to her lest she may start getting jittery and stop talking to him only...Prem is right now really insecure about those few moments he gets with his daughter and he doesn't want to lose even that....

Anyways...I have to go now...gosh I have to stop this abruptly.....I am so sorryyy for ranting so much.......

EDIT: Oh my...I just read today's update......So Ephtee darl...I hope all your hopes of seeing Heer's some other reason have been put to rest??Because she has seriously lost it...She not only thinks Prem ruined her life, but also has no doubts about him ruining every girl's life that he becomes a part of...But she is ok if that girl is NOT her best friend...Lets say Prem is really a monster...but how is it ok to destroy another girl's life but not Geet's???😕...

After seeing all this...do you really feel like putting sense behind these characters E???I seriouslu don't...I just take it one thing at a time...and hit myself hard, everytime I try to come up with any analysis or reasons for the stupid inconsistencies they show....

These are the same creatives who turned a devi like ma into devil just to suit their story....These are the same creatives who played a ping pong between Prem-Gaurav and gave us a headache...These are the same creatives who are making Heer behave like she was stuck on stupid, just to suit their purposes...

All I am trying to say is...neither Prem nor Heer are above the creatives.....Its the creatives who make or break them....and right now clearly they are on a Heer destroying spree....The kind of lines she gets and her uptight attitude...clearly...its not OUR Heer...🥱

Originally posted by: estee

in the middle of my gnashing my teeth at what the heck they are doing on screen most of the time, such little things make me pause -- and reset the estee button-of-hope. and i wonder if i shouldn't be a little hopelessly hopeful again? 😃 after all, being hopeless about a balaji telefilms ''love story'' would be sooooo... been-there, done-that, no? like something that a couple that we love so much are trying to do just now? 😆