wtf -- 12 aug '09 -- catching up with prem-heer :/

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the wtf is back! 😃 and no, just 'cause it's not here on the weekend, it doesn't mean what you think it means! *ya, you! that's right -- i know you. come out and admit it!* this wtf stands for wednesday thoughts feature -- 'cause i managed to catch up on a lot of shows today, and i got soooo many thoughts that it just felt like i should wtf. *mmmmphphphfff... bwahahahahaha!*

here goes:

wtf#1: 'kay, so i was one of the loud opponents to this whole tls** 'cause i could see nothing about the story that (1) should not have been resolved right then and there and (2) would mean for prem and heer not to be together for all the time inbetween. i mean -- prem-heer-are-one. that has always been true, and will never change. it just didn't make sense to have a tls with them apart for whatever time you could imagine!

guess what? i was right. this entire tls -- and the new point in time-space that prem-heer are in -- was a dumb idea. even after all this time, the story hasn't told us why it had to happen. why the junejas went to canada, who suggested it, how did heer end up not telling prem that they were going to have a child, how did heer cope with the entire mess of having a child with no money, no assets, nothing with her, how did heer cope with not being able to find prem juneja when she needed him the most.

i despise the story tellers for having pushed this strangely wonderful, already chaotic enough, forever-after story of prem and his heer to even higher levels of .. the ordinary and the trite. and that is unforgiveable, according to me. with the prem and heer are one story, they really truly had something unique going. today? the story is beginning to explicitly beginning to lose that. and it makes me ... sad. i despise you, the story teller, do you hear me?? i do! 😛😛😛

the only tolerable thing in this story remains -- as always -- that prem-heer-are-one and always will be.

wtf#2
: y'know? no matter how cute and unbelieveably ''fitting'' that little girl-child is, the whole prem-heer-ka-tukda is really quite a bad development in the story line. don't get me wrong -- she is very cute. kinda a perfect depiction of the krishna that happens in the life of her parents.

but seriously? her being in the tale just ... jars the story 'cause the kind of reaction to the reality of chahat has been so wishy-washy! no really! it's like -- everyone just naturally expected chahat to exist! the only really reaction to chahat that i found even remotely credible was prem telling pbauji that he has a child. and even that was so slight. everyone else has met chahat as if they have always known of her existence.

no really! does no one else feel this way?? it's prem and heer's child, damnit! and prem sees her and doesn't freak out?? he calmly walks in -- with a beautiful glowering face, naturally -- and then gets whipped into shape by heer -- and leaves, okay??! with absolutely no intention of ever coming back!

i mean, so what if he didn't know that heer had called her chahat! he knew chahat was his! there was never a doubt about that. and yet? he walked out. only after he finds out that her name is chahat, he returns for her?? meher sees her once, tells her she knows she is her parent's chahat and... that's it? gaali-maa doesn't even pretend that she is shocked that the child's name is chahat?

perhaps i am thinking too deeply about all this. perhaps, i am still simmering with resentment that they have not done anything much about explaining what the whole tls** was about. but chahat's character has slid in too smoothly, with too few real reactions, or time to absorb her existence for me to not get my eyes-crossed while watching her in the show.

and i guess the worst part is that i think hc-as-prem's interactions with her are all ... wrong! 😲

wtf#3: 'kay, so maybe i'm the only one here on this. but does anyone else get the feeling that hc has ... er ... stopped thinking too much about being prem on this show anymore? 'cause prem is seriously troubling me.

first off, prem as papa... is weird! very weird. half the time he's behaving like the phukda is a stranger-kid that he met and is friendly with. and the other half the time, he's being intense-prem of the prem-heer sort! watching hc play prem is even more disconcerting than having watched hc play hip-hop prem. and that is really saying something. 'cause watching hip-hop prem -- who was actually really prem down-down! imagine that! -- used to make me go cross-eyed. watching prem play papa gives me a headache. the act is just not working. i get the feeling that no-one is really giving hc any directions on how to do it, and he's winging it. and that he has no experience being papa in real life is showing up strongly!

thank goodness when it comes to playing heer's prem, hc is still as flawless as ever. the episode when this difference in hc's understanding of these two parts of prem struck me most forcibly in that episode after phukda's little ''papa'' speech. one moment, hc was playing weird-papa-prem against the phukda-actor. giving me a headache. but - oh! - the moment he stood up and came face to face with heer! man, that was just superlative! that prem-heer moment was heart-wrenching, true and as beautifully done as every sad, deep prem-heer moment. hc and ag play sooo well off each other as prem and heer that they are truly magical to watch. the pity is that when hc is doing intense roles with anyone else, it just doesn't compare anymore.

wtf#4: but getting off the hc-track and coming back to prem. wtf is wrong with this guy?? why the heck is he not grabbing heer in one big bear phug, holding her firm and tight while she (presumably) rants and raves and screams and weeps, until she finally breaks down and admits how much she still needs him and can't live without him, phukda or no phukda? why is he still acting tentative and goofy around heer? she's told him she still loves him; that she can't forgive him -- so. damned. what. damnit!

i mean, he's been in more than one instant where she's told him this before. and he has had demonstrations of how she has ignored him when he has told her that before. and instead, just gone past his ''apparent hatred'' and snared him back to her side again before.

even after all that -- why is this duffer being such a duffer??!

the only way that i can understand prem's reactions is that most of it is still being driven by guilt. guilt that he is the reason why prem-heer are not physically one today. and he is paying back today for the guilt of having driven prem-heer apart. and i think he's being a total duffer to do this. i mean, seriously -- why is prem so ready to give up on his (and heer's) happiness without a fight? do you know he's always been ready to do so? lemme count how many times:

1. even after he found out that heer loved him after he told her ''kyunki mein tumsey pyar karta hoon!'', he was okay about her going off with muckmeet and his going off with ashlesha -- just to make his father happy.
2. even after he left jzoo with heer, he remained mopey without his father. ultimately he made heer mopey too. so much so that she wanted to leave him for his father. 😆
3. when he had found out that gaurav sharma had died to save prem and that he had only a few days to live, prem was ready to give up his (and heer's) shot at happiness without any questions. he would rather give himself to serve someone else's happiness than give the last days of his life to heer.
4. today, when heer tells him that she doesn't want to live with him, he refuses to go away -- but he doesn't get into her face and fight with her about their deserving to be together and make so much happiness that it drowns the unhappiness of that one night.

why? why does prem not fight for prem-heer?? why does it take some major drama like dirtchachi practically throwing heer into the fire for him to say something?

i guess what really bites is how he is still all about ''talking the talk''. he spouts all these bhashans** about deep desire and fatherhood and misery and ... whatever! acting all noble and knightly in front of heer. and then goes and weeps on whatever parently shoulder is readily available back at home!

*sigh* is this rant all really about the severe allergic reaction that i have to seeing weepy-prem instead of being boss-prem? hmmmm...

so among all the post-tls that we've had so far, the one that i really thought was the deepest sign of prem fighting was the scene that we got this week: prem telling heer to allow him to give her a lift even if it only by calling him ''stranger (ajanabee)''. that was the most beautiful thing that prem has said to heer so far - and man! did it shake heer or what? i loved that line.. i loved that scene.

wtf#5: *sigh* when are they going to tell us what is making heer so stubborn about not letting prem snatching her up, taking her away and making more babies together? just who is heer mad at? is she mad at prem 'cause of that night where she thinks he slept with someone 'cause he thought she was sleeping with that ig-idiot? or is she mad at herself for still being that much in love with a traitor?

'cause when someone like heer -- who has come close to giving up her life for prem -- keeps mouthing the same reason again and again, it just sounds like well-rehearsed dialogue to me, more than the real reason for why she is doing what she is doing.

'cause i can't believe that the heer who was willing to cheapen herself in prem's eyes by pretending to drink and ''seduce gaurav sharma 'cause he had prem's face'', the one who called their daughter ''chahat'' inspite of believing that he had committed the unforgiveable sin of spending the night with someone else.

wtf#6
: what got me to believe there is something more to heer's wanting to push prem away was after gaali-maa came to visit heer with meher.

heer was soo very careful about making it clear to gaali-maa that phukda would never know they were part of her family. and guess what? gaali-maa walked off comfortable that heer was not trying to get prem back -- but rather that meher was.

and so, it was just as revealing to watch gaali-maa explode in that vicious manner to meher about betraying her trust! which actually brings me to the next wtf...

wtf#7: gaali-maa has gone insane. she is completely totally perpetually in my-brain-has-become-a-mass-of-green-fungus land. what is incredible about her is that she is very, very, very good about hiding it from everyone.

and watching the last couple of episodes, i realised something: there is a big difference in watching someone who is evil and sane and smart and hiding things from everyone and watching someone who is evil and insane and hiding things from everyone.

i used to think that the scariest ''mother-figure'' that balaji telefilms ever came up with was the step-mother of a character called ''kavya'' in a serial called ''kavyanjali''. she was very smart, and very evil and very focussed on being evil. her evil stemmed from hating ''kavya'' for something he didn't do. and wanting revenge from this innocent (and supremely dumb! 😆) character.

she was scary as heck. 😆

but i realised that she never made me turn my stomach in fear the way gaali-mom does. 'cause i think that she has gone insane in her hatred for heer. hating her for something that she didn't do. and wanting revenge from her.

the insanity is scary 'cause there is no discussion or arguing with an insane person, no? in the kavya story, ultimately, the woman was brilliant -- ultimately, there was some arguing with her to bring her around to the light.

with gaali-maa, seeing what she wants and what she has done, how can anyone have a sane discussion? this woman has been fostering a hatred through six years so fiercely that she can no longer see that what she calls as concern for prem is actually just one more manifestation of her own revenge! when she says that she wants to get the phukda for prem, what she really wants is to deprive heer just as she feels that she was deprived. she can not see that when she started this revenge business, she was talking about redemption for her daughter's soul. but now? now she is using her daughter's soul as an excuse for what she wants to get for herself!

she is sick. mentally diseased. she must be put out of her misery. and there is only one way to do that - either she dies. or heer does. 🤔

heer's death 'cause as long as heer is alive, she will always wonder whether - no, when! -- heer is going to be one with prem. 'cause of course she knows that prem-heer-are-one, just like we all do. and i think in this case, it will be kinder for everyone to die, don't you think? i mean, think of the heartache that prem and heer will go through when they find out what she wants. don't want any more heartache for those two... seriously.

of course, the biggest wtf of 'em all is

wtf#8: we keep getting the sense that gaali-maa and the rest of jzoo exist in different universes. exactly what is the relationship between gaali and the rest of the jzoo now? do they still treat her as mother, or is that just for ''name's sake''?

we know they totally don't trust her on the question of prem -- but do they know what she did to wreck prem and heer? surely pbauji knows. but he still hasn't told anyone else of what vitchface did on the abortion question? or that he knows how deeply gaali despises heer?

*sigh* why are the juneja's all such a clueless bunch? *double sigh*

wtf#9: what's with the rest of the family?? i thought that all of them would be trying to sneak around heer, and finding out more about the phukda and heer. but no one seems to care? preet? this is your pb's kid -- don't you want to know?
or have they all given the problem to prem to solve and are just w&w like the rest of us?

seriously... this story so badly needed a better set of brains to deal with all the lovely characters in it. *sigh* and what is really bad is that they then go and introduce new characters. out of which there is .. the git! 🤣

wtf#10: the git, aka geet.🤣 i had always loved this description in teacher triv's pattshala's. but never thought i'd ever find a character for whom it would fit so well! 🤣 poor git. actually, i don't think she's such a bad character -- she does seem a genuine friend to heer. heer definitely cares a lot for her.

it's just that she is so... hyper! like she is a flea-covered ... git 🤣that makes her jumpy all the time. plus... she certainly has her shades of grey, no? she cares more for blood getting on her car seats than making sure a child is not injured. she had no thought about making gee-gee eyes** at a married guy who was also a father. and yet...

when gaali-maa rudely shooes off a woman who is asking for alms, git is kind to her. she genuinely feels heer's pain when she describes how devastated the guy's wife would feel if he had an affair. and phukda loves her. *although, of course, phukda doesn't seem to mind gaali-maa either. hmmm. did krishna always know that kans was an evil guy? or did he give him a chance to show that he could be a good person?*

wtf#11: well, reading through all that wtf-ing, it'd look like i don't like the show very much, no? 😆 i must confess, i don't agree with hc when he said that this tls would make the show more exciting. it just doesn't make sense to me to have prem and heer ''find each other'' after the first time they did.

i could live with the apparent death-of-prem 'cause they did a magnificent job in defining how love can live despite death. i didn't much like that prem had such a duffer-excuse to have stayed away from his heer -- but i loved how she pushed and turned him till he had to give in and confess to her. i didn't much like what it took prem to come back to heer then. and i didn't much like how vulnerable both prem and heer were to gaali-maa's instigations. but i loved how the essence of prem-heer-are-one held through all that with a light shining bright and true.

but now? now, there is little that makes sense. today we have prem and heer, face to face. prem has told heer how much he still loves her. heer has told prem how much she still loves him. and the prem and the heer who fought against death, a hole-in-the-hea[d,rt] dumb excuse to be together, can't find a way out of being stuck in a rut on a night that didn't happen. they are not going forward. they are not going back. they are going nowhere. and - what makes it really unbearable - they are crying most of the time again. this time? for no really good reason! argh!

don't get me wrong -- there's a heck of a lot of cute. there is no denying that hc-ag on screen in any prem-heer moment will rock it with insane intensity. but once they are done, and the moment is gone? what spins and spins in my washing-machine brain of prem-heer thoughts are always broken and fragmented, without a structure or a form which i can take to bed and cuddle with secret joy in my heart. the prem-heer-are-one essence is there, but faint like an old memory in the depths of my brain. and it struck me -- they always had my heart. but before the tls**, they had my brain as well. and after? they have only my heart.

is funny. i still love 'em. but they are not here with me every moment of the day like they used to be. watching them today is like watching their shadows, rather than the real prem-and-heer.

ah well. what do i know? maybe the creatives are chuckling to themselves seeing my confusion and my melancholy, chuckling to themselves of how much i will feel like an idiot when they spring a lovely surprise of a story development on me, like they have done so many times in the past.

but i must admit -- i do wish they would hurry up. lest my poor heart dies out of w&w fatigue. 😃

ya, ya, i know -- this was longer than the usual long estee-wtf-posts. but hey! i've not done this for such a long time! had a lot to wtf! 🤣 please forgive me?

** tls: time line shift of six years.
** bhashans: credit to teacher triv.
** phukda: prem-heer-ka-tukda, aka chahat. 😆
** gee gee eyes: a girl makes goo-goo eyes at prem. a git makes gee-gee eyes. 🤣

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Posted: 16 years ago
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estee welcome back!
how are you?
well its very late today...but will reply to this one asa[
oki....prem is not doing a very good job woth chahat...i mean even his interactions with his dotty initially left me confused but as the interactions increased i guess he did improvised on them
will get back to it
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Hey E...!!!🤗
How r u?
Gr8 to see u back.
Good to see ur longgg posts again.No one else can do it.😆
I also feel there is sum other reason also for Heer not coming back to Prem.Ya,Prem is not going very well with Chahat.



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Okay, what I'm frustrated about in the show is the pacing, and the unnecessary side characters and the technicals aspects of the show What is wrong with them?! I'm also missing the kind of 'eternal' touch to it. Although that was kind of destroyed pre-leap, the first few weeks post-leap still had that old-premeer touch to them. Myabe the quality went down in the middle, because the team got demotivated because the of time-slot or something, we don't know. But, let's just hope the quality comes up again. The dubbing, the editing and ESPECIALLY the bg music people need to wake up! The only thing that really keeps me hooked onto the show are the actors, especially HC-AG.
Coming to HC as Prem Papa, I actually loved all his interactions with Chahat. While Heer has to be stern parent with Chahat, Prem just becomes a kid himself (he even mentioned it in one of the interviews). I guess that's his brief about playing Prem as a father, that he becomes a kid with her... and I just LOVE seeing that. Prem-Chahat together are simply adorable. I just wish the direction, and sound was better in those scenes. I don't know who in their right mind thinks that the Rajsthan music is a good bg score for Prem and CHAHAT! 😕 Idiots. I guess I don't mind him crying that much, because he keeps on getting pushed away, again and again from the people he loves most in the world. The biggest joy he could have gotten as a father was his child calling him Papa, and as soon as he got that joy, it was snatched away from him. *sigh* I really want justice for Prem after all of this. Oh, and I don't think that he's forcing himself on Heer, because everytime he does so, Heer kind of rips his heart apart, and also hurts herself in the process.
About Heer, honestly E, there is no big 'other reason' why she's keeping away from Prem. Even if there is, then that does not justify her behaviour or her stance about Chahat on this. Telling the guards in her school not to let Chahat meet Prem?! That was simply below the belt. Her behaviour with Chahat also has me a bit 😕 The scene where she refused to talk to Chahat, while Chahat cried, and finally promised her that she wouldn't talk to Prem was a bit I understand that she's hurt, and she doesn't want to lose Chahat, but causing so much pain to both Prem and Chahat, by keeping them away from each other is something that is beyond me...
Oh, btw, I'm pretty sure that Heer doesn't have another reason for keeping away from Prem, because of her thoughts and actions in the past few episodes. Today, she thought of Prem as the insaan who betrayed his childhood love. So, yup, I don't think she has another reason, I'm just hoping that she finds out the truth about Ashlesha fast, because the Heer we're seeing is becoming a shadow of the old Heer... I want to ask you, E, if Heer does not have another reason for staying away from Prem other than that Ashlesha thing, how would you justify her actions now? I can understand her until a point, that she's hurt and completely destroyed by that night, but her stance on Chahat in Prem's life is leaving me baffled.
I've gotten into the habit of actually fast forwarding all Geet and Gayatri scenes. I cannot stand the actor that plays Geet, she can't act, and Gayatri simply freaks the hell out of me. It's gut churning to watch her nowadays, so I simply don't. I suppose that's ONE use of not being able to watch the show on TV.
Either way, it seems that the story is headed for yet another mandap drama, where Heer will either forgive and accept Prem, or where she will find out the truth about Ashlesha. I sincerely hope it's the second one, because I don't want another mahaan holier-than-thou attitude of Heer's, and a guilty Prem. I want both of their hearts to be clear of all this. But then again, this IS BT, so the truth may probably come out months later... *bangs head*
I suppose all we can do is w&w, and that too on youtube, since SP is such a git. *sigh* I missed you E! Oh, and I think they took a 6-year-leap because they had dug themselves in a hole too deep to get out of before the leap, and they thought THIS was a good solution. They're EK creatives, I bet they're going to be stuck for a track after this whole Ashlesha truth is cleared up. They just don't know how to continue a story, and I've sort of accepted that, so I'm just watching for Premeer, and HC-AG now.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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*mouth drops open in shock*

*comes running*

*fall on dirt*

*gets up and dusts herself off*

ESTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! 🤗

Missed you. When I found out you were sick, I knew you were fighting with everyone so you could come and post on here. But see we survived! Of course, this thread is going to be flooded, but we survived! :D Hope you are feeling better.

What irks me the most about this show now, is that it's not about an eternal love story anymore. And that's why I loved this show so much. There was a point in time during this show, that I would be sitting on the computer refreshing the pages to get the update at the EDT< waiting impatiently for youtube to load the episode because I couldn't wait till my time to watch it but I don't have that anymore. Since the leap, I've gone like a week without even remembering to watch the show. It's not the same show for me.

I feel like the show has lost its standards right? Horrible camera shots and don't even get me started on the dubbing. *pulls hair out* The direction of the show - I think its just all the actors and actress's on screen that is saving this show, because if there is work and proper passion for the show off the acting, than I don't see it.

I don't feel bad for AG and HC as much as I do for the late Mr.Gary Bhinder. This is the show he is going to be remembered by. You think they would at least try and keep it to the original concept of an eternal love story.

I'm sick of Heer repeating the same lines over and over again and I'm sick of Prem moping. Where is that Prem that wouldn't take no for an answer, that threatens the world if they lay an eye on Heer? Where is that Heer that loved Prem so unconditionally, she pushed their love to defy death? SIGH.

All we can do is w&w. And Gayatri is insane. I thought we established that fact a long time ago. Though, I loved seeing her smiling with Chahat on the screen. Almost she was back for a bit.

--shabz
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estee i was an even louder opponent of the leap and i still think it was totally unneccesary today when i was coming home from work i too was thinking there was no real need of Chahat in the story honestly even if Premeer had to seperate... i mean what is her role? ... although i am still not over my premeer phobia but watching heer say samething over and over again is making me go crazy ... i too think the direction of the show has gone bad and more than HC it was the direction that sucked in Prem Chahat scenes! Also the dialogues they are giving him for chahat are just ughhh so i won't blamme HC that much particularly when i have seen what he is capable of .... i too still have faintest hope that there is more to heer's stubborn behavior but i know i will be disappointed in the end it would just be one night sleep over of Prem and nothing else ... i doubt if we would ever know why juneja's left ... i feel cheated by story tellers i really do ... but sighs HC and AG playing Premeer simply don't let me move on ... i am doomed ... i can see more hair pulling and agony coming my way but still i don't have the courage to stop watching and save myself from it

The only consolation after watching today's epi was that Prem has not given up on Heer ... he is just guilt ridden to do anything directly ... so he is just trying to make something happen indirectly 😆

They took a leap just for the heck of it thats all
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