wtf -- 12 aug '09 -- catching up with prem-heer :/ - Page 3

Originally posted by: -Bee-

I know exactly when I last enjoyed the show with a peaceful mind, it was this time last year, in 2008. After that, it was either AG or HC being kicked out the show, Prem or Heer's characters being ruined (or in one case, Prem's character not there at all!! *bangs head*) or the channel acting like a git. So, I don't think we've ever watched this show in peace have we?

Originally posted by: riks1

vandana! 🤗

how are you?

i am ... better. but more importantly... i am free! mother is away! 😆

oki....prem is not doing a very good job woth chahat...i mean even his interactions with his dotty initially left me confused but as the interactions increased i guess he did improvised on them

ya. i feel sorry for hc a bit, i think. it really does feel like the directors put a lot of the job of ''doing prem'' on him? and *giggle* i seriously think hc has no clue about how to play father.

*sigh* but on a more serious note, i really feel sad. here's a guy, deeply in love with a girl, who meets their child for the first time. that's a set up for a whole amount of ... drama and feeling, no? *bigger sigh* i sooo wish they hadn't done this stooopid tls for prem-heer.

Originally posted by: -Ayushi-

😃 hi ayushi.

Originally posted by: ...Anita...

WB d2cp 🤗

*squeeeeaaall!!!* d2cp! 🤗 man, i am glad to be back!
*putting on my best punjabi accent* ki haal-shaal??
*feeling inadequate and switching back quickly to estee english 😆* are you still happy and having phun?

how r u?? Feeling better?

imho, i've been better for a while now. now that mother is away, and my lappy is back in my hands, my lappy is feeling much better, thank you! 😆

*my place* 😊
😊 'kay...

Originally posted by: mi7chimes

hmmm evn i was not ard....... 😭 i had kept reading all wtfs btlts n paatshaalas to 21st...
but since i saw tis ill read...now...😉😃
wht happnd to u....hmmmm hop u r fine now.....🤗

hey, chimes! *pretty id... * i did lots of drama on falling ill with pneumonia and losing a dramatic amount of weight and scaring mother into thinking i'm dying and stuff. but all that is over. and mother has left on a trip! so ya, i'm much better now... 😆

🤗 thanks so much for the sweet welcome.

Originally posted by: -Bee-

hey bee! breakfast all force-fed? 😆 seriously, what is with mothers and thinking they know better these days? 😆

Okay, what I'm frustrated about in the show is the pacing, and the unnecessary side characters and the technicals aspects of the show

*sigh* in this case, you're better off about the show than i am -- i have serious problems with the story as they are telling it right now. i just can't see the prem and the heer that i saw before the tls doing this kind of stuff. i know that there is a sense that prem is keeping after heer and heer has given up on prem. but for me? that seems to be a contrived setting up of what prem and heer used to be like in the start of the show, remember?
prem (without any knowledge of who heer is) flipping for heer.
heer (knowing who prem is, and deeply resenting him 'cause of what anguish he and his family caused her father) flipping for prem and fighting to keep away from him.

which was compelling to watch in the beginning. even though we were tearing our hair out in frustration. 'cause we thought if heer would just tell prem that she was balraj maan's daughter, then most of the agony would vanish.

but now? after everything they have gone through?

we have prem paralysed by the guilt that a stoopid act of his broke their entire bond. (btw, what really rocks my socks about this -- and pushes me further into melancholy -- is how both prem and heer are perfectly in tune with this being a really big-ly stoopid thing to have happened! they didn't even question each other on this; they were so much in sync.) and he is so paralysed that he is tentative about what he asks not just from heer on his ownership rights on heer, but also on his ownership rights on phukda. i can't -- just can't! -- stand prem being this slow to getting out of this rut!

and heer! heer has always been almost diabolically precise about knowing prem. she has always known exactly the right buttons to touch to make him do what she wanted. and that is true even post-tls. the scariest prem-heer interaction was the clinical precision of that night when she handed him that shirt and shattered his spirit. that was when i knew that heer was deliberately doing this -- and for heer's deliberate actions, there has to be a reason.

the reason i adored that moment when prem asked heer to step into the car even while thinking of him as a stranger (argh! and they had to dub hc's voice in that segment! arrrggh!) was that (a) it was an honest statement on prem's part and (b) in the face of the stark honesty of that statement, heer didn't have it in her to strike back at prem! omg. she, who has been so fierce in gaurding against him, couldn't deny him. and i fiercely loved that! 'cause it was not even boss prem then. just prem of prem-heer-are-one. and heer couldn't deny him! go prem. go. go. go! *fierce joy!*

Coming to HC as Prem Papa, I actually loved all his interactions with Chahat.

*sigh* for me? they were all ... love-able. just not very realistic (?) as an interaction between a father and his long-lost love-child. i dunno. i just can't describe it beyond this. the first time they met and he didn't know who she was? that moment was okay. but after that? um... hmm. just didn't ring true.

I guess I don't mind him crying that much, because he keeps on getting pushed away, again and again from the people he loves most in the world.

i mind this! i mind it fiercely! prem has never quite been a wuss before - and now? he is. and i don't like it. in fact, i dislike it deeply. *sulk* i don't want justice for prem. i want him to reach out and grab it and own it -- on his own steam! no more of these ''circumstantial advantageous situations'' where prem gets to win.

i want him to make his own! i am tired of wuss prem. i am. *deep unhappiness*

About Heer, honestly E, there is no big 'other reason' why she's keeping away from Prem.

y'know? honestly? i'm not sure that i care much? as i said earlier, heer had started this story with ''one huge misconception'' about prem -- and still loved him insanely enough to give herself up to jail. she still loved him insanely even when she tried to push him away and run off to muckmeet. part of heer's strength of conviction is being fed by prem's strength of conviction that he has done wrong by her. if he wasn't so convinced, then she would (i'm guessing here) give him a benefit of doubt. whenever she strikes at him on his perfidy, she wins 'cause he allows her to! damnit! i want him to stop! i want him to fight! i want him to fight her!

as to justifying ''her behaviour on phukda and prem with each other'': in either of my cases, i think she wouldn't do something that she is not fully convinced about, no?

case 1: she thinks that prem is a cheater. if he was truly a cheater, then i think she is right to say she needs to protect their phukda from him, no? i've seen cousellors advising that it's easier to explain to children why one parent doesn't live with them when they are ''old enough'' to grasp the concept of ''marriage and cheating''.
case 2: she knows down-down that prem is not a cheater. which -- being the smarter one of prem-heer-are-one, she should know, imho. 😆 -- needs a good reason for heer to keep phukda from him.

i'm totally dismissive of ''oh, heer should've told him''. the duffer ran away to can-atta! a single poor female who finds out she is pregnant or has just delivered a child cannot possibly have the resources to track which place in canatta he will have run to, i figure.

*seriously, i really need to know why the heck duffer prem ran off to can-atta promising never to return, when the last scene that we can remember pre-tls was prem standing in a railway station at ambala, holding heer's payal and swearing to wait for her to come back to him. and btw! even that bullpoop he said to her when he pulled her off the dance floor at yuvraj-soni's wedding -- i've been waiting for you to come to me. that was such a damned lie! he was sitting in frigging can-atta! had he left her a forwarding address at a place where he knew she would coming looking for him? is there some place in shiv-mandir where prem has left a letter hidden for heer telling her where he is ''being forced'' to go to away from her, to keep his stooopid mother happy? argh! i soooo badly want to know what happened between pre-tls and post-tls!*

Even if there is, then that does not justify her behaviour or her stance about Chahat on this. Telling the guards in her school not to let Chahat meet Prem?! That was simply below the belt.

what do you mean? it is consistent, no? if she does believe phukda shouldn't meet prem, then why do half measures? i didn't get why this particualar bit was not understandable..? 😕

The scene where she refused to talk to Chahat, while Chahat cried, and finally promised her that she wouldn't talk to Prem was a bit

ya. here i agree with you -- that was a little hard to take. but i thought that was 'cause she really couldn't speak. 'cause she was hurting badly inside herself with pain, 'cause she has to keep them apart -- even when she herself really doesn't want to.

'cause at the end of the day, one thing that i cannot forget is that heer called phukda chahat! and she wouldn't have done that unless she believed in prem.

Oh, btw, I'm pretty sure that Heer doesn't have another reason for keeping away from Prem, because of her thoughts and actions in the past few episodes.

well, is possible. i guess we have to w&w to see what the final story is? 😕

I want to ask you, E, if Heer does not have another reason for staying away from Prem other than that Ashlesha thing, how would you justify her actions now?

that she truly doesn't want her phukda to be confused or hurt by the reason why prem-heer don't live together? i'm really confused -- why is that not the natural thing to think? we know that both prem and heer think of it as a heinous crime, one that (apparently) requires lots of eating crow by prem (which he accepts given the duffer way he is behaving with heer and pussy-footing around her!) and maybe not even then?

i think the really sad part of this case would be if heer would ''forgive prem'' only after finding out that the heinous crime hadn't happened in the first place. she would certainly lose the moral upper hand she has over prem if this were to happen.

remember that night in the log cabin when prem haltingly told heer that he knows she was not what gaali-maa had accused her of? that she was not to be blamed, but he had still asked her to leave anyway? and she said that she understood him perfectly and didn't hold him responsible? remember the look prem gave heer? and what he told her then? ''don't be so good heer, that i will need to feel even more ashamed of what i did?'' well, i think that's what prem considers heer just now -- someone with moral perfection. if she were to be rigid about his apparent crime, then finally (if they did come to know that nothing had happened) heer would've made a mistake that prem could consider himself to be at the same level as her?

*reading back on this, i figured out that i was wrong about something -- prem and heer still have both my brain and my heart, don't they? 😆*

I've gotten into the habit of actually fast forwarding all Geet and Gayatri scenes.

😆 hey! gi-it is not that bad. but yes. it's astonishing how such a beloved sweet mother figure can make me feel as nauseous as dirtchachi used to make me feel before in the show. 🤢

Either way, it seems that the story is headed for yet another mandap drama,

🤢 how very ... old. and so unlike what this story has been so far. man, i hate seeing prem-heer's story as some sort of rehash of other movies, don't you? i mean that whole ''papa'' speech was terrible. and now, if what you are saying is true, then going forward we are going to get a rehash of prem-heer's story itself!!??! argh! i hope that's not true! i hope we get something spectacularly different!

please, creatives -- please do something spectacular. please make all this pain of watching the tls worth the darned while. please, please, please!

y'know what i want actually? i want heer to die. and i don't know what prem will do if she does -- 'cause he will have the phukda to think about. but i want heer to die and stop suffering -- 'cause she has had so few days of real smiles on this show. 🤔

I think they took a 6-year-leap because they had dug themselves in a hole too deep to get out of before the leap, and they thought THIS was a good solution.

idiots kahin ka... there were so many things to try before this stooooopid tls!

me? i thought they did this tls 'cause they were bored of being stuck in the ramayana, and thought they could do bigger, better things in the mahabharat. like have a krishna-like phukda?

oh well. let's see, i guess. i'd have loved to have w&w. but life has a strange way of interfering, i find.

btw! d'you know what you're gonna be doing -- post your exams and all? wasn't that to start the next phase of education (or s'thing)? 😆 are you doing fun (if not phun! 😆) stuff??

'kay -- show time. see you later. 🤗

Originally posted by: purvimeh

Hiopw ur feeling better estee...... I have so much t say here now.........
Will be back........

😆 hey purvi. yup, i'm better - perfect in phact. but that's according to me. now if only the rest of my world would agree. *sigh*

will wait for you to get back...

Originally posted by: shabo24

*mouth drops open in shock*

*comes running*

*fall on dirt*

*gets up and dusts herself off*

ESTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! 🤗
shabz!!!!! *hugging dusty shabz enthusiastically back, not at all worried that mother will come shouting to quickly get clean, 'cause ... well, mother's not home! yippeeee!!*

But see we survived! Of course, this thread is going to be flooded, but we survived! :D Hope you are feeling better.

😆 ya, you survived. proud of you. 😆 me is better. much 'specially now that i've met you. 🤗

What irks me the most about this show now, is that it's not about an eternal love story anymore. And that's why I loved this show so much. Since the leap, I've gone like a week without even remembering to watch the show. It's not the same show for me.

😔 *sigh* ya, i know what you mean. how can eternal lovers end up in a spot like prem and heer have -- and remain there for six years??!

Horrible camera shots and don't even get me started on the dubbing. *pulls hair out* The direction of the show - I think its just all the actors and actress's on screen that is saving this show, because if there is work and proper passion for the show off the acting, than I don't see it.

*more sighs* tell me about it. never mind that the story looks like shots of light that come up every once in a while in the dark. i completely agree with you on the sense that the direction in the show is happening at arm's length. i guess there must be direction -- but is sooo very different from what we got to sense when the show was at this time last year, no? at least, it feels like that to a novice like me.

I don't feel bad for AG and HC as much as I do for the late Mr.Gary Bhinder. This is the show he is going to be remembered by. You think they would at least try and keep it to the original concept of an eternal love story.

it's kinda twisted, no? i think there is eternal love here -- i still think prem-heer-are-one -- except that it's getting distorted at the cost of keeping the show going on without too much innovation or imagination? i really don't understand why this story is on this track, having left so many things in the past loose and untidy.

at this point, being hopelessly hopeless would mean i'd have to believe that everything is going to be tied up neatly before we are done with this show, no? should i believe? 😕

I'm sick of Heer repeating the same lines over and over again and I'm sick of Prem moping. Where is that Prem that wouldn't take no for an answer, that threatens the world if they lay an eye on Heer? Where is that Heer that loved Prem so unconditionally, she pushed their love to defy death? SIGH.

omg! shabz! why do you always say perfectly in a few lines what i take paragraphs to try to say -- and don't manage to??! 'cause the only way that i can justify heer going on like a broken record is that she is saying it like a mantra to remind herself what she is supposed to be doing. and prem? prem is taking forever to shake off the responsibility of having ''sinned''. yo, guys! it's the past! get over it! move along now!

if you want to blow your life -- take a bottle of water, a fistful of aspirin and swallow it standing at the edge of a cliff. it's cleaner and quicker .... and less stressful on my heart than watching you two bleed your hearts and your lives inch-by-little-inch on my screen every week!

*sigh* that's a little harsh isn't it? sorry...

All we can do is w&w. And Gayatri is insane. I thought we established that fact a long time ago. Though, I loved seeing her smiling with Chahat on the screen. Almost she was back for a bit.

maybe i'm the unforgiving sort -- i just couldn't forget what she thinks about heer. or how careless she is of prem's heart and happiness. me? i feared when she smiled...